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Page name

I have proposed that the page be moved to Port-of-Spain in accordance with Wikipedia naming conventions. Guettarda 17:02, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Hyphens

Could you please decide unambigously whether the hyphens are needed or not? I mean, the title should agree with the article text consistently. Adam78 03:03, 28 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hyphens were recently removed from the article. Both are common - I believe that the hyphenated form is more correct. Guettarda 03:05, 28 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm. There's even discrepancies on POS' website. http://www.cityofportofspain.org.tt/ CaribDigita 22:47, 2 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As User:Nicholas Laughlin pointed out in his edits to the PoS article a while ago, Port of Spain is more common usage, while Port-of-Spain is a bit archaic (although still widely used). Although I undid his changes for consistency, the more I thought about it the more I felt he was right. So after thinking about it for a while, I decided to be bold. If people feel it's a bad idea - well, that's what rollback and the AutoWikiBrowser are made for ;) Guettarda 23:41, 2 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much. I'll believe you. :) Adam78 00:57, 3 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Artists rendition of the new Queen's Park Savannah facilities

I thought this link was too good to pass up. Especially for future article expansion. The link has an artists' rendition of the new Grand/North stand replacement to be built down the Queen's Park Savannah. [1] Although it's copyright it's better to have something-- as backup until something can be found in public domain. CaribDigita 01:41, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Although it's on the Express website, my assumption is that the drawing would be copyright of the architect, so I suspect that a good argument could be made for fair use. Guettarda 04:59, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Revert to Hyphens

Why? Not for any reason really, except that T-N-T's capital is not Spain's Port, which is what "Port of Spain" implies. It is instead Port-of-Spain...Ishango 20:14, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Slavery

I find the lack of reference to slavery quite odd.

new york of the caribbean

Has anyone actually heard this term used, or is it just another one of these things the guide books make up?

http://www.lonelyplanet.com/destinations/caribbean/trinidad_and_tobago/attractions.htm

"The pulse of the city is Independence Square ... "the New York of the Caribbean" because of its active nightlife and vibrant cultural scence." This paragraph is copied verbatim from the above site.

I also concerned about the image - it even has a watermark from http://www.triniting.com/

Guettarda 20:49, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Trinidadians do not commonly use it to describe their city. I've heard it used by people from our small island neighbours up north. Port of Spain is too plauged with problems for Trinidadians to even compare ourselves with this US city. However, in some aspects such as shopping and business it is partially true.

Never heard of "NYC of the Caribbean" here. However, I did see the Washington Times did have an article saying the "Hong Kong of the Caribbean" though. CaribDigita (talk) 00:55, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of nightclubs

I have removed the lsit of individual night club names because:

It lacks notability - the fact that Port of Spain has an active nightlife is notable in the context of the article but the names of particular clubs are not unless there is something individually distinctive about them.
It is unverified original research - the list is unsourced and the existence of these clubs and their representativeness of all clubs in the city cannot be determined; and
It gives undue weight to nightclubs in the cotnext of the article - there are nigth clubs in Port of Spain, but is this such an important point that it needs a section as long as this?

The article still points to the fact that there is an active night life and that clubs and restaurants are located on Ariapita Street. This seems sufficient unless any of the nightclubs are so distinctive that their special characteristics should be separately noted.

