Talk:Carp

Human introudction of Carp

Hello, while living in Utah, USA I came upon a lake at a bird sanctuary. This lake was swarming with carp. It turns out the early Mormon settlers brought carp with them to use as a food source. It turns out the settlers found the carp to not very pallable. Something like this may be noteworth....

Help requested. I am writing about a fish locally known as "Aspen", translated to "rapacious carp". Anyone knows what thiseferences, otherwise it seems more like speculation than actual fact.

An expansion of the Carp's place in Chinese mythology and legend would be nice. -Toptomcat 22:19, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Possible POV issue

"The movement and introduction of carp for frivolous reasons such as sport fishing should not be tolerated."

My emphasis added. Does this constitute a breach of NPOV? Sounds like the imperative is a bias, but I'm not exactly sure. --Agharo 03:40, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Sounds POV to me. If anything like that pops up again, probably better to speedily delete it. Words like 'should' or 'must' don't belong in an encyclopedia. --lk (talk) 03:21, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Carp Longevity?

In Robert A. Heinlein's book Methuselah's Children, carp are said to have unusually long lifespans, usually dying of unnatural causes and not succumbing to 'old age'. The book deals with human longevity and one researcher onboard a generation ship remarks "...carp don't seem to die. They get killed, or eaten, or starve to death, or succumb to infection, but so far as we know they don't die." Does anyone know whether there is any foundation for this statement, or if it's just fiction? It would be interesting to read about. Phasmatisnox 16:40, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, the common carp article says that the oldest recorded carp was at least 65 years old. If that's true (I don't know which source in that article to check), it's no wonder that researcher never saw one die of old age. Jefepato (talk) 03:43, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Heinlein was particularly careful with "hard science" facts, such as orbital periods, astronomical distances, and spaceship velocities. (This can be seen from the calculations in his manuscripts, which are in UCSC Special Collections.) The marginal notes -- as I recall -- rarely included biology, or much generally, philosophical discussion. (Or references, citations, etc.) Heinlein wrote to a popular audience, with entertainment in mind. But he would most likely have taken his information from common 1940s references -- more limited than today's Internet. An article or two published in "Popular Science" would be the place to start.

Alpha Ralpha Boulevard (talk) 07:10, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

The notion found it's way into Huxley's After Many A Summer Dies the Swan where an early 19th C. British nobleman forms the notion that the longevity of carp might be transferred to a himan through eating them- particularly the uncooked innards. He is eventually found in an underground lair, seemingly centuries old, but degraded to the condition of an ape: but one who is wearing the Order of the Garter and hums a tune resembling Mozart.74.70.152.28 (talk) 23:34, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Merge to Common Carp article

There's a similar article Common carp that doesn't link to this article. And this article doesn't link to Common carp. What's the relationship between the two? Should they be merged? Or should Common Carp be considered a daughter article to this one? --lk (talk) 03:21, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

The two articles should definitely be merged. Rlboyce (talk) 20:54, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Oppose. "Carp" refer to numerous larger species of the family Cyprinidae, while Common Carp is a single species (among many many carps). (Melanochromis)

Perhaps I need to elaborate in order to make my stance properly understood. It makes sense to argue that the terms "carp" and "common carp" are entirely different, and that "carp" should never be synonymous with "common carp". While common carp may be, more often than not, referred to as carp, Wikipedia should encourage the use of the correct name. As for the two articles, they refer to the same species, thus it is logical that they should be merged in the page "Common Carp" so that there are not two separate pages for the same fish. As for the "Carp" page, perhaps it should be a redirect to the Cyprinidae family. I wouldn't mind being the one to make all the changes, but I would have to have your approval before doing so.Rlboyce (talk) 01:03, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

I see your point. But I still believe that for most people "Carp" does not equate "Cyprinidae" either, as most people would not call the smaller cyprinid species carps. So the merge of the two articles would be against commom sense (of common people, of course). The other suggestion, the merge of "Carp" to "Common Carp" (Cyprinus carpio) is even less logical, as there are many other carps that are not Common Carp, although they can be quite "common" in many areas. --Melanochromis (talk) 04:54, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

