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October 29

Struggling to create an article; am I shadow-locked or something?

Hi,

I'm trying to create a page on the Russian editor Lyudmila Feyginova—-she edited many of Tarkovski's films and seems to have contributed heavily to the look and feel of his movies in the editing process—-but I can't even see options to create a page, or even for the sandbox to experiment... am I just looking in all the wrong places, or has some sort of lock been placed on my account limiting what I can do? Thanks. Titanc13 (talk) 01:09, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

A Wizard is available to walk you through these steps. See the Article Wizard.

Thank you.

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines with which all articles should comply. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article. You might also look at Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. An Article Wizard is also available to walk you through creating an article. 2601AC47 (talk) 01:12, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Also, you were not "locked" or blocked. 2601AC47 (talk) 01:14, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

@Titanc13 She exists in Wikidata, which shows that there is an article about her in French. It wouldn't pass muster here if translated directly, since it doesn't establish her wikinotability by our English-language standards but it may be useful. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:02, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Article citing the same website for the whole article

si:මහමෙව්නාව භාවනා අසපුව article is about a monastery. Every citation in the whole article is from the monastary's website. Sometimes with the link to the homepage, not to the relavent part the information contains to be verified. Its an article in the sinhala wiki project but brought it here to get an unbiased opinion since this is a religious institute. What tags should i add to the article? primary sources? need more citations? VihirLak007^hmu!/_duh. 05:57, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

You'd have to ask over at the Sinhala Wikipedia. Each language project is independent, and has its own rules. AndyTheGrump (talk) 06:02, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

For change of name to Anangpal Tanwar from Anangpal Tomar

Not an issue for Help desk. Referred elsewhere.

IT is Anangpal Tanwar not Anangpal Tomar change it for page :

extremely long link not on en.wp

https://hi.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%85%E0%A4%A8%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%97%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B2_%E0%A4%A4%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%B0#:~:text=%E0%A4%85%E0%A4%A8%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%97%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B2%20%E0%A4%A4%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%B0%20%E0%A4%A8%E0%A5%87%201052%20%E0%A4%AE%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%82,%E0%A4%95%E0%A5%87%20%E0%A4%AC%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%87%20%E0%A4%AE%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%82%20%E0%A4%AC%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%BE%20%E0%A4%B9%E0%A5%88%3A%E0%A5%A4&text=%E0%A4%A2%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%B2%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B2%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%96%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE%20%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%80%20%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%A4%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%20%E0%A4%A4%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%88%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%BF%20%E0%A4%A8%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%BE%20%E0%A5%A5&text=%E0%A4%85%E0%A4%A8%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%A6%3A%E0%A4%B9%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%A3%E0%A4%BE%20%E0%A4%A8%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%95%20%E0%A4%A6%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%B6%20%E0%A4%AE%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%82,%E0%A4%A8%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%95%20%E0%A4%A8%E0%A4%97%E0%A4%B0%20%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BE%20%E0%A4%A8%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%A3%20%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE%E0%A5%A4%20%E0%A5%A4

103.120.30.202 (talk) 09:36, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

We cannot help you with issues on the Hindi Wikipedia, you'll need to ask there. 331dot (talk) 09:47, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

How do I find categories easily?

How? Who am I? / Talk to me! / What have I done? 12:46, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

What categories were you trying to search for? 2601AC47 (talk) 12:48, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Not like that. In general, for a page, how do I find fitting categories? Who am I? / Talk to me! / What have I done? 12:51, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia has hundreds of thousands of categories. Wikipedia:Categorization#Categorizing pages has some tips on how to find suitable categories for an article. For example, find similar articles and see which categories they are in. 2601AC47 (talk) 12:58, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! Who am I? / Talk to me! / What have I done? 13:00, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

I really can't say enough about how much easier this is if you use WP:HOTCAT. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 18:22, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Another approach is to start from a higher, encompassing category, see what subcategories it holds, and work your way down. Clarityfiend (talk) 10:00, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Saudi Exchange

Reference help requested. Hi

I received the below asking for a title parameter after I pulled a statistic from the official website in order to move figures from 2020 up to something more current, 2024, from the introductory paragraph. I don't intend anything incorrect but it seems I might have mis-cited my source (https://www.saudiexchange.sa/wps/portal/saudiexchange/home/!ut/p/z0/04_Sj9CPykssy0xPLMnMz0vMAfIjo8ziTR3NDIw8LAz83Z29TAwC_Rx9DSxdLY0MDAz1C7IdFQHxxULx/ -- specifically a photo on the bottom right.), if I have not done this appropriately any assistance or guidance would be appreciated.

Gregory

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Exchange

CS1 error on Saudi Exchange

Hello, I'm Qwerfjkl (bot). I have automatically detected that this edit performed by you, on the page Saudi Exchange, may have introduced referencing errors. They are as follows:

A bare URL error. References show this error when one of the URL-containing parameters cannot be paired with an associated title. Please edit the article to add the appropriate title parameter to the reference. Thanks, PilotsGlobal (talk) 15:37, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

PilotsGlobal, the bot complained because you cited it saying "title= ", without supplying a title. A more serious failing, not noticed by the bot, is that the source you cited does not support the statement that you cited it for, "It lists 239 publicly traded companies on the main market". Maproom (talk) 15:50, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Donations

I have been donating to Wikipedia for more than a year now. For some reason I can't find any link to my donations or my account. Please advise. Bkesp526 (talk) 16:06, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Welcome and thank you for your question about donations! To hide the fundraising banners, you can create an account and uncheck Preferences → Banners → Fundraising. The Wikimedia Foundation does not track the identity of IP addresses, so it doesn't know your age, income level or whether you donated in the past.
None of the Wikipedia volunteer editors here who add and improve content in articles receive any financial benefit. We all simply contribute our time because we care about building a great encyclopedia for you and innumerable others around the world to use.
If you cannot afford it, no one wants you to donate. Wikipedia is not at risk of shutting down, and the Wikimedia Foundation, which hosts the Wikipedia platform and is asking for these donations, is richer than ever.
You are welcome to communicate directly with the donor-relations team by emailing donate@wikimedia.org. Thank you! Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 18:20, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Bkesp526, please be aware that no link exists between your Wikipedia account used for editing, and any financial donations you choose to make to the Wikimedia Foundation. They are entirely separate. Cullen328 (talk) 19:00, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much for letting me know. 2600:1700:9B80:12D0:3F61:824C:E148:4213 (talk) 19:02, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Feedback sought on separating U.S. sections from lengthy articles/lists

WP articles often cover broad topics from a worldwide perspective, devoting separate sections to all possible countries where notable entries can be included. While I support this approach, in many cases, the U.S. sections dominate the coverage and are substantial enough to warrant separate pages, for example, when they account for 50% or more of a lengthy article.

A few questions: Is there a guideline regarding "separation" based on length or similar consideration? What is recommended for seeking input from editors who have made significant contributions to the articles/lists in question? What is the procedure should a clear consensus favor creating a standalone page from a U.S. section?

