Talk:CBME-FM

Callsign

The correct callsign is CBME-FM (all Canadian FM stations have a "-FM" suffix), but I don't want to move this article. (I hope there will some day be an article about CBM, which is why I moved that article to its correct callsign.)

Also, unless things have changed significantly in the last relicensing, CBME has no rebroadcasters. All of the CBC Radio One stations in southern Quebec except for CBME (and, arguably, CBO-FM, which transmits from Quebec even though it's licensed to Ottawa) are officially rebroadcasters of CBVE-FM, and the Quebec AM program originates (or at least used to) from the Quebec City studios at 900 Place d'Youville. (That set of stations used to be known, don't know if it still is, as the "Quebec Community Network".) With master control now centralized for all English radio in Toronto this distinction hardly matters except to pedants like me, especially now that the CRTC renews all of the CBC's broadcast licenses en bloc. 121a0012 01:39, May 29, 2005 (UTC)

The article should talk about CBME's impaired signal (by comparison to CBF-FM) and why it came about. This observer, at least, is puzzled as to why the broader-appeal Radio One service didn't take over CBM-FM on 93.5 and boot Radio Two tothe weaker 88.5 allotment. This should also fit in somehow with the move of CBL from 740 to 99.1 (as CBLA-FM) where a similar choice was made (although 99.1 is not as impaired as 88.5 is by a long shot), and the more general trend of CBC (and SRC) R1 stations to move from AM to FM across the country, and the even more general trend of termination of AM broadcasting in most Canadian communities.

Once that puzzle is solved, one can move on to the question about why, when CIQC and CKVL became CINW and CINF, respectively, they didn't take over the CBC's Brossard transmitter site, which is superior in every respect to those stations' current facilities at the old CIQC/CFCX site in Kahnawake. I've heard some rumors that the Brossard site was severely damaged in the ice storm of that year, and I know that CBME and (the current) CBF-FM were rushed to the air in response. (Again compare CBL, where the Hornby facility was leased to the new licensee on 740, CHWO.)121a0012 17:43, May 29, 2005 (UTC)

Just for the record, Wikipedia has a pretty clear precedent that articles on broadcast stations should only include the -TV or -FM suffix if it's necessary as a disambiguator. So unless there's another CBME out there to distinguish this from, the article's proper title is CBME, not CBME-FM. (Which is also why I usually use "(radio)" as a disambiguator rather than "FM"; it's less confusing and more consistent than having a mix of CXXX and CXXX-FM jumbled together in the category. I don't think it's possible, for example, to write enough to actually justify having two separate articles for "CBE (AM)" and "CBE-FM", rather than simply combining the two under "CBE (radio)". Which means that if we stick with that, then the category jumbling gets even worse.)

Also, CBM (AM) should not have an article of its own separately from CBME; it is CBME's history and should properly be in CBME's article. Bearcat 00:01, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

No, actually, Wikipedia has a pretty clear precedent that articles on broadcast stations should use the callsign as assigned by the appropriate regulatory body. One would need to ask the CRTC and/or Industry Canada whether they consider the "-FM" and "-TV" suffixes (which all Canadian stations in those services carry) to be part of the callsign (as they are in the US) or just disambiguators. 121a0012 03:17, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)

In my experience, articles on broadcast stations in North America are overwhelmingly titled by just their four-letter CXXX/WXXX/KXXX call sign with no suffix; titles that actually contain the TV or FM suffix are pretty few and far between, and almost always the result of a requirement to disambiguate. I did a quick review of several radio and television station categories, and my memory did serve; articles that include the FM or TV suffix in the title are vastly outnumbered by articles that don't. I suppose it's possible that the stated policy differs from what people really do in practice, but when policy and practice differ, "precedent" is normally defined by practice. I have no objection to changing my practice if that's what I'm supposed to do, but until now I've been going based on the way I've seen things actually being done. Bearcat 07:00, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

U.S. stations (unlike Canadian stations) have a choice about whether or not their callsigns end in "-FM" or "-TV", so one should probably not generalize from what may not be a legitimate example. (U.S. full-power stations with a suffix are outnumbered 78–22 in the FCC database by those that do not have one.) I have done my best to fix those articles I have run across which have it wrong, but I haven't run across that many. The situation with Canadian stations is different, and the same argument cuts both ways: because all FM and TV stations have the suffix, either every article title should as well (because that's part of the callsign) or none of them should (because it's redundant). 121a0012 00:04, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)

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