I feel somewhat retarded now as it appears I have been disputing a situation that was nonexistent. I was under the impression that this article was specifically about the Cyprinus carpio as it had a picture of this species as the main picture, sharing with the Common carp article. I suppose that I read the first entry of this discussion topic, and was mislead in believing that the articles were similar. I hope this admission of fault places me in your prestigious "common people" category :) . Perhaps I should just keep my fingers away from the keyboard from now on. Happy internet travels 207.255.205.167 (talk) 20:45, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

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As_sport_fish section

This section is getting very promotional and uses WP:SPS to establish the notability of the material. I am going to tag that section, it needs better sources. Ward20 (talk) 22:06, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

what species

" Several species of carp are listed as invasive species by the U.S. Department of Agriculture," does anyone know what species. we have cought several carp here and just through them back some pics would be nice or a web URL.urName (talk) 17:02, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

oilyness of carp and other problems

It is common shorthand to use the term "carp" to mean common carp. It is the only carp (using the term in the sense that most people have - a large body cyprinid from Europe or Asia) we have had in this country until the invasion of bighead, silver, grass and black carps, and in most of the country it is still the only carp we have. The reference refers to common carp only, not to all carps. Common carp us usually classified as an oily fish, but the other carps are not. Therefore, the first statement in this document is incorrect as referring to all carps. Silver carp whole body lipid counts are usually less than 7%, and in US waters are usually less than 4%, exceedingly low numbers for freshwater fish. So I removed the "oily" reference in the first sentence. But I agree that this file needs to be merged with the common carp file, or possibly the Asian carp file, or some of both. This whole article is very confused and mixed up regarding these different species.

Regarding what species of carp are invasive (above question) all carps are invasive in the United States. In most other countries they are not considered invasive because they are considered sport and food fish, or they are native. Everything is native somewhere. In some places where carps have been introduced, some people consider them obnoxious invaders and others consider them food. Depends on your perspective I guess. ~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carptracker (talk • contribs) 22:17, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

This article is wrong about goldfish originating in Japan

Koi originated in japan not goldfish, goldfish were introduced to japan from china not the other way around, the wikipedia article on goldfish has links on sources for this. This article does not cite sources for goldfish originating in Japan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.60.220.22 (talk) 23:34, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Eaten live??

In the Mud Carp section of this page: "it is mostly sold and eaten live," What??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.62.98.47 (talk) 20:25, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Possibly means "sold alive to be eaten."173.72.111.87 (talk) 20:43, 4 September 2013 (UTC)DieterKarpfen

Human blob fish???

What does that have to do with the carp? Isn't it in an entirely different family? --104.246.16.241 (talk) 00:09, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

You might want to ask blocked ip 35.46.8.148 why it inserted that inanity in there in the first place.--Mr Fink (talk) 02:18, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

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Other wikis

I was looking at this article and noticed that it has very few links to other Wikipedias. By going to the German site "Karpfen," I found out that there is a large universe of links to Common Carp. Yet I never would have discovered this from this "Carp" article. Can this somehow by changed? Kdammers (talk) 03:35, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Partial sentence

Sorry, I can't figure out what this is trying to say...

"selected carp for fast growth and tolerance to cold, the Ropsha carp. " Quebec99 (talk) 22:49, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

Missing Source

Hello! I was reading this article and saw a missing source:

"Some consider all cyprinid fishes carp, and the family Cyprinidae itself is often known as the carp family."

I had a quick google, and couldn't really find anything to confirm this? I think it should probably be deleted if it can't be confirmed. Thanks! Aflunters (talk) 11:53, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

the carp wikipedia page is becoming a meme on twitter

The carp wikipedia page is becoming a meme on twitter and I think we should add that as a section on the page. Also people want the carp to be called sexy instead of oily. Sir2020 (talk) 02:49, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

This is an article about carp, not an article about our article about carp. And the page is now semi-protected, which should hold off the vandalism until this blows over. Novusuna ^talk 02:57, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

this carp twitter meme trend makes no sense we had other trends in the past and they were never added to wikipedia so why do it to this page you 5 year old memeposters? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.73.220.167 (talk) 03:31, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

You would be better off adding mention of the meme to Know Your Meme instead of here. Shuvuuia (talk) 06:51, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Good Article

I heartily approve! Carp terrorism (talk) 07:59, 19 December 2020 (UTC)