I know how to make the move, add a new name, set up the link within the existing article, and so forth. My concerns are in regards to editorial standards, community support, and usage (prirmarily navigability). Allreet (talk) 19:10, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Allreet. You should find the information that you need at Wikipedia:Splitting. Cullen328 (talk) 19:48, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Perfect. Thank you. I'm going to invite discussion on Talk pages where I have splitting in mind. The articles are not high profile, so I expect only minimal feedback and don't anticipate any significant opposition. Allreet (talk) 22:45, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

@Alreet: it might be worth posting a neutrally worded notice at relevant Wikiprojects pointing to said talk page discussions. Mjroots (talk) 15:48, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

New article link

Hi, I recently created an article for Delainey Hayles, but accidentally redirected my sandbox to that page in the process. Could someone help me to clean up the link? Elinoria (talk) 22:42, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Request help in unlinking a redirect from my sandbox to a new article.

I’ve just created a new article, Delainey Hayles, and with that, my sandbox, where I created the article, now redirects to it. Thus … any changes I now make to my sandbox now affect the article, and the edit history for the article now includes my entire edit history, including edits on other articles. Can anyone offer any advice? Many thanks. Elinoria (talk) 00:24, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

You can remove the redirect by going to [1]. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 00:41, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi, I can access that page, but I don’t know what to do to cancel the redirect. Do you know how that can be done? Elinoria (talk) 00:58, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Just edit the page so that it no longer includes "#REDIRECT...". (Indeed, simply deleting this would be sufficient.) -- Hoary (talk) 01:00, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

A very quick look suggests that versions down to and including this one are irrelevant to Delainey Hayles. These can be deleted (with the rationale "uncontroversial housekeeping") if you wish (though this isn't something that you can do yourself). Would you like it done? If so, please confirm which versions should be deleted. -- Hoary (talk) 01:06, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Anything older than 25th October has nothing to do with Delainey Hayes, and is the history of my sandbox.

It would be great if you can delete that.

Also … because I started this article in my sandbox, I had no idea that all the edits from the beginning would appear on the live article. It’s full of notes-to-self etc, and a bit of a mess.

So … if you have the means to delete the history up until the article went live, (22.32 GMT) I would be really grateful.

Thanks for your help regardless. Elinoria (talk) 02:53, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Done, Elinoria. Believing that "Anything older than 25th October" was a mistake for "Anything older than 28th October", I deleted the edits of 25 October as well. -- Hoary (talk) 03:31, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, I appreciate it. Elinoria (talk) 03:54, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

October 30

Clarification on QML Terminology

Hi Wikipedia Team, I hope this message finds you well. The terminology used for QML in the documentation. QML is often referred to as "Qt Meta-object Language" rather than "Qt Modeling Language," as it utilizes the Meta Object Compiler (MOC) for object handling and GUI development. This distinction is important for accurately representing its functionality and role within the Qt framework. I believe updating the terminology to reflect this would provide greater clarity for users and developers referencing the documentation. 180.151.40.106 (talk) 04:57, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

The best place for pointing this out would be Talk:QML. -- Hoary (talk) 07:16, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Do “anonymous experts” in non-political news affect credibility?

As a user without much editing experience, I have some questions about some of the media reports I usually read. I believe users here have a lot of experience in distinguishing the credibility of sources, so I'm writing here and asking for guidance. I personally find it difficult to tell whether the words of these anonymous experts are credible. Relatively speaking, it is very common and understandable for experts in political news, or insiders, to choose anonymity, because doing so may cause them a lot of trouble. But in contrast to these contents, in some social, climate, and economic reports, experts who express their views or opinions are also unsigned.

From my daily reading experience, in social news, for example, 1 mentioned that "some experts said"; 2, gave an "expert's" nickname on twitter, which is also equivalent to anonymous; 3 only mentions "experts who specialize in urban flooding" without mentioning names. In other stories, unnamed experts are used to presuppose the discussion, such as an article on human health, 4 which mentions "Every few months the same comment ismade by experts 'BMI is flawed'. "

I would also like to ask you how to judge whether the information is worth quoting or not when encountering such a situation. Thanks a lot.--HelenAtkinson2002 (talk) 07:18, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Generally speaking, don't use 'social news' sources at all. Reliable news sources can be useful in certain circumstances, but they should always have a byline saying who wrote the article, an editorial process etc. But for subjects where they need to refer to 'experts', don't use a news source - go to proper academic sources. Girth Summit _(blether) 07:25, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Girth Summit,Thank you very much for your answer, which made me realize the importance of academic sources. Maybe I should really try to be more academic and avoid these seemingly unreliable social sources as soon as possible.--HelenAtkinson2002 (talk) 01:52, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

HelenAtkinson2002, your last example is from medicalnewstoday.com and is about a medical issue. Very rightly, en:Wikipedia has particularly high standards for the sourcing of medical material. Please read and digest Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources (medicine). A search in WP:RSN for "medical news today" brought this three-year-old discussion, which didn't really have a conclusion but seems to me to tending towards "Not good enough for some purposes; probably good enough for others". If you were thinking of citing the website somewhere, you'd be wise to ask at WP:RSN about the wisdom of doing so, specifying the precise page within medicalnewstoday.com you wanted to cite, the en:Wikipedia article in which you were thinking of citing it, and the assertion(s) for which you were thinking of citing it. -- Hoary (talk) 07:52, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Hoary, Thank you for reminding me of this page. I never noticed it before. Maybe I should pay more attention to these discussions when I edit articles in the future. I also feel that my personal knowledge, or as a general user, is not qualified to determine the reliability of this medical information. I will be more careful in future editing. Thank you again for your help!--HelenAtkinson2002 (talk) 01:56, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

HelenAtkinson2002, the three examples that you chose seem to be in Chinese not English. It is certainly true that references to reliable Chinese language sources are permitted if English language sources are lacking, but it is also true that the vast majority of English language Wikipedia editors will lack the ability to evaluate the reliability and appropriateness of such sources, even with the assistance of machine translation. And as already pointed out above, medically related content requires especially rigorous evaluation of the cited sources. So, you must make a very convincing case that your references are solid, which is not an easy task in a case like this. Cullen328 (talk) 08:12, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Cullen328, Thank you very much for your reminder! Unfortunately, my English level is not very good, so I mainly read Chinese sources on a daily basis, and even the entries I edit are subject to this limitation. Maybe I should improve my English level as soon as possible. But I would like to ask you again, how should "a very convincing case" be provided? Thanks a lot.--HelenAtkinson2002 (talk) 02:01, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

HelenAtkinson2002, if you cite a source on the English Wikipedia and another editor challenges it, then you must be prepared to convince other editors that it fully complies with the Reliable sources content guideline. If your English is not good, you may want to consider editing in the Wikipedia version of the language you speak best. Cullen328 (talk) 04:02, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Please consider editing the Chinese Wikipedia. Cullen328 (talk) 04:10, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your advice very much, I took a look at the link you mentioned just now, and some of the media ratings there seem to be somewhat different from what I understand. May I should probably look a little deeper into the reliable sources you mention. As for the Chinese Wikipedia you mentioned...They are arguing all the time...It's noisy just looking at it. Well, thanks a lot again, I will try my best to study how to write good English articles! HelenAtkinson2002 (talk) 11:18, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

