Talk:Infinite (Eminem album)

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Citation 2 is broken and if you take the /bio.htm out from the end and goto www.eminemonline.com or whatever, it takes you to a survey spam site.

Citation 3 cannot find the bio info — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.91.144.70 (talk) 04:53, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Producers

Can we get the names of each track's producer? I assume Kon Artis and DJ Head produce some tracks, but which? And I'm sure there are other producers too. -WindFish 02:03, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Speaking of DJ Head, I remember reading somewhere ages ago that he became the D12 member Proof, just like Denaun Porter became Kon Artis, I can't remember my source but I've listed him as such on my tracklisting since. If it's true then it is probably worth mentioning. Tony2Times 12:58, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

The Bass bros. didn't produce the album it was Kon Artis aka Mr. Porter (denaun porter) volumesoxxs 11:35, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

They did not list DJ Rec on Infinite when it came out, and he was one of the producers. He also produced Eminem's underground EP The Slim Shady EP. TomUSA 20:30, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Pre-Slim Shady

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i think it's pretty funny listening to a track like "It's OK" considering what Eminem became on his next album. the chorus sounds like something he'd call "gay" on The Marshall Mathers LP, lol 134.69.166.157 05:52, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

• Can you point to specific lyrics? I'm not sure that statement is warranted. jglc | t | c 19:42, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

If you know anything about the Infinite album, that was him trying to figure out his style. -Rockfist45

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Eminem Infinite

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Hi, I am an avid collector of Eminem Music & Stuff. I am looking for an original Wax or Cassette version of Infinite. Please contact me on malhurst@hotmail.com

Peace

^^Yo, that'll be pretty hard to find; I just found all the tracks and ripped them to a cd.

I saw the casette on eBay ONCE. And it was selling for about $400. Good luck. SlimShady6135 02:56, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

You honestly won't find it originally as it was. My question is, why would someone sell an original copy of Infinite? It is exclusive and rare, the only way to get it is go to iTunes, download all 11 tracks and burn them onto a CD in order. You're not going to find an original that easy, especially not in stores or on a street corner like back in 1996 when it came out. TomUSA 20:25, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

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Removed NPOV comment

text was:

The song "Infinite" is soooo sick, that it will boggle your mind one of the most brilliant raps ever produced, props to Eminem. This was his first song, and may be his best ever, and we know how good he is. -- (James McNally)  (talkpage)  20:27, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Uploaded a new album cover

I found a high-resolution album cover for Infinite a long time ago which I have been using on iTunes. When I saw the small, blurry pic here I decided to add mine. What does everyone think? Justin The Claw 02:36, 23 April 2007 (UTC) HEY i have edited a original tape cover from 1996!! i think its the best cover ever now, but i dont know how to put it in -.- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.130.40.166 (talk) 10:22, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi 84.130.40.166 you can't add a picture unless you're logged in, and please give a source for the picture. TomUSA 20:21, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

When exactly was it released?

The article description itself states 1995, it's categorized as an album released in 1996 at the bottom of the page, and I've come across other sources (such as MusicBrainz) listing it as 1997. Anyone know for sure? Agent Sleeper 12:58, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Infinite was released on November 12, 1996. TomUSA 20:20, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Studio album?

I am pretty sure Infinite qualifies as an EP, no? It is shorter than The Slim Shady EP, which itself is, of course, an EP. The album is not a studio release, much more of a demo or EP I feel. Andre666 (talk) 07:45, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

It may have a demo "feel" but it was recorded in the studio and is a full-length album with 10 cuts and 1 skit. In the case of the Slim Shady EP there are only 6 cuts, with 2 skits and 2 radio edits. JoeD80 (talk) 23:32, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Credits

Why are Proof, Thyme, Eye-Kyu, etc. credited with their stage names, but Kon Artis is credited with his given name? Shouldn't the credits say Kon Artis or "Mr. Porter"? JoeD80 (talk) 19:13, 18 February 2009 (UTC) Whos Eye Kyu????????????????? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.137.51.191 (talk) 19:53, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Unclear information in History section

"In 2003 this album was released, although it seemed legitimate it was most likely pirated, containing many clicks, pops, and other defects in the sound quality. The "European Re-Issue" contains a bonus disc with freestyles and unreleased tracks, no names for these tracks are given on the case."

