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The Signal (podcast) was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 9 July 2021 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into Firefly (TV series). The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here.

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Buffy the Vampire Slayer Magazine 5, December 2002, Titan Magazine

Comment: apparently some comments from Whedon on the series there, unsure how extensive

Fandom addition

IAW the request atop the "Fandom" section, I present the following for vetting and incorporating.

The multiple-award-winning podcast The Signal was developed by fans as guerrilla marketing to promote Serenity.^[1]

References

^ Walch, Rob; Lafferty, Mur (June 2006). "Podcast Genres". Tricks of the Podcasting Masters. United States: Que Publishing. p. 81. ISBN 0-7897-3574-1.

— Fourthords | =Λ= | 05:18, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Horrorshow

I added a line about the song In by Horrorshow, which features a sample of Nathan Fillion as Mal. I don't have any references for it beyond the song simply existing. Would a reference link to the song on youtube be a valid reference or would that be against WP:PROMO
Kaotac (talk) 01:54, 9 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The YouTube link would not be valid because it's a self-reference. That piece of information is fairly trivial so you'd need reliable third-party sources that talk about it to establish its notability; otherwise it's just trivia. Drovethrughosts (talk) 13:09, 9 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Also for us to claim that the song is using a sample of Mal, would be original research if we're just listening to it and saying "yup, that's a Firefly sample." We'd need a third party reference to back that up. And even then, I'm going to be honest, a minor sample in a song isn't exactly anything significant to be in such a section, it's trivial. Canterbury Tail talk 13:45, 9 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No Asian characters, Firefly is racist

I deleted that paragraph. I hate to be that guy but I think it's justified in this case.

First of all, the link was dead. Secondly, it's needlessly inflammatory to include every person's moral objection to a franchise. Sometimes there is a well-documented controversy that warrants inclusion, but that doesn't seem to be the case here.

If I'm wrong, and there is something notable about Firefly's racial makeup, then surely the deleted material can be replaced with something better. There are Asian American anti-racism groups that regularly screen media for Asian representation, maybe they can provide a more nuanced take on a 20-year-old series that was canceled before half a season? 2603:7081:1603:A300:F12B:7FA3:29AF:8D5E (talk) 01:27, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The lack of Asian characters is mentioned in the article, in Critical response section. -Fnlayson (talk) 01:47, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

is Serenity not a freighter?

Doesn't Jayne say (possibly at the beginning of "The Train Job"), "fools don't know a freighter ain't armed"? —Tamfang (talk) 19:57, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jayne says "damn yokels, can't even tell a transport ship ain't got no guns on it". A freighter transports goods and materials, a transport is more versatile and can transport other things such as passengers, which the Firefly class is. I've never come across a source that describes the Serenity, or Firefly class, as a freighter. Ultimately it's down to reliable sources, unless we have a reliable source we can quote, lets not subclassify the ship. Canterbury Tail talk 20:27, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved

—Tamfang (talk) 02:32, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(e/c) Yes, that seems to be the right episode: "Train Job" cliff image about to be saved by Serenity. -Fnlayson (talk) 20:33, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[2006-06_Podcasting_Masters-1] Walch, Rob; Lafferty, Mur (June 2006). "Podcast Genres". Tricks of the Podcasting Masters. United States: Que Publishing. p. 81. ISBN 0-7897-3574-1.

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