HelenAtkinson2002, because English sources are always preferred when they are of equal quality to foreign sources, and because medical topics have a particularly strict threshold for reliability of sources, why not consider non-medical topics for which no English sources exist, or only ones of a quality inferior to Chinese sources on the same topic? If you write about lesser known events in Chinese history, geology, culture, paleontology, language, ethnology, or any other topic that is not well covered in English sources, then you can use Chinese sources to develop your articles. Mathglot (talk) 04:22, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Choosing a language

Hello, I have tried to find a way to choose a language on the start page, i.e. before I have made a search, but I don't seem to find it. Up till now I have had to make a search in my starting language for a topic that's likely to exist in the desired language and then switch that article to that language, whereupon I can search in the langauge I wanted to search in from the beginning. That's a very roundabout way, and I reckon there must be an easier way that I am missing? Leongut (talk) 10:04, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Leongut. Each language version of Wikipedia is a separate and largely autonomous project, although there are interlanguage links in some cases. The English Wikipedia is not the boss version or the master version. If you want French articles, search the French Wikipedia and if you want German articles, search the German Wikipedia. And so on. Cullen328 (talk) 10:16, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Leongut, since Wikidata has an item for each article on every language Wikipedia, you might try searching there first. From what I gather about your current methodology, Wikidata seems to have a dedicated function to do the same: search for pages on specific projects at d:Special:ItemByTitle. Folly Mox (talk) 12:13, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

There's a pretty navigable list of all the Wikipediae in the Wikimedia ecosystem at meta:Wikimedia core free-knowledge projects, if you want to start there instead of here or Wikidata. Folly Mox (talk) 12:18, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

@Leongut: You didn't say what you mean by "the start page". Please link pages you refer to. The language code for English is en so the English Wikipedia is at https://en.wikipedia.org. Our Main Page at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page and all other pages at the English Wikipedia have a search box which searches the English Wikipedia. The language code for Swedish is sv so the Swedish Wikipedia is at https://sv.wikipedia.org, and so on. https://www.wikipedia.org is the front of all Wikipedia languages. It has a language selector in the search box. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:28, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Is OP maybe meaning 'switch in chrome/whatever'? Valereee (talk) 13:40, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

I guess "switch that article to that language" means they click an interlanguage link on a Wikipedia article in the language they started at. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:59, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Oh, so 'switch to the article in that language'? Gotcha. Valereee (talk) 14:12, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

@Leongut: Perhaps you meant to go to this page that has a dropdown menu (Read Wikipedia in your language) that lets you see all the different language projects on Wikipedia, as PrimeHunter pointed out? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:42, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Wow, Cebuano Wikipedia, who knew? Valereee (talk) 15:01, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Cebuano Wikipedia is the kingdom of bot-translated articles, Valereee. Cullen328 (talk) 17:29, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Question

I have a translation ongoing from Simple English --> English. The simple english page has no references what so ever. I have hence requested speedy deletion for now. Is this required if I am only translating the page? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Cooldudeseven7 _{join in on the tea talk} 14:02, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

@Cooldudeseven7:, Wikipedia policies such as Wikipedia:Notability do apply to translated articles. If the article is Golden Edge, you could make it a Wikipedia:Redirect to TelevisaUnivision#Cable. TSventon (talk) 14:35, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

So, why doesn't the simple english wikipedia XfD it?

Another problem- One entire part of the article, Universalplus, has no reference. (a majority) But it still has a reference. Can I just place the "Unreferenced Section" tag? Instead of deleting the Golden Edge page why dont I just place the tag? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Cooldudeseven7 _{join in on the tea talk} 14:47, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Why doesn't the simple english wikipedia XfD it? The answer could be that no one has noticed it, or that simple english policies are different.

You can tag Golden Edge as unreferenced, but it would still be unreferenced and a new page patroller or another editor might nominate it for deletion. TSventon (talk) 15:37, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Every language version of Wikipedia is a separate project, with its own policies, procedures, and admins - this is as true of Simple as it is of Arabic.

Few people here are familiar with the policies of any other given Wikipedia, even Simple: you need to ask there about why an article has not been deleted. ColinFine (talk) 17:46, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Alright, thank you. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Cooldudeseven7 _{join in on the tea talk} 17:50, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Cooldudeseven7, if you translated it into an article here, then per Wikipedia's licensing requirements you *must* use an attribution statement as explained at WP:CWW in your edits. If you didn't know/forgot to do this, then see WP:RIA for how to retrospectively add the required attribution to the English Wikipedia article's history.

One peculiar aspect of attribution is that the original article (on Simple, in this case) may no longer be deleted, because your attribution statement credits the writers of the Simple page, thus it must remain (although it can be moved out of their main space, as long as it is not deleted). If the Simple article does not meet the criteria for main space, what ought to happen to it is fuzzy, but I would move it to a subpage somewhere where it would forever be safe from deletion. Mathglot (talk) 03:23, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Alright, whats the template I need to place on the article (if there is one) ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Cooldudeseven7 _{join in on the tea talk} 16:48, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Nevermind, I added the translated page template. But, the article has no references as none were stated on the original page- what should I do if I want to get this page published? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Cooldudeseven7 _{join in on the tea talk} 16:56, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Template trouble

The section Contern#Rivers_and_Streams includes a table with 4 templates. The first 3 work fine and when clicking on "show" for the 4th (Schleederbaach) that looks fine, until I try to edit it. The V T E tabs give me Template:River Thames bridges, Template talk:River Thames bridges and Editing Template:River Thames bridges respectively, nothing to do with Schleederbaach at all. The article's edit page looks correct, and the data for the "show" must be somewhere. Any ideas? (I only want to change "Resevoir" to "Reservoir") - Arjayay (talk) 15:30, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

@Arjayay: I've fixed the V T E links with this edit. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:36, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks John of Reading - My bad, I was only looking at the article edit page - Arjayay (talk) 15:39, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Bat For Lashes Article

I work for BFL / Natasha's team, and trying to update some incorrect parts of her Wikipedia page. Amends I'm trying to make are: 1. Removing "and the stepdaughter of singer and actress Salma Agha" - her father is divorced from Salma and so Natasha has no family affiliation to the Agha family. 2. Removing "Khan was subject to racial abuse during secondary school due to her Pakistani heritage." - this is incorrect information 3. Addition in Other Projects of "Light Beings" https://batforlashes.fandom.com/wiki/Light_Beings 4. Addition in Other Projects of the film "The Dream of Delphi - A New Transmission" https://www.imdb.com/title/tt32535994/ 5. Amending currently status to: "After 6 years living in Los Angeles, Khan has returned to London with her daughter Delphi" 92.21.195.137 (talk) 16:44, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

It is not a page, its an article. Page is the software construct the article sits on and is the internal name the WMF uses for the thing. Don't use any of these for references. They are not reliable sources. scope_creep^Talk 16:50, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

It's an article. It's a page. Let's not hector people, especially when they arrive to politely make requests. -- Hoary (talk) 20:29, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