What does the first sentence refer to? It was "released" in 2003 by whom exactly? And wouldn't it be "re-released", seeing as it was already released in 1996? I presume the second sentence refers to this 2003 release, but it's not clear that it does; it could be talking about a separate re-issue. And who thought it "seemed legitimate"? I get what it's trying to say, but it's pretty messy, and if it's just a pirate is it even notable enough to mention? ElijahReno (talk) 04:05, 30 March 2009 (UTC) on the 2003 re-issue theres no label given and there are 12 bonus tracks. track 3 is 313 and track 4 is It's OK and thats a big mistake dont buy it!!! theres also a 2009 re-release without bonus tracks and the songs are in the right order. but the sound quality is the same as the 2003 release. label is Arelis Record World. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.130.40.166 (talk) 10:33, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Who Is the Guest On "Maxine"

There are three rappers on the song maxine, Eminem, Kon Artis but there's another who isn't named here (he's the last guy rapping on the song his verse sucked). --Siwhat (talk) 09:56, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

The rapper's name is Three. He's a former D12 member. TomUSA 20:19, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Singles

There are three listed singles in the infobox: "313" feat. Eye-Kyu, "Infinite", and "Tonite". These all have exact dates of release. Can anyone give a source to this? I can't find anything, and I honestly believe that it was made up by someone. I seem to remember reading that there were no singles off of Infinite. TomUSA 20:29, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Underground

They should include that this was an underground albulm. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.82.187.246 (talk) 01:31, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Open Mic - not Thyme.

I've been editing this page to specify that it's Kon Artis/Mr Porter on the hook and not Thyme - but it always gets reverted. I'm going to change it again, and I'd like to include my evidence for it:
1. 5 Ela's song "Magestic" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsgiqncdw7I - Start from 0.35. Thyme clearly states "Ask Denaun nigga, if they mistake him for me on Eminem songs..."
2. Eminem' song "Don't Front" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSxtNd_ja6I - Start from 2.24. Eminem says "With Denaun screaming: 'who the fuck passed you the mic'".
3. Listen to the actual song!!! There is no way you can mix up Thyme's voice (check 1. for reference) and Denaun's voice.

Assessment comment

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The article says, quote The album received mixed critical reviews and was met with derision from within the local hip-hop community, earning Eminem unfavourable accusations of copying other rappers' styles, particularly Nas and AZ. "Obviously, I was young and influenced by other artists, and I got a lot of feedback saying that I sounded like Nas and AZ," he admitted. "'Infinite' was me trying to figure out how I wanted my rap style to be, how I wanted to sound on the mic and present myself," he recalls. "It was a growing stage. I felt like Infinite was like a demo that just got pressed up" [1][2][3]. I think it's logical that the local hip hop community met the album with derision. First, he was white. And, more important, we was probably the best MC. Of course his multi-rhyming style is similar to, for example, Nas, but Eminem is Eminem. Concerning the quotation's reference links, one of them is some kind of ad-phishing, the other is expired, and the third doesn't open. So... So, correct it if u know other info or valid quotations. Thats all folks.

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GA Review

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Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 21:07, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

This article is not exactly large, but has been expanded from its delisting and may have GA potential; we'll see during the review. --K. Peake 21:07, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

