Talk:East Kilbride

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Does anybody know any infomation on Jean or Jenny Cameron who lived on Blacklaw Farm in the now St leoards district of East Kilbride. She died in 1773 and was a strong supporter of the Jacobites, there were rumours of her involvement with Bonnie Prince Charlie where they had a brief affair but i would like more detail wherever possible. Thank You

It's the usual story...met at CentrePoint. Both were absolutely hammered. Had a few dances, a fight then chips at Victors before taking a cab home. Then ended up making the beast with the one back whilst watching Hitman and Her. Hope this helped.

There is a small memorial to her under a tree in a park on top the small hill adjacent to Blacklaw Primary School. I'll take a picture next time I'm passing. GullibleKit 18:24, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Local Clubs and Organisations Section?

I am somewhat disappointed to see some of the external links removed from this page as I believe this to go against one of the main key policies of Wikepedia - "Respect other contributors". Just because the page editor at the time has no interest in some of the local clubs and organisations, does not necessarily mean that the next person to read the article shares that viewpoint. Feel free to re-factor/re-structure/re-vamp the content, but please don’t delete the content just because it is of no interest to you! I fully appreciate that Wikipedia should not be bogged down with hundreds of external links, but surely some can be of interest to both local people and also to other site visitors? So with this is mind I propose that another section is created to house these links to “Local Clubs and Organisations”.

Why is EK Chess Club any different from Greenhills Dynamo? I cannot understand why my contribution is deleted????? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bhoywunda (talk • contribs) 11:37, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

I think you'd need to demonstrate to us why Greenhills Dynamo is notable enough to be included. Have a look at other towns' wiki pages and you'll see it's usually only the league teams who are mentioned. Davidmcn1972 (talk) 16:42, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

More notably we're one the most successful amateur teams in EK...what have the Chess Club. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bhoywunda (talk • contribs) 15:42, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Chess club

Why was the EK Chess Club deleted? It's been going for 43 years and this year was promoted to the First Division in the Glasgow League. There should be a Club section here so the sports fans don't get upset. Wikidexplorer (talk) 01:12, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Well, chess clubs aren't very notable, I guess. Chess isn't that popular. Articles about towns are supposed to give an "encyclopedic" understanding of the entity. "Encyclopedic" is subject to interpretation, but for a start, ask: would Britannica include this info? Granted we don't have the cost structure that Britannica has, so we can include more info than them, but there's a limit. Herostratus (talk) 02:35, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

You think one sentence used a whole lot of resources? What about say, Bearsden's entry? Do you want to delete the chess club info there, too? The point is, an entry in Wikipedia has more uses than your encyclopedic definition. There are other sites (and smartphone apps) which display "nearest club" etc and take their info from Wikipedia. So why should a resident of EK be told their nearest chess club is Bearsden just because you don't think the correct answer deserves any space? Wikidexplorer (talk) 23:40, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Of course with Chess being such a minority sport in this country, it is any wonder we come up against these prejuices. For the Record, The Chess association in Scotland is one of the oldest in the world, We have some of the oldest clubs and people actively look for them. We also have EK Chess Club members making up a vast majority of the team who are running the Commonwealth Chess Championships in 2014 in Glasgow. But don't let that stop your censorship — Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.244.62.209 (talk) 13:59, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Merging Area Articles

I'd argue that each area within East Kilbride are not notable by themselves, perhaps they should all be merged either into this article or one 'Area's of EK' article. Any opinions? No Way Back 10:42, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

It would seem to be a sensible idea. Fraslet 12:30, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't agree, specifically because I'm aiming to upload photos for each seperate area. High Whitehills and Whitehills could be merged though, as they are the exact same area, usually referred to just as Whitehills. GullibleKit 19:00, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't agree either and see the various areas/schemes within East Kilbride as separate entities, deserving of their own space.