IMDB and Fandom are user-generated sources and considered unreliable for Wikipedia's sake. Therefore, they cannot be included as references. If there is third-party reporting in secondary sources, you can use those. As you have a conflict of interest as a paid editor, you are strongly advised 'not to edit the article directly - instead use the talk page Talk:Bat For Lashes to request the inclusion or change of any information. Unsourced assertions, such as claim number 2 you are trying to change, will be reverted unless they are cited to a reliable source, as will those to unreliable user-generated sources. Departure– (talk) 16:53, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Yes. If you a coi, declare per WP:DISCLOSE. If you do have a coi, then use the Wikipedia:Edit requests mechanism to request edits on the talk page of the article. An uninvolved editor will come by, look at them and if they are good, add them to the article. scope_creep^Talk 17:20, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Process

Hi Folks!! What is the process for editor who have an article on Wikipedia have done particular work on Wikipedia and want to mention in their own article. It was mentioned in the article via a wikipedia reference, which would normally be illegal and I removed it. How would that work normally be referenced in light of fact that it is unlikely somebody externally is going to write about it. What is the process there. Thanks. scope_creep^Talk 16:48, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

A conflict of interest? 2601AC47 (talk) 16:52, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

If secondary sourcing details that person's work on Wikipedia, it can be added. I strongly advise against using Wikipedia to back up any claim, even one directly concerned with one's edits to the platform. Departure– (talk) 16:54, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

How Do I Get a Wikipedia Profile

How do one go about getting a Wikipedia profile. 2603:7000:9F00:1E46:9C22:B0F:68D5:E313 (talk) 17:19, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Special:CreateAccount. Departure– (talk) 17:26, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not have profiles.

If you mean "an account" (from which you can edit most articlezs) see the link from Departure.

If you mean "an article about you", please read an article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. An article about you, whoever writes it, will not belong to you, will not be controlled by you, will not necessarily say what you would like it to say, may be edited by almost anybody in the world except you and your associates, and should be based almost entirely on what people wholly unconnected with you have published about you, not on what you or your associates say or want to say.

And writing about yourself is very strongly discouraged. ColinFine (talk) 18:19, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Greetings, and welcome. To answer a question with a question, what do you mean by "profile"? Wikipedia does not have profiles. If you mean a user page, once you create an account, you are free to create a user page for yourself, but this is intended for you to provide information about yourself as a Wikipedia editor--it is not intended to serve as a more general social media profile, as that is not what Wikipedia is for.

If you were meaning an article, then what is required is that the subject of the article meet our standards of notability, which in turn means that they have received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia which summarizes reliable secondary sources, so without these sources, there is literally nothing upon which a proper encyclopedia article can be based. If you're were referring to an article about yourself, it's highly unlikely that you meet that standard, as is the case for most people--I certainly don't qualify for an article, and I hope I never do.

Hope this helps. Feel free to ask further questions. --Finngall ^talk 18:21, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

IRK

What are the details of prohets Muhammad — Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.231.206.81 (talk) 20:04, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Not exactly sure what you mean by "details", but in any case, see the talk page for reasons about that. 2601AC47 (talk) 20:21, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

You can find all the details you could possibly want at Muhammad. Shantavira|^{feed me} 11:09, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

What happened to the "expand all" button?

I know about the setting on mobile, but on desktop there used to be a button in the sidebar that expanded all the sections in an article, until it disappeared one day. Was it something I did, or is it gone for everyone? TheLegendofGanon (talk) 22:08, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Can't say I remember that but it was probably a result of a WP:SKIN change. You can go back to older ones if you prefer. (I'm using an old one right now, I'm just more familiar with the layout) Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 22:19, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

I found it. Turns out I had inadvertently moved the tool section off of the sidebar. TheLegendofGanon (talk) 14:03, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Regarding Module sandbox creation

How to create a Module:Sandbox/User name? பொதுஉதவி (talk) 23:30, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

You already should know: Module:Sandbox. 2601AC47 (talk) 23:35, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @பொதுஉதவி. I've just replied to nearly the same question on the Teahouse. Please don't ask the same question in multiple places (unless you are specifically advised to - I suggested you ask at WT:Lua). ColinFine (talk) 17:09, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

October 31

Compliance with MOS:FOREIGNQUOTE

'When editors themselves translate text into English, care must always be taken to include the original text, in italics'. Is there any way to do it that isn't an eyesore? The only ways I have seen this done is just wholly providing the original language text following the original in the body, which is a massive waste of text. I guess you could use footnotes. But I think those are both eyesores, especially when it's on a page that has a decent amount of quotes. Is there any better way to do this? What is the recommended way? PARAKANYAA (talk) 00:06, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

@PARAKANYAA The recommended way is at MOS:FOREIGNQUOTE. I don't see why this would be an "eyesore". We might be able to provide better advice if you could please link to the article in question. Shantavira|^{feed me} 11:07, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

@Shantavira It's an eyesore because having to duplicate the full text again in the body of the article after every quote is too much. Effectively the only tolerable option is to include no quotes.

It's not one page, it's just generally. PARAKANYAA (talk) 11:10, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

@PARAKANYAA. Quotes in articles should be few and short. Please provide an example of the supposed problem. Shantavira|^{feed me} 14:12, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

For example, book articles or other media. Articles for media reviews tend to use a lot of quotes from reviews in reception sections. PARAKANYAA (talk) 21:36, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

PARAKANYAA, you could just include the translation as an explanatory note, which resolves in a different section at the bottom of the page than regular footnotes, and so do not interrupt the flow. If there are already a lot of explanatory notes, you could separate them off into their own section by using the group attribute of template {{efn}}. Mathglot (talk) 03:13, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Help with archiving Talk Page

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Aesthetic_Realism Can someone please help me create Archive 14 for this Talk Page? I thought it was supposed to auto-archive after 14 days of inactivity when more than 4 threads were present but that is obviously not working because the thread at the top is from 2019. When I tried to manually archive it, a message came up stating "This page is on the title blacklist, so only administrators, template editors, and page movers can create it."

Can you please archive the current Talk Page as Archive 14, or alternatively, direct me on a way I can do it using an automated script? Thank you. Lore E. Mariano (talk) 01:14, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

@LoreMariano the bot is configured to only archive discussions on that page when there are more than 4 sections present. You could change that in the source code, or manually archive using tools like one click archive. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 01:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

@LoreMariano: Talk:Aesthetic Realism only has 4 threads. As you said, it's supposed to auto-archive when there are more than 4. Talk:Aesthetic Realism/Archive 14 is not on the title blacklist. Is that the page you tried to create? Do you get the quoted message when you click that link? PrimeHunter (talk) 02:09, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Probably you tried to create Talk:Aesthetic Realism\Archive 14 (wrong kind of slash), which is on the title blacklist. It should show an error message about that, but the infra in this area has a few holes. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 02:14, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Yes, that's the page I tried to create--maybe I had the syntax wrong. I just tried again, using your Talk:Aesthetic Realism/Archive 14 link, and it's working now.