• Cover art needs alt text and the term "official" is not needed on the main text
• 1995–96 → 1995 in the infobox, since that is when the body backs up it being recorded
• Remove venue parameter because it is for live recordings
• Hip hop genre is unsourced; remove it or find a source and write out in the body
• Replace hlist with bullet points and remove the executive producer per Template:Infobox album
• Target Mr. Porter to Denaun Porter
• Remove mention of all caps stylization, as this is not considered notable for albums
• "on November 12, 1996, by" → "on November 12, 1996, through"
• "with production handled by Mr. Porter," → "with production being handled by Mr. Porter" with the appropriate target
• Why is Proof mentioned as a producer when the body does not list him as one nor does [1]?
• [1] should not be in the lead at all since refs are not supposed to be there
• Target guest vocals to Guest appearance
• Target Proof to Proof (rapper)
• Target Eye-Kyu to D12
• "Three and Thyme," → "Three, and Thyme,"
• "Physical copies of the album were" → "Physical copies of Infinite were"
• The above sentence and the following two are not backed up properly in the body, nor are they by [1]; try and add more sourcing and write this out in the appropriate areas of the body if you can do all of that? Do not worry if you are not sure where to place certain information, as you can ask me and I will be willing to help you.
• Target cassette to Cassette tape
• Target vinyl to Phonograph record
• "sold them out of the trunk" → "sold the copies from the trunk"
• "and only the album's title track Infinite is" → "and only the title track "Infinite" has been made" with the target
• "posted a remaster and remix of the title track," → "posted a remix of the title track that was remastered,"
• "made available digitally for" → "releasing it digitally for" with the target
• "Infinite was a commercial" → "It was a commercial" and this should be the last sentence of the para instead
• "the album received mixed reviews from critics." → "the former received mixed reviews from music critics," with the target and this should be the sentence before the commercial one in the new order and add what critics talked about if you can

Background and recording

• Mark Bass, 2016 → Mark Bass on meeting Eminem, 2016 with the target
• "which has been run by brothers Jeff and Mark Bass." → "which had been run by Jeff and Mark Bass; they are known as the Bass Brothers."
• "job cooking and washing dishes" → "job that involved cooking and washing dishes"
• "restaurant at St. Clair Shores" → "restaurant in St. Clair Shores"
• "recorded in 1995[4] and released" → "recorded in 1995,[4] later being released"
• "under the Bass brothers'" → "by the Bass Brothers'"
• "was encouraged by others," → "was encouraged by others for the album,"
• "Desperate to be embraced by the Motor City's hip-hop scene, Eminem rapped in such a manner that he was accused of sounding like Nas and AZ." This is a full sentence quote from [5], so you should write about the Motor City part of the quote in this section as well as mention the Nas comparisons since you did that for AZ
• Target Mr. Porter to Denaun Porter

Composition

• Retitle to Composition and lyrics
• The "radio-friendly" quote is not backed up by [6]
• "of getting on the air" → "of getting played"
• "radio stations.[6] Only around" → "radio stations;[6] only around"
• "Subjects covered in Infinite included his" → "Subjects covered on Infinite included Eminem"
• "Hailie Jade Mathers, Eminem's newborn daughter while" → "Hailie Jade Mathers, Eminem's newborn daughter, while" with the wikilink per MOS:LINK2SECT
• "and abuse of drugs" → "as well as his abuse of drugs"
• "Eminem recalls:" → "Eminem recalled:"
• I have checked the sources and the quote is not backed up by them; can you fix this?
• Remove target on AZ
• The last para should not be here; move it to the following section as the first para and retitle to Release and reception
• The initial release sentence should start the para; make it something like "On November 12, 1996, Infinite was released by Web Entertainment." and use [3] to back this up, since it did not state the exact release date in the first section so this type of close repetition is fine
• "re-released it as a free download" → "re-released it for free download"
• "for Eminem's comeback album Relapse." → "for Eminem's sixth studio album Relapse (2009); this was his comeback album."
• Target "Infinite" to Infinite (Eminem song)
• "of the album's 20th anniversary, followed by" → "of the album's 20th anniversary five days after the event. The remix was followed by"
• "the making of the album on the same day." → "the making of Infinite, also released on November 17, 2006."
• You can add more about the documentary from [1], plus the same should be done for the remix in the appropriate place (referencing the content in the lead that has not been written out here and it should probably go after the "five days..." part in that sentence but I didn't insert that in my prose suggestion because I was not entirely certain of how to order currently)