Why was my section on Greenhills Dynamo removed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.74.188.34 (talk) 13:36, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Re-Vamping The Article

I'm going to go grab some photo's sometime in the near future, I've redone the Area's in EK bit to make it look a little prettier until I can get enough material together to write something on each area and put it all on this page. They're not really worth their own page. Added the side bar for general stats too - I'm not sure what the postal codes are (the one's listed are Glasgow's, not EK specifically) so if anyone else knows them, that would help.

I removed a fair few links, mostly because Wikipedia is not a place to advertise clubs. The one's I've left are general information resources and seem to be relativley non-biased. No Way Back 13:17, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Postal codes updated. GullibleKit 18:22, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

David Ure Quote

I don't mind it in the article. It reads like Point of View, but I think that's okay if you're quoting. I added a cite tag though since I can't seem to find the quote on-line, just plenty of info on Ure. I'm not happy with the format of it though, if anyone has any ideas, I'm open to them . No Way Back 21:04, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Industry and commerce

I've put an 'industry and commerce' heading to mention NEL. Other might like to add more under that heading.RDT2 11:38, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

gaelic name

I suggested removing the gaelic translation of the town name. But someone reverted it back. They argued that since theres a small community of gaelic speakers then it should stay. However there are also small communities of Urdu speakers, should we have an Urdu translation of east kilbride added too? How about Polish? Turkish? etc. Gaelic isnt an historical language in the town either. Prior to the adoption of Old Scots (or Old Englisc) we were speaking Brythonic or Old Welsh. Perhaps we should have the Welsh version added too. Maybe Dwyrain llan Brid? Or something like that. Why not add the Scots version since most folk in the town have some knowledge of the dialect. How would that go? East Kirk o' Breed? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.40.203.253 (talk • contribs) 19:25, 3 December 2006 (UTC).

The village of East Kilbride was founded under its Gaelic name, hundreds of years ago, hence why it has an official Gaelic title and hence why it should be included. 212.219.250.36 10:51, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Do you have any sources that my town was founded under the name Cille Bhrìghde an Ear? I think its more to do with gaelic being one of the officially recognised languages of Scotland than anything else. Anyway, my argument still stands, Kilbride may be of Gaelic origin but the town and region is not an historical Gaelic speaking area.

It is an area which promotes Gaelic speaking - a number of the primary schools and Claremont High teach it. But even if there isn't, all the Scottish town articles give Gaelic names - just look at Glasgow and Hamilton, I doubt the concentration of Gaelic speakers is much higher there, but the Gaelic name is given. In all honesty, what is the problem? GullibleKit 10:34, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

I can barely believe the stupidity of what I am reading. "Kilbride may be of Gaelic origin but the town and region is not an historical Gaelic speaking area" - self-evidently there is a history of Gaelic being spoken in the area if the town has a name derived from Gaelic! "should we have an Urdu translation" - whether you like it or not, we in Scotland, and no-one else, are the custodians of Scottish Gaelic. If your pathetic Scottish cringe and self-loathing makes you feel the need to justify everything Scottish you are unable to simply jettison in terms of what it means for other cultures and traditions then you can at least accept we have a responsibility to the world community to preserve our own contribution to its diversity. For goodness sake, I wouldn't expect someone in Mumbai to provide translations of everything into Gaelic or Scots despite the significant contribution Scots made to that regions legal and educational systems.