Other opinions welcome. Euryalus (talk) 01:13, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why not remove the restaurant list as well? The list is certainly not complete and suffers the same issues. In fact, I would say the clubs are more notable than the restaurants. Akon's song Sorry, Blame It on Me has lyrics based on the infamous incident that occurred at Club Zen in Port of Spain. Machel Montano is also in court now based on an incident at and outside the club. Not saying I disagree with the decision to remove the clubs, but they certainly play a big part in Port of Spain's notability. The cultural section in the article is not representative of its importance to the city. I would be 100% for removing the list of US fast food chains as well. Rasadam (talk) 02:50, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Removing all or part of the restaurant list sounds good to mee too. I'd also say the Club Zen details you provided above are sufficiently notable to restore a mention of this club to the article - not simply because it is a nightclub in Port of Spain, but because it has notability in its own right for the reasons you give above. Euryalus (talk) 03:00, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I created the list of restaurants and I still believe it needs to remain. The first thing you do upon visiting a city and finding a hotel is you find a place to eat. If you like japanese, you want to know if there is a japanese restaurant, etc. Listing the restaurants and their type of cuisine is not advertising them. In many cases, these are the only restaurants of their type in the island and their quality was cited in a reference to an article which was published online by fodor's about Port of spain restaurants - google it. I will not change anything for now. But if you agree with me, I might. To me, I wouldn't care as much about the history of a city - I want to know about its contemporary qualities - what it can offer me right now. Can't you guys see that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.6.235.101 (talk) 01:50, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I don't think anyone would argue the usefulness of a restaurant list to a prospective traveler. But you're missing a key underlying concept, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia not a travel guide website. The aim is to document the history and describe cities, not to serve as a tourists guide to any location. People looking for this information should visit a tourism website, like the Government Tourism Page and not this article. If you're interested in working on a travel guide Wiki, I would recommending having a look at one of the sister wiki sites, Wikitravel, which in fact has a Port of Spain page that is in dire need of expansion. Rasadam (talk) 02:11, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Rasadam, especially about the need to improve the Wikitravel Port of Spain page which contains very little useful content. Euryalus (talk) 03:24, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The nightclubs don't belong. Simple enough. Look at some other major cities. Guettarda (talk) 04:13, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Problems with the tone in the article

While I don't want to diminish the efforts of the contributors who have made drastic improvements to the content and quality of the article, I have serious problems with the direction this article is headed. Virtually every section, including the lead and areas relevant to modern day Port of Spain are essentially touting efforts by the Government left right and center. For example, the lead suggests this with "The Government promoted this in 2008 by launching the International Finance Center at the Port of Spain International Waterfront Centre" alluding to T&T becoming a financial powerhouse thanks to having large building. This is an opinion of the government and especially the current Prime Minister but is disputed by many people in T&T. The fact is that the current IFC only really has a hotel/conference centre (For the record, most of the summits meetings occurred on the cruise ships leased) and most of the "tall buildings" will be holding government ministries.

The article bleeds government propaganda with heavy emphasis on Government's Vision 2020. There's way too much emphasis on proposed projects or in-construction works. As much as I love to see our country put the best foot forward on Wikipedia, having an article with government propaganda is of little encyclopedic benefit. -- R45 ^talk! 14:49, 21 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poverty and Minor Crimes

I agree 100% on the section about crime and it can be expanded to include the daily purse,chain and cellphone snatching, the prostitution, illegal vending, public defecation, traffic violations, unfair price fixing, and homeless population (who were twice literally hunted down like dogs). Google Trinidad Express for more details. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.213.229.67 (talk) 02:11, 30 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

CRIME SECTION

Crime is a burning issue in POS, but we need to be rational about it. To avoid anymore rumours, hearsay and speculation as opposed to hard facts being entered into the section, please don't edit it unless you have reliable sources of information or statistics. Thank you.Belchman9006 (talk) 13:21, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Climate Table

The table containing the temperatures seems to be wrong. Especially the Average highs for the first months of the year. --ALE! (talk) 14:17, 13 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

-- WTF is wrong with the climate! that's pretty fake, going to fix it right now! It's IMPOSIBLE that Port of Spain reached to temperatures below 10ºC, and the links are from San Juan (Puerto Rico) NOT FROM PORT OF SPAIN --200.8.37.151 (talk) 18:44, 27 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The temperature data and climate information was obviously false. The description listed frequent snow and hail. All dubious climate information was deleted and climate table was fixed with data from the weather channel. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rawls1989 (talk • contribs) 00:43, 8 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Population

The population listed in the side bar is incorrect. Port of spain's population is 49031 ^[1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.93.55.190 (talk) 15:50, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I have reverted changes by 186.45.170.120 (talk · contribs) that causes this. Materialscientist (talk) 21:44, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ http://www.citypopulation.de/Trinidad.html

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