I had tried copying and pasting "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Aesthetic_Realism/Archive_13" and changed the 13 to a 14, and that's when I got the message. But your Talk link worked, so thank you! Lore E. Mariano (talk) 02:18, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

It's almost perfect now except that Archive 14 isn't showing in the Talk page Archive Index list. Does it get automatically populated? I couldn't see how to include it as a link in the Index. Lore E. Mariano (talk) 02:33, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

@LoreMariano: You haven't created Talk:Aesthetic Realism/Archive 14. Special:Contributions/LoreMariano doesn't show any recent page creation. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:45, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

No idea what I did wrong last night. But it's there now--I just re-did it and the Index is now showing Archive 14. Thank you for your help. Lore E. Mariano (talk) 20:02, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Visual editor and 2017 wikitext editor side by side? / Show preview?

Hi! I've (finally) been trying the visual editor, and have also enabled the 2017 wikitext editor. One thing I noticed is that when using the 2017 wikitext editor, a live preview doesn't appear next to it like it did before I enabled the visual editor, even though I have "show preview without reloading the page" enabled in my preferences.

Is this option incompatible with the visual editor? Is there any option to show the 2017 wikitext editor and the visual editor side by side, which would serve the same purpose as a live preview?

Also, I'm wondering what "show preview when starting to edit" and "show preview before edit box" mean, as I don't see any differences whether I enable or disable these preferences?

Thanks from an irregularly active user :) Helpful Cat (talk) 01:44, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

@Helpful Cat Slightly off-topic, since you ask about the 2017 wikitext editor, which means using wikitext mode inside the visual editor, I would recommend just using the standard source editor. That has a "Preview" toggle to the right of the menu bar and on any device with a reasonably wide viewing screen like a PC works fine: the preview part can be scrolled independently of the editing area. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:59, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Please help me

I wanted to add an addition to a harmless article about a Dutch ambidextrous artist in the English section of Wikipedia, when trying to save it, the following warning came out: You've exceeded your rate limit. Please wait some time and try again. At the same time, I have not ruled anything at all up to this point. I made several attempts to save, but no, it failed. Maybe who knows what it is? I've been writing on the Russian-language Wikipedia for 4 years, but I've never seen this. Please help me. Thanks! Znatokgoroda77 (talk) 07:41, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Hey Znatokgoroda77, until you are autoconfirmed, which is 4 days and 10 edits here (I understand it's 15 on ruwiki?) there is an IP-based rate limit, which you may have run into if you're using a shared IP and there are other people editing from it. You have probably never run into it because you would have been autoconfirmed on ruwiki for a few years now. Alpha3031 (t • c) 08:58, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Hey Alpha3031! Thanks for the answer! There are 20 edits and two weeks of experience in the Russian-language section, as you said correctly. It's difficult to make 10 edits here. I have been trying to send you an answer for more than 10 hours now, but this strange limit does not allow me to do this. Thanks again for your reply. With best wishes, Znatokgoroda77 (talk) 18:22, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

I am trying to add this page to Wikipedia but getting an error

I am trying to add this page to Wikipedia but getting an error and I think it is an error, Saifurrahman is a beacon of creativity and innovation in the graphic design industry and has received many rewards and soon receive the Padma award. I think this information should be included in Wikipedia. Could you help me to resolve this issue?

I am recieving following message

"Welcome to Wikipedia!

Your edit has triggered an automated filter and has been disallowed. It looks like you're trying to add an email address to this page. Doing that, especially with a personal email address, is usually a bad idea as it can attract large amounts of spam. Though there are a few legitimate reasons to include an email address, in most cases Wikipedia will remove email addresses that are added to articles or discussion pages.

If you want to communicate with a particular user via email, Wikipedia has a built-in email function you can use. If you would like to request general assistance, the fastest way is usually to post a question at the Help Desk. Wikipedia also provides a guide to asking for help — including via email — if you feel that is necessary.

If you are attempting to add a link to a Mastodon account, and this filter is preventing you from doing so, please do not file a false positive report. Instead, please follow the instructions at Template:Mastodon user to add a link to the account. If you are experiencing trouble using the template, please visit the Teahouse for assistance in doing so. If you believe you received this message in error, you may report it here." Saifurrahmanprof (talk) 09:43, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

You need to remove the email address from your text in order for you to be able to submit it. 331dot (talk) 09:48, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

@Saifurrahmanprof: Remove the email address as said, and also all the phone numbers. Wikipedia articles do not give contact information. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:19, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

@Saifurrahmanprof: I looked at the rest of your attempted text. It's extremely promotional with no sources and totally inappropriate for Wikipedia. It has no chance of being accepted. I suggest you just drop the whole thing. See Wikipedia:Autobiography. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:30, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

@Saifurrahmanprof: This sentence: "Saifurrahman is a beacon of creativity and innovation in the graphic design industry" is a big red flag indicating you're not the right person to write the article. Please see WP:What Wikipedia is not, especially the WP:PROMOTION part. You need to familiarize yourself with Wikipedia key policies WP:CONPOL as well, most important of them right now IMHO are WP:Neutral point of view and WP:Verifiability. Also, as other said above, WP:AUTOBIO and also MOS:PUFFERY (the last one strictly related to another policy on WP:Neutral point of view). Additionally, as you are clearly a living person, your biography must comply with WP:BLP, whether it's you or anybody else who will eventually write it. --CiaPan (talk) 12:54, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Add/Update a Corporate Logo

The company that I work for has rebranded with a new logo. I would like to update the Wiki listing so that it is current and correct, but as an employee I am barred from making any changes to the listing. Can someone look at www.rjleegroup.com to see that the logo is new and update the wiki listing? Dtel77 (talk) 14:35, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

(another conflict of interest, please.) So long as this isn't non-free, promotional or leaning towards paid edits, you may upload that logo on Wikimedia Commons. 2601AC47 (talk) 14:40, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Logos are rarely appropriate for Commons, as by uploading a logo to Commons you are making it available for anyone to use for any purpose with attribution(like competitors). You should upload it to this Wikipedia locally as a "fair use" image, see WP:UPIMAGE. 331dot (talk) 14:47, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Dtel77 You will need to make the Terms of Use-require paid editing disclosure. 331dot (talk) 14:49, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

@Dtel77 The existing logo is the file File:RJLG 2 Color Logo no tagline 031711.png which is uploaded here on English Wikipedia as WP:NONFREE, with an interesting comment (see file page) that the combination of text and simple geometric shape would make it public domain in the U.S. However, it is tagged as not being suitable for Commons because of the doubt about whether it is non-free in its home country, which is odd given that RJ Lee Group is clearly American. Your new logo seems to have the same issues, so I suggest you also upload it only to English Wikipedia. Once incorporated in the article (which I'll do if you WP:PING me to its Talk Page after you've uploaded the file), the old logo will be automatically deleted by a bot. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:57, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

@Dtel77: That isn't a PD-logo. The design that precedes the text doesn't consist of "simple geometric shapes" but rather complex curves that cannot be reconstructed using simple geometric shapes. It should be non-free fair use, at lower resolution. I have made the corrections. ~Anachronist (talk) 15:54, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

User:Dtel77 has been blocked as an obvious sockpuppet of the blocked spamusername account User:RJ Lee Group. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:04, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

I think you got the sockpuppetry relationship backward. User:RJ Lee Group was created a week ago, and User:Dtel77 was created a year ago. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:13, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Serbia's gdp for October 2024 is still not updated!