Out with the Garlic. The self loathing too. And the cringe . . . Is this an encyclopedia as developed firstly in Scotland, remember the Britannica . . . not much garlic there. Remcee (talk) 14:19, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

No idea what half of this vituperative Scottish nationalist bilge even means. It's pretentious and culturally false to provide the Gaelic translation of East Kilbride in this way, and, as the comments above show, motivated by nationalist ideology rather than the real common usage. Gaelic was not spoken in the lowlands historically; contemporarily its a minority language here, much more so than Chinese or sub-continental languages. We could provide the Old Scots name -- except that it would probably simply be "East Kilbride". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.105.205.27 (talk) 11:20, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Also, the argument "self-evidently there is a history of Gaelic being spoken in the area if the town has a name derived from Gaelic! " is not right. Have you ever heard of a "loan word"? Place names often have linguistic origins beyond the languages actually spoken there. Would you like us to translate "City of London" into Latin because Londinium was founded by the Romans?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.105.205.27 (talk) 11:25, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Got to agree, no idea why our Town has to be tagged with some pretty random Gaelic translation considering it was never spoken down here and East Kilbride has never had a Gaelic name apart from when whoever decided to stick East Kilbride in some translator. If its a highland town with a historical Gaelic originating name then fair enough but it makes no sense to just tag a town with a random Gaelic name. More people probably speak Urdu here rather than Gaelic so its just really inaccurate, unencyclopedic, unwelcome and unwarranted. The Gaelic translation should be removed from towns and cities which never spoke Gaelic before, because it is distorting lowland historical facts with uncalled for highland sentimentalism.

Also ill add this, since less than 1% of the entire Scottish population actually understand and can read and speak Gaelic, tagging a Gaelic translation to every Scottish town and city is completely over the top and irrelevant considering not only that but that it was never even spoken in the Lowlands to begin with. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.132.138.157 (talk) 19:22, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Population

According to mid-2004 population estimates East Kilbride's population is 73,820. This would make it the 7th largest settlement in Scotland behind the settlements of Glasgow, Edinburgh, Aberdeen, Dundee, Falkirk and Dunfermline, with 75,600. Not much in it between EK and Dunfermline, I know, but should the article be changed to refect this? Benson85 22:51, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Don't know where you are getting your figures from. Both Falkirk and Dunfermline are considerably smaller than East Kilbride (circa 35,000) As stated in the article East Kilbride is 6th behind Glasgow, Edinburgh, Aberdeen, Dundee and Paisley. 194.200.145.5 15:21, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Street Naming Policy

Should there be a section on the distinctive street naming policy in East Kilbride (i.e. St Leonards: Glens, Lochs; Greenhills: Trees; Westwood; Canadian towns and so on)? Is this kind of thematic naming common in other new towns? Davetracy 00:34, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

• I know that Cumbernauld also has this style of street naming so I would guess that other New Towns would have it as well.Mountain Sport 14:13, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Significant Buildings

I would like to see more mention of significant buildings with some details of their role in the community.
For example, does anyone know much about the following

Weaver Cottages on the road from the village to Calderwood
Montgomery Arms
Louping-on-stane
Old Parish Church and manse
Toll Booth on the edge of the village
Torrance Hotel
Village School
Railway line and bridges
etc Remcee 03:59, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Possible Merger

I'm considering incorporating this article on East Kilbride under an umbrella article and entitling it Shitholes. Any thoughts?

• Grow up you idiot, and dont be a dick. ← κεηηε∂γ ^{(shout at me)} 09:32, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
• I agree...to some extent. In my view East Kilbride is not an attractive place, however, it would not help to merge it under that particular category. Perhaps a sub-category called 'Towns that have been described as Shitholes' would be more apt. In this case, the main East Kilbride entry can remain. I would like to add that the reply to the original entry is somewhat inflamatory and I am shocked at the author's response.
• Nae bother sir. However, it was indeed clear that he was being a childish idiot, and the "dont be a dick" part is actually a wikipedia policy (well, not quite, but its an essay on how to act). click the link and you shall see... My response stands. Sorry you feel differently. ← κεηηε∂γ ^{(shout at me)} 09:38, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Also, i recommend you sign your talk pages, by typing four tildes (~~~~) so we know who you are, when you type them (~~~~) it gives a display like this -> ← κεηηε∂γ ^{(shout at me)} 09:40, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Map

