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Filling station was a good article, but it was removed from the list as it no longer met the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. If you can improve it, please do; it may then be renominated.
Review: June 17, 2006. (Reviewed version).

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CAA

Is CAA = "Canadian Aile Association" correct?

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Canadian Automobile Association

Tabletop 06:13, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Fuel grades

The author seems to concentrate too much on European grades and ratings of gasoline. A more complete discussion would mention the AKI metric commonly used ih the United States. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.216.122.126 (talk • contribs) 19:34, 22 September 2005.

Storage

The article does not explain storage mechanisms used by filling station franchisees - underground, tower silo, etc. Also, no mention regarding typical refill frequency contracts.

Requested move 17 November 2022

This discussion was listed at Wikipedia:Move review on 26 November 2022. The result of the move review was procedural close – RM closer reclosed as noted below.

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Per move review, I have agreed to re-close this RM as, other than move 3, the results for move's 1, 2 & 4 as : no consensus. For obvious reasons which I had failed to perceive, this should have been the original result, and for that, I do apologize. Judekkan (talk) 19:39, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Previous closure

The result of the move request was: Pages moved. Despite the divided discussion, not a single editor provided any source or statistic that demonstrates the WP:COMMONNAME. All arguments were based either on some kind of personal view, or experience, and this. The only individual that has demonstrated the common name happens to be the RM initiator via Google Ngram. (closed by non-admin page mover) Judekkan (talk) 23:47, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

– Who even says "filling station"? According to the article, American English uses "gas station" while British English uses "petrol station". Now, in addition to this article being written in American English, per the Google Books Ngram Viewer "gas station" has been the most common name among the three since 1970, and this has apparently also been the case for British English since the 2000s. There are more entries on Google Scholar for "gas station" than "petrol station", and there are more Google News results for "gas station" than "petrol station". InfiniteNexus (talk) 22:54, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support for List of filling station chains in North America since of course the North American name should be used for an article about North America. No opinion on the others (I may or may not return with an opinion on those). A7V2 (talk) 23:25, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support per COMMONNAME.--Ortizesp (talk) 04:45, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support per WP:COMMONNAME, MOS:ENGVAR, and WP:RETAIN. Almost nobody calls this subject a "filling station". The most common term in America is "gas station" and the most common term in the UK is "petrol station". Since this article is written in American English, it should be moved to the most common American term, as an article is supposed to consistently use one variety of English according to our rules and "filling station" is not the American term. And as it appears from the article history that the original title of this article was "Gas station", WP:RETAIN also applies. This article should have never been moved from "Gas station". Rreagan007 (talk) 06:02, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
When was it previously moved? YorkshireExpat (talk) 19:18, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Talk:Grey notes its written in American English even if "grey" is more British than American though as noted there "grey" is used in American English to which is probably why that title is used. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:43, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Not commonly used but at least sometimes. Crouch, Swale (talk) 10:02, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per MOS:COMMONALITY I've never heard the term "Gas station" and while the common name may be "Petrol station" in the UK as the article notes things like diesel and a number of less common things are fuel added to the tanks. No opposition to the 3rd move though as that is specific to North America and the article says "Gas bar" is used. No one is saying the articles should be moved to Petrol station, "Filling station" is a neutral term which RETAIN allows a move from a national term to an international one. Crouch, Swale (talk) 10:40, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Crouch, Swale and MOS:ENGVAR, which clearly states that no variety of English is preferred, and the proposal is to move to the American English name. YorkshireExpat (talk) 16:51, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
But no major English variety has this as the WP:COMMONNAME, so the current title is unfavorable. BhamBoi (talk) 19:39, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
But which English variety should we favour? This isn't American English Wikipedia. YorkshireExpat (talk) 20:10, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If we go for any of the major varieties, the page will end up being renamed. My personal preference, being American is Gas station, but it's not about me. BhamBoi (talk) 07:58, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
From a quick search it appears that the term 'filling station' is favoured in Nigeria! YorkshireExpat (talk) 10:12, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
In American English its common name is "gas station", in British English it is "petrol station". Things other than gasoline/petrol such as diesel and a number of less common fuels. While "filling station" isn't common it is both accurate (as other fuels are used) and international as "gas station" is only used in American English and "petrol station" is only used in British English. While I agree Petrol station would be the WP:COMMONNAME if this was a British only topic and (from what I gather) Gas station would be the common name in an American only topic since we have an international and accurate term (even if less common) we should use it. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:43, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, I'm just pointing out that there is a major variety of English that appears to use 'filling station'. Nigeria's population is currently estimated at over 225 million! YorkshireExpat (talk) 21:22, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose gas is gas not liquid. In ictu oculi (talk) 21:58, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Gas" in this context is short for Gasoline, which is a liquid. Rreagan007 (talk) 07:16, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What about LNG? ;) YorkshireExpat (talk) 22:29, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Or LPG? --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 23:00, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support move somewhere. The current title of "filling station" is not used by anyone, whether in NA or in the UK. As an American, I prefer "gas station", but anything is better than the current status quo. Natg 19 (talk) 22:28, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Move List of filling station chains in North America → List of gas station chains in North America per WP:ENGVAR and WP:NATIONALTIES. Shwcz (talk) 02:45, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nomination. The Google Ngram Viewer graph offered above by the nominator is particularly convincing, as it demonstrates that the usage of "gas station" is dominant in the corpus of published English sources. --Coolcaesar (talk) 19:01, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per MOS:ENGVAR and MOS:COMMONALITY. As to "who even says 'filling station'?", Jimmy Buffett for one. And it's a fairly common, if old-fashioned, term in my neck of the woods. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 21:09, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per MOS:ENGVAR and MOS:COMMONALITY. Most people in the world call it petrol, not gas. "Filling station" is therefore an acceptable compromise. Trust me, whatever you think Google may tell you, we British most certainly do not refer to gas stations! -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:33, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Discussing this move at the closer's talk page

To anyone watching, I disagree with this move and have started a discussion at User_talk:Judekkan. I will look to move to review after this. Thanks. YorkshireExpat (talk) 07:57, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@InfiniteNexus, Jerium, Necrothesp, and YorkshireExpat: In terms of usage in British English a look at the search results on Geograph Britain and Ireland returns 82 for "Gas station" of the 52 shown all but 1 or maybe 2 (both in Ireland) appear to be false positives "Petrol station" returns 4,595 and "Filling station" returns 6,955 from the 58 results shown all appear to be for petrol stations. So while the term "filling station" may be less common in everyday usage it is broader and more global. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:06, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm a little confused on why we were suddenly pinged. The failed RM and MR above occured one year ago, and the page has remained in its current title since. There have been no further developments after that nor attempts to move the page. InfiniteNexus (talk) 20:16, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It worked out fine, let it go :). YorkshireExpat (talk) 08:16, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Just something I was thinking about but it could be useful in the future if there are anymore RMs. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:29, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]