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Redirects for discussion (RfD) is the place where potentially problematic redirects are discussed. Items usually stay listed for a week or so, after which they are deleted, kept, or retargeted.
- If you want to replace an unprotected redirect with an article, do not list it here. Turning redirects into articles is wholly encouraged. Be bold!
- If you want to move a page but a redirect is in the way, do not list it here. For non-controversial cases, place a technical request; if a discussion is required, then start a requested move.
- If you think a redirect points to the wrong target article, this is a good place to discuss the proper target.
- Redirects should not be deleted just because they have no incoming links. Please do not use this as the only reason to delete a redirect. However, redirects that do have incoming links are sometimes deleted, so that is not a sufficient condition for keeping. (See § When should we delete a redirect? for more information.)
Please do not unilaterally rename or change the target of a redirect while it is under discussion. This adds unnecessary complication to the discussion for participants and closers.
Before listing a redirect for discussion
[edit]Please be aware of these general policies, which apply here as elsewhere:
- Wikipedia:Redirect – what redirects are, why they exist, and how they are used.
- Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion – which pages can be deleted without discussion; in particular the "General" and "Redirects" sections.
- Wikipedia:Deletion policy – how we delete things by consensus.
- Wikipedia:Guide to deletion – guidelines on discussion format and shorthand.
The guiding principles of RfD
[edit]- The purpose of a good redirect is to eliminate the possibility that readers will find themselves staring blankly at "Search results 1–10 out of 378" instead of the article they were looking for. If someone could plausibly enter the redirect's name when searching for the target article, it's a good redirect.
- Redirects are cheap. They take up little storage space and use very little bandwidth. It doesn't really hurt things if there are a few of them scattered around. On the flip side, deleting redirects is also cheap because recording the deletion takes up little storage space and uses very little bandwidth. There is no harm in deleting problematic redirects.
- If a good-faith RfD nomination proposes to delete a redirect and has no discussion after at least 7 days, the default result is delete.
- Redirects nominated in contravention of Wikipedia:Redirect will be speedily kept.
- RfD can also serve as a central discussion forum for debates about which page a redirect should target. In cases where retargeting the redirect could be considered controversial, it is advisable to leave a notice on the talk page of the redirect's current target page or the proposed target page to refer readers to the redirect's nomination to allow input and help form consensus for the redirect's target.
- Requests for deletion of redirects from one page's talk page to another's do not need to be listed here. Anyone can remove the redirect by blanking the page. The G6 criterion for speedy deletion may be appropriate.
- In discussions, always ask yourself whether or not a redirect would be helpful to the reader.
When should we delete a redirect?
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This page is transcluded from Wikipedia:Redirect/Deletion reasons. (edit | history) |
The major reasons why deletion of redirects is harmful are:
- a redirect may contain non-trivial edit history;
- if a redirect is reasonably old (or is the result of moving a page that has been there for quite some time), then it is possible that its deletion will break incoming links (such links coming from older revisions of Wikipedia pages, from edit summaries, from other Wikimedia projects or from elsewhere on the internet, do not show up in "What links here").
Therefore consider the deletion only of either harmful redirects or of recent ones.
Reasons for deleting
[edit]You might want to delete a redirect if one or more of the following conditions is met (but note also the exceptions listed below this list):
- The redirect page makes it unreasonably difficult for users to locate similarly named articles via the search engine. For example, if the user searches for "New Articles", and is redirected to a disambiguation page for "Articles", it would take much longer to get to the newly added articles on Wikipedia.
- The redirect might cause confusion. For example, if "Adam B. Smith" was redirected to "Andrew B. Smith", because Andrew was accidentally called Adam in one source, this could cause confusion with the article on Adam Smith, so the redirect should be deleted.
- The redirect is offensive or abusive, such as redirecting "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" to "Joe Bloggs" (unless "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" is legitimately discussed in the article), or "Joe Bloggs" to "Loser". (Speedy deletion criterion G10 and G3 may apply.) See also § Neutrality of redirects.
- The redirect constitutes self-promotion or spam. (Speedy deletion criterion G11 may apply.)
- The redirect makes no sense, such as redirecting "Apple" to "Orange". (Speedy deletion criterion G1 may apply.)
- It is a cross-namespace redirect out of article space, such as one pointing into the User or Wikipedia namespace. The major exception to this rule are the pseudo-namespace shortcut redirects, which technically are in the main article space. Some long-standing cross-namespace redirects are also kept because of their long-standing history and potential usefulness. "MOS:" redirects, for example, were an exception to this rule until they became their own namespace in 2024. (Note also the existence of namespace aliases such as WP:. Speedy deletion criterion R2 may apply if the target namespace is something other than Category:, Template:, Wikipedia:, Help:, or Portal:.)