The infobox automatically generates a local map - at present, the most appropriate local map is of Scotland. It is deliberately set up to default to this, rather than presenting a random selection of maps on articles on nearby places. Warofdreams talk 20:34, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Infobox photo

The photo in the infobox is completely unrepresentative of the town, and presents a twee and saccarine romanticised image of what was a radical and bold experiment in architecture and urban planning. There are fantastic and iconic modern buildings in EK which much better sum up the spirit of the place; what about the Dollan Baths or, if we must stick with a church, St. Brides?86.1.196.156 (talk) 00:28, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

The pictures are abysmal. Whoever took them seems to want to play up the degredation of some parts of the town. Why are we seeing pictures of old council houses/flats, when the photographer could have turned 180" around and gotten a shot of the modern town centre and outlying buildings? I'll take some with my iPhone and upload them. 86.143.61.107 (talk) 19:44, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Notable People

This section is out of hand when people like Allan Scott are being added. For what? At this rate anyone that's won the sack race at Duncanrig should be included. Nice man but... This is just not notable.BeckenhamBear (talk) 19:25, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Orwell is not normally referred to as a "cult" author. What is the cult?

External link discussion

A discussion which may interest editors of this article has been stated at WP:ELN#eastkilbride.co.uk regarding an external link currently in use on this article. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 06:45, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Per WP:EL, "The burden of providing this justification is on the person who wants to include an external link." - thus far, the WP:ELN discussion hasn't established a consensus for inclusion of the disputed link, so I will be removing them later this week. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 02:44, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

I would not recommend doing that. It is de facto standard to have links like this in town sites, so removing this one would be idiosyncratic. Herostratus (talk) 03:44, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

I asked for more guidance here: Wikipedia talk:External links#Links to town news sites in town articles?. Probably an RfC is in order, but let's see if anyone has useful guidance first, perhaps this has been discussed and settled elsewhere. Herostratus (talk) 04:14, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Actually, these types of links are NOT a de facto standard in city articles, as I demonstrated at the existing ELN discussion. I've replied further at the new discussion location. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 06:56, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Following up on the two conversations, I'm going to remove the link now. Per the WP:EL statement "The burden of providing this justification is on the person who wants to include an external link.", there's still no consensus for the inclusion. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 19:57, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Scots name

Whats wrong with having it's Scots name if we have Gaelic? Someone just reverted my edit and didn't explain the contradictions in that, Scots was the dominant language in the Central Belt. Let's have a discussion instead of just reverting in, perhaps, bad faith. Joseph1990 (talk) 20:18, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

The issue is not the inclusion of a Scots name, it's the inclusion of a an unsourced and apparently dubious name. Do you have a source? Is this your own neologism? Plain east is the most common Scots name for east, rendering East Kilbride as, er, East Kilbride. I've also, rarely, seen eist, est and aist; never eest. Doddy Wuid (talk) 22:49, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

The Scots Wikipedia has English "east" as being, in traditional Scots, "east", so... Herostratus (talk) 00:04, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

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Sanderson High School (East Kilbride)

Hello, I have created a small draft for Sanderson High School. Draft:Sanderson High School (East Kilbride). It has got a lot of sources so I think it is notable. I need more experienced editors help because I’m not very good at Wikipedia. I started the Lesmahagow High School page. Sahaib3005 (talk) 19:07, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

It would be better to have a diversity of sources, as the draft heavily relies on the Daily Record (which editors may feel somewhat unreliable, as it's a tabloid). And the footnotes should support specific facts, rather than being a list of newspaper links that just support the basic fact that there is a highschool with this name in East Kilbride. But you've got the basic formatting and infobox, so good work. I'll have a hunt around Commons and see if there isn't a photo of the school. -- Finlay McWalter··–·Talk 19:31, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

There is File:Sanderson High School (geograph 2989961).jpg, but it's not very good (it doesn't show the school at all well). -- Finlay McWalter··–·Talk 19:34, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

