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The addition I made about Bush not actually being descended from Pocahontas was just taken from another page on Wikipedia. i didn't verify it, but it sounded accurate. you removed it from the article anyway though, so alls good! SECProto 00:33, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Question

Was Thomas Rolfe's wife a Caucasian like his father or a Native American like his mother? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.234.190.241 (talk) 19:24, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Two comments. 1-you did not call his mother "Mongloid" so why are you refering to his father with the terminology of the discredited tripartite racial plan? 2-His wife was English.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:08, 13 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not British

Rolfe died in 1680. Great Britian was not formed until 1707. Thus he cannot be British and should not be put in a British category. For now I have put him in the general Category:People of Native American descent. I would put him in Category:English people of Native American descent but am unsure if we can find enough people to adequately populate that categtory.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:09, 13 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think per common sense, people looking for British people of Native descent would want him in there, since he is one of the few prominent examples, so he should wait in there until there is a correct subcategory rather than rely on the technicality of 1707 in this case. Cheers, Til Eulenspiegel /talk/ 03:13, 13 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Forgive my ignorance, but at the time wouldn't British refer to a person from the British Isles? In which case, wouldn't the classification be appropriate? --Nquinn91 (talk) 20:52, 13 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ka-Okee

I recently removed a mention of Ka-Okee, Pocahontas' purported daughter by the weroance Kocoum, from this article. It was at the time uncited. I subsequently found a citation, but I'm not sure whether Ka-Okee merits inclusion here, as the marriage to Kocoum (and presumably Ka-Okee's lineage) is disputed. (See Pocahontas#Possible marriage to "Kocoum".) However, it is indisputable, and perhaps noteworthy, that today's Patawomecks believe that Pocahontas was married to Kocoum and had a daughter by him. The question is whether the possible existence of this half-sister is relevant to Thomas Rolfe.

Anyway, if anyone decides that this is worthy of inclusion, here's the citation. I would suggest a wording like:

Members of today's Patawomeck tribe believe that prior to her marriage to John Rolfe, Pocahontas was wed to the Patowomeck weroance Kocoum, and had a daughter, Ka-Okee, by him.^[1] If this is accurate, Ka-Okee would have been Thomas Rolfe's half-sister.

^ Deyo, William "Night Owl" (5 September 2009). "Our Patawomeck Ancestors" (PDF). Patawomeck Tides. 12 (1): 2–7. Retrieved 6 July 2014.

I'll leave this here for others to discuss.—Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 05:37, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relevance of ethnicity to voyage survival

He was a year old during this voyage, and (being half Native American) was not necessarily immune to the diseases and hardships of the voyage.

How is the parenthetical (being half Native American) relevant here? 24.128.48.105 (talk) 22:17, 13 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Portrait

Since the caption admits the portrait is not of Thomas Rolfe, perhaps it is inappropriate to give it such a prominent place on the page. I would suggest adding a paragraph in the Legacy section addressing the Sedgeford Hall Portrait and its history as being believed to be depicting Rolfe and his mother. In my opinion, an image of his headstone or no image at all in his infobox would be preferable to an image of another person entirely. Thoughts, everyone? --Nquinn91 (talk) 21:03, 13 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, please move it or remove it. It is no bueno to have it in the infobox. TuckerResearch (talk) 15:00, 3 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This paragraph has no source and seems editorialized/biased.

>"Paramount Chief Wahunsenacawh, better known as Chief Powhatan, the grandfather of Thomas, died in 1618, happy in the knowledge that he had a living grandson in England."

This section has no source and seems editorialized/biased. How can we make a definite claim here? Is there a firsthand account from Wahunsenacawh? If not, who is making the claim to know how he felt about having a grandson expatriated to Europe? 77.173.18.223 (talk) 05:36, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Deyo, William "Night Owl" (5 September 2009). "Our Patawomeck Ancestors" (PDF). Patawomeck Tides. 12 (1): 2–7. Retrieved 6 July 2014.

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