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Naming conventions...

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Hi all, i've been trying to fill in some of the dead links of Japanese political parties, just want to make sure i'm using the right names. i've been sticking strictly to english for titles, but in some cases it seems strange. for instance, komeito is more or less accepted in english, but others are hard to pick. in the case of taiyoto, i went with sun party, but that sounds ridiculous. should it be a convention that excepting komeito, we should always use english? ive already noticed other inconsistencies with shinshinto and new frontier in various articles --Munster 02:13, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

~~I agree. I do think only with Komeito Japanese is normal in English, maybe Shinshinto. Gangulf 18:55, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

People's New Party

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Where does this new party belong? Major party? Yodakii 04:57, 22 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

References to party's "Importance"

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Could the editors please refrain from using terms with a wieghted bias such as "This party is not popular in Japan" and "The JSP is smaller, less important and not as popular as the JCP." Small parties are not nessesarily unpopular. Also which parties are "defunct" is a subjective opinion.

Theocratic Buddhism?

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I smiled when I saw the New Komeito referred to as a "theocratic Buddhist party". Dictionary.com defines "theocracy" as "a form of government in which God or a deity is recognized as the supreme civil ruler, the God's or deity's laws being interpreted by the ecclesiastical authorities." Needless to say, the "theo" in "theocracy" refers to God. Since Buddhism is neither theistic nor pantheistic, the phrase "theocratic Buddhist" seems like a contradiction. Perhaps we should delete the word "theocratic" and simply use the phrase "Buddhist party". Marcello09 01:17, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's a conflation. Old School Buddhism (as originally taught) has no god. Not the case for most modern branches of Buddhism (including most Japanese Buddhists), which in fact has deities (and mythological creatures, miracles, and other make believe things added on). It would be as wrong to connect these two different belief systems as it is to say that all Muslims are Christians because they believe in Jesus Christ (which they do). In actuality, Muslims believe that Jesus is a muslim himself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.75.247.231 (talk) 03:32, 18 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Translations

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I added a number of parties to the list (and want to continue with the postwar parties later; but those are not too problematic as they usually have "official" transrations) and tried to keep some consistency in the English translations of similarly-named parties. Maybe some experienced users can help with these particularly ambiguous cases. Should all alternative names be mentioned or one be preferred? And if yes to the latter, which one:

  • Kokumin (CKV guomin, gukmin, quocdan) usually translates as "people/popular/people's" but can also be translated as "national[ist]" (in the context of politics especially to contrast it with 人民 (CJKV renmin/jinmin/inmin/nhandan) which is the (Communist) "people" as in People's Republic – but then there have been few notable jinmintō in Japan (from the top of mind, the Communists in U.S. Okinawa are the only one I can recall))
  • Rō[dō] means "labour" per se, but in party names can also be seen as abbreviation for rōdōsha, "worker[s]".
  • taishū and minshū: "Mass" or "Masses"?
  • (Almost forgot the most common case): Should the opening Nihon be translated as "Japan ..." or "Japanese ..." (Here, I lean towards the latter, but then in some cases, the "Japan" translation is dominant, though as with the other cases mentioned, both translations can usually be found.)
  • Rengō: "League" or "Federation"? (In most cases (e.g. Liberal League), "league" seems to be the translation predominantly used; but with the Social Democratic Federation, "federation" seems more common to me, but some books use use "Social Democratic League")

Translations used in literature vary in all of these cases, I have no preference and am no native speaker. So, I'd be happy to use to whatever users/readers prefer (unless it's "prain Engrish" or otherwise very distorting translations). --Asakura Akira (talk) 11:17, 7 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Party list and party positions

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@Helper201:

  • Why are you adding Party of Hope to the list, when the party already disbanded?
  • Why are you reverting edits to NHK Party's name, which have recently renamed?
  • Why are you using old sources for DPFP and CDP, from when they were different political parties and had different political positions, and also reverting their abbreviation back to their pre-2020 designations?
  • The source you give for Social Democratic Party being "centre-left" is talking about a party of same name in year 1933. Which barely have anything to do with the Soical Democratic Party in modern day Japan.
  • Among sources you added back for LDP,
    • The economist 2014 article do not mention any thing about LDP being right wing. The closest it have is "Pressure from the right is already growing. Shigeru Ishiba, a powerful hawk in the LDP and a rival to the prime minister, believes Mr Abe’s approach to collective self-defence is wishy-washy. Mr Ishiba is likely to reject an offer by Mr Abe that he step down as the LDP’s secretary general in exchange for a security portfolio in the cabinet.", which is just 1 single person in the entire LDP party.
    • In the "Far Right Parties and Movements in Europe, Japan, and the Tea Party in the U.S." source you added back, the closest context it have had to associated "LDP" with "right wing" is the sentence which say "In fact they are members of a bi-partisan group of Diet members whose views are the same as those of the conservative-nationalist segment of the LDP" on the topic of visiting Yasukuni Shrine. This sentence can in no way be interpreted as LDP being a right wing party.
    • In the University of Colorado source you cited, it describe political leaning of LDP as follow: "For the purpose of this paper, political affiliation represents strategic subcultures in which parties identified as one of three groups: left idealists, centrists, or right idealists. The Japanese Socialist Party (JSP), the Japanese Communist Party (JCP), and the Buddhist Clean Government Party (CGP) represented the left idealists, the Democratic Socialist Party (DSP) and factions of the Liberal Democratic Party (LDP) represented the centrists, and the majority of the LDP represented right idealists". This is i.) a classification that is too board in range for the purpose of this list, with anyone who aren't centrists being classified as idealist, and ii.) This put LDP across the span of two of the three listed political positions, hence this source stand against the classification of LDP being a "right wing" political party.
    • The book "Showa: An Inside History of Hirohito's Japan" being cited describe Japan in the era until year 1989 (The Showa era). It is simply outdated, with the two most major event in the post-WWII Japanese political namespace - namely the access to power by left-leaning coalition in 1993 and 2009 defeating the LDP - both of which significantly changed the alignment of political parties in Japan.
    • The book "War Memory, Nationalism and Education in Postwar Japan" being cited also only talked about "a group of right-wing LDP politicians" instead of describing the party as a right wing party, thus it is a failed verification and should be removed from the list of source of claiming LDP as a right wing party.
    • The book "'History Wars' and Reconciliation in Japan and Korea" is also the same, which just mention "right-wing LDP conservatives" and "the right wing of the LDP", which imply there are non-right-wing elements inside LDP.
    • So is the book "Japan's China Policy: A Relational Power Analysis", which mentioned "right-wing and pro-Taiwan Liberal Democratic Party (LDP) Diet members" which again is just describing some members of the LDP instead of as a whole.
  • If you want to keep most of the aforementioned reference to LDP's political position, then to better reflect the content of these sources, the political position of the LDP should be revised into "big tent".
  • The Japanese source being cited for Ishin being conservative, was based on study of 2012 and 2015 votes. They were before the formation of the current Ishin party. Thus I don't think they are valid as a source for the political leaning of the current Ishin party, as a national political party.

You pointed out that consensus should be followed, but from all the stalled discussions among talk page for the party of hope, CDP, and DPFP, I see no consensus being formed even after years of discussion, and regardless of consensus it is just outright wrong to write something that the source do not say and do not back. It further illustrate the need that individual political party pages need to be edited, for which I think it would be more appropriate to discuss here collectively. C933103 (talk) 16:17, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies as I am rather busy in my personal life at the moment so I'm fairly short of time but I should get back to you as soon as I have more free time. Helper201 (talk) 15:52, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Perjorative language

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Here is the link to the Wikipedia entry for Populism. Wikipedia states "Typically, the term is used against others, often in a pejorative sense to discredit opponents". If it is the intention to discredit these parties I suggest leaving the entry unchanged, if it is the intention to list the parties I suggest removing the term "Populism" from party names. "Progressivism Left-wing populism" is derogatory, "Progressivism Left-wing" is not and leaves the reader to determine the facts for themselves. 2A01:4B00:F626:5900:2CEB:9DE1:39FC:6192 (talk) 11:32, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Move discussion in progress

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Governors

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Should we list governors on this page? According to what is written on List of prefectural governors in Japan it states party affiliations are "former". Although I have no idea how accurate this is. If it is accurate then it would appear technically no party has a single governor, which would make listing such a topic here seem pointless. Helper201 (talk) 13:43, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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