Also: refs should have the date of the story, not just when you retrieved the ref. Additionally, it seems the school moved to its current location in 2009, so the article should explain where it was originally, why it moved, when, and some discussion of its campus. And - why is it so small? High Schools in Scotland (except maybe in very remote places like the Highlands and Islands) tend to have about 800 or more pupils, yet this one had only 90 in 2009 and 111 now. There has to be a reason for this (why its pupils didn't just get sent to another high school), so the article should explain why. -- Finlay McWalter··–·Talk 19:47, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

Lidl

Why haven't we mentioned Lidl it's a good lidle 194.81.231.99 (talk) 14:55, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Population year error

In the infobox, the population figure is given as a "mid−2,020 est." I've no how idea to change it that to the year 2020, rather than the number 2,020, because it's all controlled by templates.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 11:14, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Spurious and mistaken entries based on poor sources re. Christian context of Saint Bridgid dedication.

It has become apparent that at some earlier period in the editing of this Wikipedia article, that the section relating to Saint Brigid and the presence of culdees was reformed with a lot of jumbled mistaken and out of context content. As it was, it not only misrepresents prevailing academic consensus based on recent and robust published sources, but also makes spurious references to things not contained in the sources mentioned. Some of the problems relate to an overinvestment in culdees and their relationship with kil- place-names, but without realising that this conversation has no relevance to the southwest of Scotland, despite the slight 'possibility' of culdee influence. Other issues relate to very old sources or sources penned by accountants in the 1970s with no grounding in Scottish history or linguistics. The latter in this case includes a flimsy pamphlet distributed to primary schools by the late W. Niven. These are not reliable sources nor sources reflecting skilled linguistic and topographical analysis. There are also parts that seem to be fabricated - not reflecting source content. It is well understood that there is no evidence of Culdee involvement in the Christianisation of this part of Scotland, and the cult of Bridget has been confidently ascribed by later academics to the rise of Hiberno-Gaelic-speaking culture or an earlier Irish coastal influence in the Ayshire/Lanarkshire area. It is not a one-size-fits-all for Bridget dedications across Scotland because there are cultural and territorial barriers that were at play - Alt Clut vs. Pictland vs. Dalriada vs. Goddodin. The previous version on Wiki also used place-name analysis relating to other parts of Scotland entirely, irrelevant to East Kilbride. In effect, the whole passage is nonsense and needs serious revision and reference to sources of credible place-name analysis, or to Scottish studies or early Scottish ecclesiastical history. I am seeking to make revisions to the affected section, while removing/replacing much content that isn't even relevant to an article on Kilbride's Christian etymology. 82.43.88.129 (talk) 01:27, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Suggestion that list of notable people has been seriously cut

At some point in the earlier history of this page, a very high quality list of famous associations with links to relevant Wikipedia pages has been removed. The list now not only omits many of the historical figures such as the preeminent doctors John and William Hunter from the 18th century, but also such modern names as author and broadcaster Muriel Gray. A very large number of successful bands such as Marmalade and Blue have also vanished, yet a relatively unknown minor band (one of over 150 the town had had) are included. Really quite important references to the dramatist Joanna Baillie, the poet John Struthers, and the naturalist and historian David Ure, are also very noticeable removals, despite Wikipedia pages and published biographies existing for these figures. It is reasonable to say that the removals amount to Wiki vandalism. I am unable to find when this change happened and it may be several years ago. As it stands, the present notable persons section is not fit for purpose on the East Kilbride Wikipedia page. 82.43.88.129 (talk) 03:00, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

You're probably talking about [1] (not difficult to find), where the list was removed due to being almost entirely unsourced, and having been tagged as such for over two years. Crowsus (talk) 06:54, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Most of the articles in question have sources for these locations being the place of birth etc. Surely it wouldn't be hard to just find those? Eastwood Park and strabane (talk) 11:53, 13 August 2024 (UTC)