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In the Personal Life section it says "Lauda has two sons and one daughter with his first wife, Marlene... [and] a son, Christoph, through an extra-marital relationship. In September 2009 Birgit gave birth to twins, a boy and a girl." That makes a total of 6 children. Yet the little "Bio Box" that comes up to the right with the search results in Google only mentions one daughter. Do we have any references for his kids? ~ Brother William (talk) 19:01, 3 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm fairly certain he did not have a daughter with Marlene. If that's not sourced, take it out. ColinClark (talk) 21:56, 3 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Fixed. Thanks. DH85868993 (talk) 23:15, 15 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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@SSSB: "Niki" is a very obvious shortening of "Nikolaus", even for English speakers. We don't list nicknames if they're common hypercorisms, and that's exactly what MOS:HYPOCORISM states. Opencooper (talk) 17:41, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Opencooper: MOS:HYPOCORISM actually says If a person has a common^[a] English-language hypocorism... The key word here is English. The name Nikolaus is German and therefore any shorting of it is also German the problem with this is explained in the occupying note, the note also links to a list of common hypocorsims and Niki for Nikolaus isn't listed. Although I agree it is relatively obvious MOS:HYPOCORISM states that we must specify the abbreviation of it is non English. SSSB (talk) 18:30, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@SSSB: It's super obvious even for English speakers though (and that list is for English hypocorisms, so of course it wouldn't be there). Do you really think our English readers are such morons that they can't figure out that "Niki" is short for "Nikolaus"? Let's not patronize readers with redundant information. The point about other languages is when the shortening isn't clear, such as "Lupita for Guadalupe ". Opencooper (talk) 18:35, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Opencooper:, firstly the page links common hypocorsims for German as well though the link in MOS:HYPOCORISM takes you to the English part. Besides it's not about what you consider obvious. I don't speak a work of Russian, this is the first time I've seen Mischa for Mikhail but looking at it it's obvious. MOS:HYPOCORISM was written so this kind or argument wouldn't happen. This is a non English abbreviation and so the said abbreviation should be specified in line with MOS:HYPOCORISM. SSSB (talk) 18:43, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@SSSB: That page clearly can't be exhaustive, and in this case it's obvious enough to not need another page to reference. No one is going to be shocked if you tell them "Niki" is short for "Nikolaus". Also, I'm talking about adhering to the MoS while you keep pointing to some non-MoS page. Opencooper (talk) 18:55, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Opencooper: No I'm linking to MOS and the pages that section of MOS links to. I don't think anyone would be surprised if you told them Mischa is short for Mikhail, yet MOS explicitly gives that as an example in the footnote of the direct quote I gave you above. SSSB (talk) 19:00, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@SSSB: We don't need to slavishly follow the MoS in all aspects; it's only a guideline. In this article's case, the "Niki" in quotes is redundant. Opencooper (talk) 19:27, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Opencooper: whatever, I don't have the energy to argue this and it's not the biggest deal. SSSB (talk) 19:37, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I'll be removing the hypocorism then. Opencooper (talk) 19:45, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with SSSB and so have reverted the removal of the subject's common name "Niki". Andrew D. (talk) 17:51, 25 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Andrew Davidson: You'll have to be more specific. Stating "per [user]" doesn't convey any new information. What's your justification for including an obvious hypocorism in the lead? Opencooper (talk) 21:54, 25 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on the MOS and such, but since Nikolaus isn't his first name anyway, wouldn't something like "Andreas Nikolaus Lauda (22 February 1949 – 20 May 2019), better known as Niki Lauda, ..." be better? A7V2 (talk) 07:51, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Notes

^ As a guide to what is a "common" hypocorism, consider consulting the Hypocorism § English subsections "Shortening, often to the first syllable" and "Addition of a diminutive suffix ..."; consider treating names listed in the "A short form that differs significantly from the name" subsection as non-hypocoristic nicknames, depending on the particular case. A few short forms that differ significantly from the name are well known common hypocorisms, such as "Bob" for "Robert", but most are not. Assume that most non-English hypocorisms (e.g. Lupita for Guadalupe and Mischa for Mikhail) are not familiar to readers of this English Wikipedia, even if well-known in their native culture.

Buried in Ferrari Racing Suit

I think we have to say that...--31.198.75.25 (talk) 10:17, 2 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the first problem is that this is unsourced.
SSSB (talk) 10:21, 2 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have two sources that I consider fairly credible right here and here but since I acknowledge the relative importance of the acticle I didn't want to include it in the article without a second opinion reagarding the credibility of the sources and the importance of the information itself. In fact Googling Niki Lauda ferrarri race suit burial multiple sources tun up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sausius (talk • contribs) 00:26, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Sausius: couple of things. Firstly the Daily star is considered unrelaible and should therefore never be used on Wikipedia. I am not sure about the reliability of Drivetribe. Secondly, I personally don't consider this fact sufficently notable for inclusion but I am happy to discuss this issue if you believe it is.
SSSB (talk) 13:14, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, I wasn't sure either if the DailyStar was relaiable or not ( I am from germany and thus I don't really know what britisch/american newspapers/websites are reliable, only the very basics like that "the Sun" is a nasty tabloid and suff like that) but since their were multiple independent sources, the two I listed were just examples, it is in all likelyhood true. Secondly if I were confident about ist's notability I wouldn't have asked for a second opinion on it. Personally I don't think I would include it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sausius (talk • contribs) 17:07, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

[CommHypo-1] As a guide to what is a "common" hypocorism, consider consulting the Hypocorism § English subsections "Shortening, often to the first syllable" and "Addition of a diminutive suffix ..."; consider treating names listed in the "A short form that differs significantly from the name" subsection as non-hypocoristic nicknames, depending on the particular case. A few short forms that differ significantly from the name are well known common hypocorisms, such as "Bob" for "Robert", but most are not. Assume that most non-English hypocorisms (e.g. Lupita for Guadalupe and Mischa for Mikhail) are not familiar to readers of this English Wikipedia, even if well-known in their native culture.

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