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This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was keep. JYolkowski // talk 13:30, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Coombe Dean School

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Non-notable comprehensive school, like several hundred others in the country. Dunc|☺ 10:27, 27 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak keep. It seems to end up in the local news a lot more than most schools in the area, and until we've established how notability affects VfD in relation to schools, I say the article should be kept. Incidentally, this is the school I went to. Jamyskis 11:17, 27 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: Can we please stop this voting "keep" until the Wikipedia Schools thing is done? (Stopping voting "delete" is to vote "keep," after all.) Geogre 03:39, 28 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • The trouble is that if keepers stop voting "keep", and deleters keep voting "delete", the school article gets deleted, and the keepers won't like that. Sjakkalle 06:38, 28 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • It exists now. Therefore, it takes a consensus to delete. Having reflex "keep" votes (a big, persistent criticism that "particular school particular vote" folks like me have) and then taunts that everyone must stop voting delete until the golden dawn really doesn't help. There is no consensus on keeping, none on deleting, but the delete folks, so far as I've seen, haven't been targeting other Wikipedians for abuse nor running pages to marshal -bot like votes. (And I figure that I would have been called if there were such a thing, since I vote delete on most schools because most anything isn't notable.) Geogre 14:53, 28 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      • Comment:Schoolwatch is vote-neutral. It only tells you if a vote for deletion is on, and which article that vote is on. It doesn't tell you how to vote. "No consensus on keeping" is a straw man; outside speedies, no article needs consensus to keep. Actually a lot of people seem to think that schools are intrinsically encyclopedic (an opinion that I share), hence the consistency of recent school VfDs in opposing deletion of schools--indeed in most cases returning a majority vote for keep. The deletion of any school article seems to be becoming a minority position. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 15:20, 28 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
        • Wikipedia:Watch/schoolwatch states that it [...] is a campaign to ensure that articles on schools are allowed to develop on Wikipedia. Is that "vote-neutral"?--Nabla 15:43, 2005 Jun 8 (UTC)
        • Yes, in the manner in which it is executed, the Schoolwatch page is vote-neutral. Anybody can pop it onto his watchlist and vote according to his preferences. The fact that people interested in preserving schools from arbitrary deletion act as if this kind of publicity will attract more keep votes than delete votes suggests that they believe that in general school articles on Wikipedia are fairly popular. This belief seems to be born out by events; as schoolwatch has been used more so the proportion of people voting "keep" on school VfDs has grown, to the point where now it quite often exceeds those voting delete--an unusual event on VfD. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 15:56, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep: Verifiable, NPOV. Christopher Parham (talk) 15:42, 2005 May 28 (UTC)
  • Keep: Distinguishable, therefore not "like" several hundred other schools in the country. -- Natalinasmpf 16:17, 28 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete yet another high school. Denni☯ 20:31, 2005 May 28 (UTC)

Comment. As the second day of this listing draws to a close, it may be as well to take stock of the status of school articles on Wikipedia.

Wikipedia:Watch/schoolwatch/Votes for deletion archive

Some 64 school-related deletion listings started so far this month have been closed, and all the data was kept. A school playing field was merged with redirect to the associated school article, two listings were withdrawn by their nominators, and the remaining 61 articles were kept. Articles listed for deletion included three about middle schools and one about a primary school. The rest were presumably secondary or high schools. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 22:58, 28 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The updated statistics for May are now as follows:
Nominated: 75; kept: 65; redirected (merged): 1; withdrawn: 2; pending: 7
The pending nominations seem to my eye to all have overwhelming keep votes, which if true will bring the result of VfD nominations for May to 75 nominations, no deletions, and just one merge and redirect (which doesn't require a VfD decision). --Tony Sidaway|Talk 09:24, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • I'm not sure what your point is. I will continue to vote for deletion of high school articles as a matter of principle. Just as there are notable people, there are notable schools. However, just as there are non-notable people... Denni☯ 23:16, 2005 May 28 (UTC)
    • I just want to remind everyone that non-notability is not a criterion for deletion because notability cannot be wholly separated from subjectivity. Non-notability should be a minor factor in the decision against an article, not the whole case. Keep because this battle against schoolcruft cannot be won. You people who nominate these articles for deletion must realize that for every school you nominate, two thousand 14 year olds are hammering away at their keyboards about their own local school. You cannot win. --Barfooz (talk) 03:59, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I don't think I have a point, or that I need one. The facts speak for themselves. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 23:33, 28 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • You have every right to vote for deletion of schools if you so wish, but as long as you are in the minority, these articles won't get deleted. Jamyskis 10:22, 29 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Quale 08:14, 29 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Nominating a school damages Wikipedia by wasting time and creating ill-will. CalJW 23:33, 29 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and expand. Verifiable secondary school. Stop clogging VfD with schools; use Wikipedia:Schools --BaronLarf 22:19, May 31, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep on keeping schools. —RaD Man (talk 07:54, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • 'Delete. Neutralitytalk 04:29, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep and quit nominating schools. Ketsuban (is 1337) 03:34, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Useless and generic. Gamaliel 22:21, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep and i agree with Ketsuban and many others up the page expressing such an opinion. Celestianpower 22:25, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
    • It's also a lot better than a lot of other school pages out there. Celestianpower 22:27, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
      • Which explains where the whole "delete these ridiculous school stubs" movement comes from. RickK 22:48, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, and quit creating articles about unimportant topics. RickK 22:48, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)
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