I want to make change. Dzon Dzouns (talk) 15:36, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

October isn't even over yet, so how can we already have an accurate GDP figure for it? I suspect such figures are only calculated by (competent and/or official) economists weeks to months after the end of the month in question, but I may be mistaken. What is your Reliable source for the figure you want to change, and exactly where in which article(s) do you want to change it? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.6.86.81 (talk) 15:46, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

If that's so, be bold and edit such subject's article. 2601AC47 (talk) 15:47, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

On further investigation, I find that the article helpfully linked by 2601AC47 has a figure for 2024 sourced to an official (National Bank of Serbia) monthly report dated October (so it's a figure for 2024 up to October, not for October 2024), that was added by Gmiletic on 26 October, 5 days before Dzon Dzouns's request. If this is not the article you meant, Dzon Dzouns, which is it? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.6.86.81 (talk) 16:09, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

metadata hunt

Hello! I am a big fan of Wikipedia (occasional donor and minor editor). I have a curiosity/research-related question, and I need help finding either the answer or a tool to process metadata from Wikipedia for the answer. My question: How many references (i.e. links to unique source materials) does each and every Wikipedia article have?

So all I need, really, is a list of all article titles and the number of referenced sources in each. If the list could possibly be broken into groups (persons, events, technology, concepts, creative productions, or any pre-existing categorization of articles you may use), this would be even more helpful for my statistical purposes, but it's not strictly necessary.

Hollyfeld (talk) 18:43, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

By that, do you mean every reference counted in all 6 million or so articles that have them? In that case, the math is complicated, but you're welcome to try (and help out while at it). 2601AC47 (talk) 19:13, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Search box typos

When doing a search on the term Rusķ,I find a typo in the Rusk, Texas entry, sear for seat. Where do you go to edit? DMc75771 (talk) 18:47, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Be bold and edit it... But anyway,  Already done myself. 2601AC47 (talk) 19:10, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello everyone.

I'd like to speak to a admin who is in charge of looking at drafts for article creation. Size5football (talk) 23:02, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

There is no admin for reviewing drafts, reviewers are volunteers who have received reviewing right. Which particular draft do you have concern about? Tutwakhamoe (talk) 23:07, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Loves Farm Size5football (talk) 23:08, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

then i'd like to speak to a reviewer Size5football (talk) 23:08, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

I am a reviewer. Which draft do you have question about? Tutwakhamoe (talk) 23:10, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

@Tutwakhamoe They seem to be talking about Draft:Loves Farm. win8x (talking | spying) 23:12, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

yes thats my draft Size5football (talk) 23:14, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

i made that Size5football (talk) 23:14, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

The draft is not currently submitted for review. Are you requesting a review? If so, you'll need to click on the blue "submit the draft for review" button on the top of the draft. After you did that, the draft will be in a queue line, as there are quite a number of drafts waiting for review at the moment. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 23:17, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

i've submitted it @Tutwakhamoe Size5football (talk) 23:25, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Oh, didn't see that. Thanks for the reminder. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 23:14, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

its fine Size5football (talk) 23:15, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

November 1

Question about uploading a photo of a person to their wiki page

Hello, I was trying to upload a picture of Sandy Rios to her Wikipedia page (it lacks one), but when I attempted to upload it I got an error message saying that the picture was not suitable for the Wikimedia commons. The picture I obtained of Sandy Rios was sent to me by her for the expressed purpose of updating her Wikipedia page.

I'm not sure what to do and any help would be appreciated.

This is the page in question. Sandy Rios Eastern-Roman-Empire-482 (talk) 00:19, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

@Eastern-Roman-Empire-482 This is really a matter for Wikimedia Commons. You will need the copyright owner, almost certainly that is not Sandy Rios, to look at and comply with the process at c:COM:VRT, please.

Why do I say Ms Rios is unlikely to be the copyright owner?

This picture is, or appears to be, a picture of the subject, offered to you by the subject, but there is no evidence that the image is under an acceptable free licence. Ownership or possession of a photo, proprietorship of the equipment used to take the photo, or being the subject of the photo does not equate holding the copyright. The copyright holder is the photographer (i.e. the person who took the photo), rather than the subject (the person who appears in the photo) or the person possessing the photo, unless transferred by operation of law (e.g. inheritance, etc.) or by contract (written and signed by the copyright holder, and explicitly transfers the copyright). Evidence of any transfer of licencing must be sent via c:COM:VRT.

Yes, copyright and licensing is complex. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 00:33, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

@Eastern-Roman-Empire-482 Having examined the Rios article I have noted that the referencing is less than helpful. I am also unsure that Rios passes WP:BIO. You may wish to find better references and also edit the article to assert and verify her notability. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 00:59, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

If you have any connection with Rios, please also read about conflicts of interest. -- NotCharizard ^🗨 11:30, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Red Links are All blue now

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T315347

Dear Wikipedians, Why has every red link turned blue? Who decided this was a good idea and made a global change to the wiki style? It's now impossible to tell live links apart from dead ones. I expect to waste an enormous amount of time clicking on dead links disguised as live links. This was a bad idea. Please change it back to normal. 98.240.217.220 (talk) 02:35, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Can you provide an example? A quick check in my sandbox isn't showing this. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 02:38, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure about that, but I think I encountered this situation before. I don't know how this happens, but it has occurred on talkpage redlinks before. ‹hamster717🐉› ^{(discuss anything!🐹✈️ • my contribs🌌🌠)} 02:38, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Sure, I was just browsing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Anseriformes. But I found another dead blue link earlier today and thought it was a one-off. This page ^^ has all links blue, not a single one is red, but all the blue links I tried for extinct species were dead links. This... really isn't a good design for a wiki. 98.240.217.220 (talk) 02:40, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

There are so many links on List of Anseriformes that it's impossible to figure out exactly which ones you're asking about. I randomly clicked some blue links on that page, and they all seem to work: they either go directly to the target article itself or via a WP:REDIRECT. If by "broken" you mean the name of the link doesn't match the name of the target article, then WP:NOTBROKEN might be what you're seeing. A "blue link" by definition is a link to an existing page, and it doesn't seem technically possible for a link to a non-existing page to be "blue". If you find that to be the case, please provide the name of the link so that it can be checked. -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:00, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