- If the redirect is broken, meaning it redirects to an article that does not exist, it can be immediately deleted under speedy deletion criterion G8. You should check that there is not an alternative place it could be appropriately redirected to first and that it has not become broken through vandalism.
- If the redirect is a novel or very obscure synonym for an article name that is not mentioned in the target, it is unlikely to be useful. In particular, redirects in a language other than English to a page whose subject is unrelated to that language (or a culture that speaks that language) should generally not be created. (Implausible typos or misnomers are candidates for speedy deletion criterion R3, if recently created.)
- If the target article needs to be moved to the redirect title, but the redirect has been edited before and has a history of its own, then the title needs to be freed up to make way for the move. If the move is uncontroversial, tag the redirect for G6 speedy deletion, or alternatively (with the
suppressredirect
user right; available to page movers and admins), perform a round-robin move. If not, take the article to Requested moves. - If the redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article, and the target article contains virtually no information on the subject.
Reasons for not deleting
[edit]However, avoid deleting such redirects if:
- They have a potentially useful page history, or an edit history that should be kept to comply with the licensing requirements for a merge (see Wikipedia:Merge and delete). On the other hand, if the redirect was created by renaming a page with that name, and the page history just mentions the renaming, and for one of the reasons above you want to delete the page, copy the page history to the Talk page of the article it redirects to. The act of renaming is useful page history, and even more so if there has been discussion on the page name.
- They would aid accidental linking and make the creation of duplicate articles less likely, whether by redirecting a plural to a singular, by redirecting a frequent misspelling to a correct spelling, by redirecting a misnomer to a correct term, by redirecting to a synonym, etc. In other words, redirects with no incoming links are not candidates for deletion on those grounds because they are of benefit to the browsing user. Some extra vigilance by editors will be required to minimize the occurrence of those frequent misspellings in article text because the linkified misspellings will not appear as broken links; consider tagging the redirect with the {{R from misspelling}} template to assist editors in monitoring these misspellings.
- They aid searches on certain terms. For example, users who might see the "Keystone State" mentioned somewhere but do not know what that refers to will be able to find out at the Pennsylvania (target) article.
- Deleting redirects runs the risk of breaking incoming or internal links. For example, redirects resulting from page moves should not normally be deleted without good reason. Links that have existed for a significant length of time, including CamelCase links (e.g. WolVes) and old subpage links, should be left alone in case there are any existing links on external pages pointing to them. See also Wikipedia:Link rot § Link rot on non-Wikimedia sites.
- Someone finds them useful. Hint: If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do. You might not find it useful—this is not because the other person is being untruthful, but because you browse Wikipedia in different ways. Evidence of usage can be gauged by using the wikishark or pageviews tool on the redirect to see the number of views it gets.
- The redirect is to a closely related word form, such as a plural form to a singular form.
Neutrality of redirects
[edit]Just as article titles using non-neutral language are permitted in some circumstances, so are such redirects. Because redirects are less visible to readers, more latitude is allowed in their names, therefore perceived lack of neutrality in redirect names is not a sufficient reason for their deletion. In most cases, non-neutral but verifiable redirects should point to neutrally titled articles about the subject of the term. Non-neutral redirects may be tagged with {{R from non-neutral name}}
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Non-neutral redirects are commonly created for three reasons:
- Articles that are created using non-neutral titles are routinely moved to a new neutral title, which leaves behind the old non-neutral title as a working redirect (e.g. Climategate → Climatic Research Unit email controversy).
- Articles created as POV forks may be deleted and replaced by a redirect pointing towards the article from which the fork originated (e.g. Barack Obama Muslim rumor → deleted and now redirected to Barack Obama religion conspiracy theories).
- The subject matter of articles may be represented by some sources outside Wikipedia in non-neutral terms. Such terms are generally avoided in Wikipedia article titles, per the words to avoid guidelines and the general neutral point of view policy. For instance the non-neutral expression "Attorneygate" is used to redirect to the neutrally titled Dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy. The article in question has never used that title, but the redirect was created to provide an alternative means of reaching it because a number of press reports use the term.
The exceptions to this rule would be redirects that are not established terms and are unlikely to be useful, and therefore may be nominated for deletion, perhaps under deletion reason #3. However, if a redirect represents an established term that is used in multiple mainstream reliable sources, it should be kept even if non-neutral, as it will facilitate searches on such terms. Please keep in mind that RfD is not the place to resolve most editorial disputes.