Reception

• "exactly how many copies Infinite sold." → "how many copies Infinite exactly sold."
• "in The Way I Am" → "in his autobiography The Way I Am (2008)" with the wikilink
• "other sources state the album" → "other sources stated that the album"
• "hundred copies[2] or even 1,000 copies." → "hundred copies,[2] or even a thousand copies."
• "with the album's lack of success" → "with Infinite's lack of success"
• "alter ego present in his" → "alter ego, which became present in his"
• Mention The Slim Shady EP here, since [1] states information that makes it appropriate for inclusion
• RapReviews.com → RapReviews
• "of the album are mixed." → "of Infinite from music critics were mixed." with the target
• "Rolling Stone states that" → "Mosi Reeves from Rolling Stone stated,"
• "my Christianity'" on "It's O.K."," → "my Christianity through God' on 'It's O.K.'"," with the target
• "large role in his later lyrics." → "large role in his later works' lyrics."
• Jesal Padania's RapReviews review should have quotes written out here like the others
• "Eminem later referred to the album" → "Eminem went on to refer to the album"
• The above sentence should come after all of the reviews
• "from his 2017 album Revival." → "the latter of which is from his ninth studio album Revival (2017)."
• "describes the album as" → "describes Infinite as"
• "and that its" → "and commented that its"
• "be matched by The Marshall Mathers LP." → "be matched by his third studio album The Marshall Mathers LP (2000)."

Track listing

• Target Mr. Porter to Denaun Porter
• Where are the credits for "W.E.G.O. (Interlude)"?
• Target Eye-Kyu to D12
• Workman → Angela Workman
• Target Googie to Googie architecture

Personnel

• Discogs should not be here since it is considered unreliable per WP:ALBUMAVOID; is this even needed though, or is it just a second source alongside the booklet to back up info?

References

• Copyvio score is too high at 45.7% for the Rolling Stone ref
• Make sure all of these are archived by using the tool
• Ref 1 should have the accessdate formatted the same as the other refs for consistency
• Ref 3 should cite the original URL and include the archive separately, or is that not possible for a book source?
• Cite MTV as publisher instead for ref 4
• Remove the publisher from ref 5
• Remove the publisher from ref 6 and fix MOS:QWQ issues
• Rap Reviews → RapReviews on refs 7 and 13, citing as work/website instead
• Allmusic → AllMusic on ref 8, citing as the sole publisher instead and you should replace the URL with this one
• Authorlink Sean Michaels (writer) on ref 9
• Cite Statistic Brain as publisher for ref 11
• Remove wikilink on AllMusic for ref 12 and cite it as the sole publisher instead
• Fix MOS:QWQ issues with ref 14
• Refs 15 and 16 are not reliable sources; remove or replace, I think the latter may be likely since I knew before as an Eminem fan that he mentioned the album in the songs
• WP:OVERLINK of Eminem on ref 18
• Remove ref 19 since that is an unreliable source, as I previously covered

Final comments and verdict

•  On hold for more than a week, as I am giving you more time for this article since it is quite a bit messy and is missing a decent amount of information; definitely improved from before the peer review though. --K. Peake 15:33, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

• Kyle Peake Thank you for reviwing the artical! Can you clarify the comments on the 'References' section mainly the reference number because they have changed. Thanks, — RealFakeKimT 17:36, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

• RealFakeKim To avoid any confusion as a result of changing ref numbers, here is the revision of the article that I reviewed. Also, remove Discogs from being used for the genre as it is unreliable; either add a different source and I will then check it or just remove hip hop altogether. --K. Peake 18:07, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

• Kyle Peake I belive I have addressed all your point. — RealFakeKimT 16:02, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

• RealFakeKim There are still remaining issues that you have not addressed yet, such as the ref in the lead and original research that is not backed up there or in the body, as well as unfixed grammar and ref layout. --K. Peake 08:35, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

• RealFakeKim Are you going to fix the remaining issues, or do you require further help? --K. Peake 14:58, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

• RealFakeKim Sorry but I am going to have to ✗ Fail this article since it has been on hold too long and you have not shown enough interest, plus it is very far from meeting the GA criteria (especially in terms of broadness). --K. Peake 10:00, 16 October 2020 (UTC)