I specifically described that the blue links to extinct species are not working. If you clicked on blue links to extant species instead then of course you didn't replicate the problem. You seriously want me to copy and paste the name of every single broken link on that page? Anserpica kiliani, Headonornis, Headonornis hantoniensis, Presbyornis mongoliensis, Presbyornis recurvirostrus, Presbyornis pervetus, Telmabates howardae, Wilaru tedfordi, Wilaru prideauxi, etc. Those are just from the top fifth of the list. I don't want to spend several hours clicking every single link on that page. They all say "Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact name. Please search for Wilaru prideauxi in Wikipedia to check for alternative titles or spellings. You need to log in or create an account and be autoconfirmed to create new articles. Alternatively, you can use the article wizard to submit a draft for review, or request a new article. Search for "Wilaru prideauxi" in existing articles. Look for pages within Wikipedia that link to this title. Other reasons this message may be displayed: If a page was recently created here, it may not be visible yet because of a delay in updating the database; wait a few minutes or try the purge function. Titles on Wikipedia are case sensitive except for the first character; please check alternative capitalizations and consider adding a redirect here to the correct title. If the page has been deleted, check the deletion log, and see Why was the page I created deleted?" 98.240.217.220 (talk) 03:24, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm seeing this same problem on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Corvus_species now. There are no red links, only blue links. But in the fossil species section, many links are blue but dead. I.e. Corvus galushai, Corvus hungaricus, C. bragai (which is badly named too), Corvus neomexicanus, Corvus fossilis, New Ireland crow, Corvus betfianus, Corvus pliocaenus. The message they give me is the same message I copied/pasted above. I used to get that message if I accidentally clicked on a red link, in previous months/years. 98.240.217.220 (talk) 04:58, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm seeing them as red links; this sounds like a CSS problem on your end. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:35, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

@IP 98.240.217.220. You didn't have to list every single link; just one would've been enough. In addition, just saying links to extinct species wasn't very helpful because you might know what that means in the context of List of Anseriformes, but not everyone at this help desk might not share your knowledge. Let's look at one of the links you mentioned above: Anserpica kiliani. It's looks red to me because no article exists by that name. That's not an indication of anything being broken; it just means nobody has created a Wikipedia article about that subject yet. Now, if when you look at the article and the code [[Anserpica kiliani]] is being displayed as blue link, then that would be odd. I believe users with registered accounts can set their preferences so that they can display links in a certain color per H:LC#Styling all links just for you, but I don't think that's an option offered to IP users. This could be a known issue that others are currently working on resolving; so, I'll post something at WP:VPT to see whether anyone there might know what's going on. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:56, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

The links are also red for me. Which browser/app/device are you using to view Wikipedia? Are you viewing it at Wikipedia's own site en.wikipedia.org? Do you have any browser extensions? Is it the same at other Wikimedia wikis like wikt:subpoena#Derived terms where "subpenal" and "subpoena ad respondendum" are red for me. PrimeHunter (talk) 06:03, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

I checked the VPT archives and this appears to have been discussed before at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 182#Red links are shown as blue in mobile version; it also appears to be a problem specifically affecting those using the mobile site. One thing you might try is going to either of the articles where you've noticed this happening, scrolling down to the very bottom of the page, and then clicking on "View in desktop mode" or something similar. Perhaps this will "correct" the problem you're experiencing. It might only be a temporary fix and perhaps even a bit inconvenient, but this appears to be a known issue that at least was reported as being resolved. If it's happening again, then it's not really a problem that can be resolved here, but probably needs to be reported as explained in WP:PHAB. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:09, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

I have the same issue. It seems to only be present in the "Vector 2022" and "Minerva Neue" skins. Avessa (talk) 11:30, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

I have that problem (and I don't use the mobile site) if the page uploads as "raw formatted" text, i.e. basic text without the pretty formatting, when I am using too much RAM - I wait until the application has finished, or turn off some unused applications. Have you tried turning some other applications off? - Arjayay (talk) 11:49, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Red links only have the class new in the HTML of the page itself and get CSS from elsewhere to color them. For Vector 2022 it's this:

@media screen {
  a:where(.new:not([role="button"])) {
    color: var(--color-destructive,#d73333);
  }
}

Registered users affected by the problem can try adding it to Special:MyPage/vector-2022.css, but if it fails loading from elsewhere then it may also fail loading from there. Also try to bypass your cache. Use Ctrl+F5 in Windows browsers, not F5 or the reload button alone. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:13, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

If you really need to see red links on a specific page and you know how to add CSS to the current page in your browser (also possible for unregistered users) then you can add this simpler version:

.new {color:red}

PrimeHunter (talk) 12:20, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

I believe that something has changed recently (i.e. this week) in MediaWiki that caused red links to show as blue for some people in some skins, including Vector 2022. I have had a custom blue color for blue links in my personal CSS since Vector 2022 was released, and red links worked fine. Red links turned blue for me this week; I had to modify my personal CSS to get them back. See T315347. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:14, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Indus Valley Script

Indus script states that "Despite many attempts, the "script" has not yet been deciphered." The article does not refer to Yagna Devam's deciphering of the Indus Valley Script even though the Wikipedia article has been updated in 2024. Is that a mistake or is Yagna Devam's work not considered to be valid? Thanks. KUBH (talk) 04:36, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

@KUBH:, volunteers at the Help Desk are unlikely to know the detail of the content of an article like Indus script. You could ask at the talk page of the article, my impression is that the article has not been updated because no Wikipedia:Reliable source has been found for the claim that the script has been deciphered. TSventon (talk) 04:50, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Having briefly websearched, it appears to me that Yagna Devam's proposed decipherment has only very recently been well publicised, and that there has not yet been enough time for other reputable scholars to peer-review and comment on it. Like all such indeciphered scripts, many different and incompatible decipherment proposals for the IVS have been made, ranging from deluded to plausible, so determining which are WP:FRINGE and which are worthy of mention is not easy.

In view of the above, it may be WP:TOOSOON to add this particular theory to the article yet, but if it proves on further academic analysis to have merit, as-yet-unwritten WP:Reliable sources will be published that will qualify it. I hope this happens, because being able finally to understand the IVS will provide invaluable historical insights.

Wikipedia only summarises already-published reliable sources, and in academia publishing is often measured and slow, so delays in being able to include new findings are usual. I notice for example that in a parallel case, a recent proposed decipherment of Linear A (suggesting it's not Minoan, but Egyptian hieroglyphic shorthand – the proposers's book was due to be published this October) which I find very persuasive has not yet achieved a mention. Oh, well, I've been waiting 60 years . . . . {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.6.86.81 (talk) 13:53, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Manipulation in Wikipedia

The article about HonestReporting, and NGO, is not real and generates misinformation about the conflict in Middle East. As example, was completely real that journalists of CNN, AP, Al Jazeera and others participate of terrorist acts. The NGO fights against misinformation, and with the entrance in Wikipedia lying and spreading fake facts, the site contributes to the free hate. Berele (talk) 05:39, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Berele, please go to Talk:HonestReporting. Start by reading the section near the top, "Warning: active arbitration remedies". If you believe that you can comment in a way that will satisfy this, then make clear proposals, of course authoritatively referenced, at the foot of the talk page. Mere complaints will get you nowhere; instead, say exactly what is wrong, and say exactly how it should be fixed (of course, with references to reliable sources). -- Hoary (talk) 07:30, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Permanently Banned on Hebrew Wikipedia

Hello,

Nice to meet you. I'm Noam, 32 years old, from Israel. Recently I was permanently banned on Hebrew Wikipedia, for stupid reasons, and despite doing everything I can to explain the situation, and contacted the admins, nothing helped.