Closing notes
[edit]- Details at Administrator instructions for RfD
Nominations should remain open, per policy, about a week before they are closed, unless they meet the general criteria for speedy deletion, the criteria for speedy deletion of a redirect, or are not valid redirect discussion requests (e.g. are actually move requests).
How to list a redirect for discussion
[edit]STEP I. | Tag the redirect(s).
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STEP II. | List the entry on RfD.
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STEP III. | Notify users.
It is generally considered good practice to notify the creator and main contributors of the redirect(s) that you nominate. may be placed on the creator/main contributors' user talk page to provide notice of the discussion. Please replace RedirectName with the name of the respective creator/main contributors' redirect and use an edit summary such as: Notice of redirect discussion at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion]]
Notices about the RfD discussion may also be left on relevant talk pages. |
- Please consider using What links here to locate other redirects that may be related to the one you are nominating. After going to the redirect target page and selecting "What links here" in the toolbox on the left side of your computer screen, select both "Hide transclusions" and "Hide links" filters to display the redirects to the redirect target page.
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Current list
[edit]Ansem
[edit]weird case, bordering on nonsensical. read at your own risk, this is the most simple and clean way i can possibly put it. "ansem" refers to two characters in kingdom hearts. one is a nerd who likes cosplaying as a mummy, listed here, and the other is a xehanort who stole the name because boys will be boys i guess. the xehanort seems to be the primary topic (if only because he popped up first and is hotter), but not by much, and kh discourse pretty often disambiguates things by referring to the latter as "ansem, (the) seeker of darkness" (or sod) and the former as "ansem the wise". this title has previously been used for redirects for both ansems and a dab for... both ansems (plus two people who were mistaken for an ansem for a few seconds each). opinions on... really, anything? cogsan (χ-BLADE!) (ouchie ouch) 17:00, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and then add Hatnote to Characters of Kingdom Hearts#Ansem the Wise. Xenahort is probably the primary topic as he is a main antagonist. Ansem the Wise seems to be more of a side character/ plot twist. --Lenticel (talk) 00:09, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
Ferruginous Hawk,
[edit]- Ferruginous Hawk, → Ferruginous hawk (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Redirect with only a comma at the end; previously refused R3 Leonidlednev (T, C, L) 16:55, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- delete per nom. seems the redirect may have been misread by the admin when refusing speedy deletion, which is kind of funny, cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:48, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, per nom and cosgan. Even without the capitalization, hurting things here, the comma at the end, makes this redirect implausible. Regards, SONIC678, 23:09, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above --Lenticel (talk) 00:10, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
A?
[edit]Not mentioned in article. Edit summary for creation says "look at the logo" but the logo is "A!" mwwv converse∫edits 17:12, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The old logo when the redir was created in 2022 was "A?", as still shown on it's page in Finnish. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zinderboff (talk • contribs) 18:24, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- delete as vague, regardless of previous logos. seemingly not well-covered enough to warrant keeping, very unlikely that it's the primary topic for a common letter followed by one of two common punctuation marks. also, come on, there's no apostrophe in "its" cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:17, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Cogsan. In addition, this could plausibly be a phonetic misspelling of Eh?. Steel1943 (talk) 19:40, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to A (disambiguation), and itemize there (the university can be listed with 'A?', 'A!', 'A"' (A-double-quote) logo variants; other uses of "A?" can also be listed -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 21:09, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Don't delete — valid search term based on the university logo, but still vague. So leaning towards retargetting to the DAB page. Cremastra (talk) 21:51, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 07:42, 24 September 2024 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Notified of this discussion at the proposed target.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 13:02, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
History of Jats
[edit]- History of Jats → History of Jats (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete the relic after moving to garbage-free name (initial U+200C - ZWNJ). (Not sure if there even is a "R from …" temporary template for similar bad redirs.) —Mykhal (talk) 12:54, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- To translate that nomination rationale: The initial character of this redirect is not "H" but a zero-width non-joiner non-printing character. Thryduulf (talk) 14:35, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment the redirect was at this title for six days from creation until about 25 minutes before this nomination. Thryduulf (talk) 14:37, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
Code phrase