A few questions about this I have:

1. Can you help me contact Hebrew Wikipedia Admins to explain everything? There is a misunderstanding on there and I cant contact them because im banned.

2. They banned me for a very stupid reason. I had a small argument with someone else and they banned permanently just because of that. Do they have a right to?

3. I contribute alot to Wikipedia and being banned makes absolutely no sense.

4. If i remain banned on there, it means i will be banned on this english wikipedia too?

thanks, noam Noam Atadgy (talk) 05:50, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

@Noam Atadgy:
Can you help me contact Hebrew Wikipedia Admins to explain everything? There is a misunderstanding on there and I cant contact them because im banned.
Each language is its own individual project and has its own policies and guidelines. The English Wikipedia does not have any say in how the Hebrew Wikipedia operates. Most Wikipedias should have something similar to the {{unblock}} template.

If i remain banned on there, it means i will be banned on this english wikipedia too?
Your actions on the Hebrew Wikipedia won't reflect the fate of your account here, though if you're found to have caused trouble across multiple projects, there is a chance that your account will be globally locked. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:56, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

add new article

Sam new here so we want add new article for our company Wizfreelance (talk) 07:04, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

how many day take to review article and accept from new user Wizfreelance (talk) 07:08, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Wizfreelance, please read Wikipedia:When your boss tells you to edit Wikipedia very carefully. -- Hoary (talk) 07:22, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Short answer: you can't, WP is not a marketing platform.

Longer answer:

• WP:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing
• WP:NORG

Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:45, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

question regarding charts

i'm working on a draft page right here and i need some help with the charts. is there a way to get the Official Albumss Charts UPDATE on the charts because there is only the regular uk2 on the template and i want the one with update. is it on the chart template? Ddellas (talk) 08:35, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

The chart you provided seem to be a non-default of UK chart, so in this case you'll need to fill out the specific citation information instead of having the algorithm generate by itself. Check out "Maunual Referencing" part of Template:Album chart for detailed instruction. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 14:05, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

How do I speed up the process to review the page I created?

I have created a page and I improved it following the guidelines, but somehow it's still under review and it keeps postponing. How can I speed up the process? Thanks. DialaSharief (talk) 09:14, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

There is no way to speed up the process; drafts are reviewed in no particular order. 6 weeks is actually very low compared to the recent past when the wait was months. Please be patient. Do you have a particular need for a speedy review? 331dot (talk) 09:16, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Now reviewed and declined for a third time and for the same reason. Please attend to the issues hightlighted by the reviewer before submitting it again. Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:42, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @DialaSharief. A point to realise is that Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources.

Only one of your three citations even might be an independent source. ColinFine (talk) 14:01, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

question re article featured on main page

can someone please tell me why the excerpt for "today's featured article,' on the front page, is NOT the same as the actual opening of the article? the featured article today is William de Ros, 6th Baron Ros. thanks! Sm8900 (talk) 13:24, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

please ping me when you reply. thanks! Sm8900 (talk) 13:24, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Funnily enough—speaking completely partisan as the guy who wrote the bloomin thing—I've always thought our blurbs weren't that different from the lead. I could be wrong! But, you know, if it's an anniversary, it should state outright that "Today, X years ago, Y took place ion Z" etc. But it never does... it sort of makes the reader guess, or dig out for himself, a reason for that article being on the main page. (And of course, mostly, there isn't a reason, as if there's no anniversary, it's just randomly scheduled.) If a reader works it out, fine, but by then they must already be reading it, whereas if it stated the anniversarical reason, it might draw people in who might otherwise not have thought of doing so. Paging @TFA coordinators , also in an effort of reassurance that no hint of criticism of the stalwart work they do is intended, just an alternate view on a very minor aspect. @Sm8900:, for further and more general info, see WP:Today's Featured Article. HTH! SerialNumber54129 13:40, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

It's almost always based on the lead, but given we have only 1,025 characters to do our work, the need for compactness of language may lead to a number of omission from the article lead, and sometimes, more rarely, additions, either because the lead is short or we want to emphasize the anniversary if there is one.--Wehwalt (talk) 13:45, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

@Sm8900: The text in Wikipedia:Today's featured article/November 1, 2024 is not automatically extracted from the article. We never allow that on the main page. It was mainly written 12 October 2024 [2] with minor changes [3] since then. You can post to Wikipedia:Main Page/Errors#Errors in the summary of the featured article if something needs fixing in the main page text but not if you merely want to synchronize with the article wording. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:48, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Sm8900, We are restricted to 1,025 characters (including spaces and "(Full article...)") for the blurb, so leads all have to be trimmed and distilled down. Just by way of example, De Ros is 3,105 characters, so we have to lose two-thirds of the text just to get it to fit. This should also explain why there isn't space to include any reference to date connections. - SchroCat (talk) 13:50, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

It does not explain that at all. Specifically, inserting (for example) ...who died today in 1414 would add a grand total of five words, and frankly, if some of our top-FA writers can't shave another five words odd when as you say they've already cut >2,000 then that is obviously a completely acceptable alternative. SerialNumber54129 14:02, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

As his date of birth is in the first line, maybe it doesn't need to have the additional text? That would certainly come in for criticism at WP:ERRORS, I think. - SchroCat (talk) 14:06, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

ok yes, these replies really help me to understand this. thanks!! Sm8900 (talk) 14:46, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

i need someone to review my draft

Draft:London Borough of the City of Westminster (its a redirect btw) Size5football (talk) 14:24, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Redirects aren't done via the draft process. You should just create it. 331dot (talk) 14:26, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

im making the draft so it can redirect to City of Westminster Size5football (talk) 14:30, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

You should be able to edit London Borough of the City of Westminster to create the redirect. 331dot (talk) 14:33, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

okay Size5football (talk) 14:34, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

@331dot sandbox, improve, or article wizard? Size5football (talk) 14:35, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

In this case you can just click the red link I created to create the redirect. In the future you can just create a link in your sandbox to accomplish the same thing. 331dot (talk) 14:37, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Problematic Search Suggestion

When searching for “Sprunki” a popular kids game, one of the search suggestions is “ejaculation” which depicts four photo frames of an erect penis ejaculating. Whether the page for ejaculation really requires an actual picture of an erect penis ejaculating while pages like that for “urination” take a more delicate route is not what I want to get into, but it seems like the search term “Sprunki” does not need to offer “ejaculation” as a suggestion. Who moderates this sort of thing? 2.101.138.60 (talk) 18:29, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not censored for any reason. I'm guessing that the issue here is that the name of the game is close to a slang word for ejaculate, which is why that is coming up. See WP:NOSEE for options on suppressing the display of images. 331dot (talk) 18:36, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Thumbnail doesn't match full image

I recently requested a significant edit to this image, and someone just uploaded a new version. When I first loaded the file description page after the new upload, the cache apparently reset, because the 590×599 pixel preview image was different, but the original thumbnail appeared in both versions of the file history. Any idea why this would be the case? I've tried purging, but that didn't help. Not urgent of course; I'm just trying to understand. Nyttend (talk) 19:25, 1 November 2024 (UTC)