[edit]vague? could refer to passwords or code words, for starters cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:33, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to code word (figure of speech) appears right, with a hatnote to passphrase. Euphemism is way too broad to serve as target. Paradoctor (talk) 21:17, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Per Paradoctor, "euphemisim" is too broad and imprecise; code word (a disambiguation page) seems to cover all the options here, and is my preferred new target, rather than trying to cover contingencies with hatnotes. "Hooray, hooray, for the spinster's sister's daughter!" Cremastra (talk) 17:58, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Retarget to Code word (figure of speech)? Or to Code word?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 07:42, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Code word (figure of speech). The code word disambiguation page actually doesn't have any targets besides this one that fit a code phrase... the other links have to do with the exact match of "code word", like boardgames and puzzles by that name. While the DAB page does have this link, I don't see any reason to send our searcher there. Fieari (talk) 05:07, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to the code word dab, as it has the passcode, access code meanings that Code word (figure of speech) doesn't. Jay 💬 09:34, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per Jay. 1234qwer1234qwer4 16:18, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Still no clear consensus between code word (figure of speech) and code word.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Complex/Rational 23:35, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, mwwv converse∫edits 11:44, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
Stray (film)
[edit]- Stray (film) → Stray#Film (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I just made this edit to Stray regarding the subject mentioned at Stray (video game)#Film adaptation. However, it seems this subject may be the only film subject on Wikipedia titled just "Stray" without "A" or "The" before it, or the plural version "Strays". (See the redirect's current target for more details). For this reason, I am bringing up this discussion to see if my initial thought is a better option that the alternative I implemented: retarget to Stray (video game)#Film adaptation and then add a hatnote there referring back to Stray#Film in the case of ambiguity. Also note the existence of Draft:Stray (film), a draft about the subject mentioned in Stray (video game)#Film adaptation. Steel1943 (talk) 23:46, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose The Stray (film) is a separate article unlike the film here and per WP:SMALLDETAILS "The Stray" is a variant of "Stray" so the absence likely doesn't distingish. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:47, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Reports of black cougars in the United States
[edit]- Reports of black cougars in the United States → Black panther#Reports of "black panthers" in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Reports of black cougars in the United States of America → Black panther#Reports of "black panthers" in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Reports of black cougars in the US → Black panther#Reports of "black panthers" in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Reports of black cougars in the USA → Black panther#Reports of "black panthers" in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Reports of black panthers in Australia → Black panther#Reports of black panthers in Australia (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. Only mention of something resembling this on the English Wikipedia that I could find is Piney_Woods#Folklore, but I'm not sure if this is the only thing a reader could be looking for (and that only applies to the USA redirects). 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:56, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- 1234qwer1234qwer4, apparently the former was essentially blanked by a vandal back in 2012, and never restored. — Qwerfjkltalk 11:52, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Nice catch, @Qwerfjkl. Apparently the section on cougars (cf. Black cougar) was also recently unilaterally removed by @BhagyaMani, who might want to comment here. 1234qwer1234qwer4 12:59, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- I was just playing around with w:de:Benutzer:Schnark/js/artikel-statistik on the article and happened to notice it. — Qwerfjkltalk 16:07, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, I did. At the time, I did not find any WP:RS about black cougar being called black panther, nor any better source than the one referenced in this section stating that
there is no authenticated
record. BhagyaMani (talk) 18:08, 14 September 2024 (UTC)- BhagyaMani, not particularly reliable, but there's https://fishgame.com/2020/01/black-cougars-dont-exist/ which suggests there is some mix-up here. The section seems to be about actual black cougars, rather than the misidentification of black panthers as such. — Qwerfjkltalk 18:56, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Nice catch, @Qwerfjkl. Apparently the section on cougars (cf. Black cougar) was also recently unilaterally removed by @BhagyaMani, who might want to comment here. 1234qwer1234qwer4 12:59, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and restore the section. --Un assiolo (talk) 11:49, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 20:49, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Enwiki has nothing about reports of black cougars in the United States. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:21, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: The section has not been restored. Also there has been no discussion on the Australian entry.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 11:38, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
Hunger protest in Nigeria
[edit]- Hunger protest in Nigeria → End Bad Governance protests (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Hunger protests in Nigeria → End Bad Governance protests (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Too vague. I highly doubt that there has been more than one hunger protest in the history of Nigeria. Delete. -1ctinus📝🗨 00:53, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete just as nom stated. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 01:38, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment would List of protests in Nigeria be a better target. I do think that this target needs expansion. --Lenticel (talk) 00:31, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- To the nominator, Hunger protests in Nigeria has not been tagged as being part of this discussion and I'm guessing the redirect creator has not been notified. Liz Read! Talk! 07:50, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- I've tagged that redirect, it was created by the same editor as the singular who was given a notice about this discussion by 1ctinus when nominating so I've not left a second. Thryduulf (talk) 09:48, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Jimmy Hernandez
[edit]- Jimmy Hernandez → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target, though does occur at Community_Resources_Against_Street_Hoodlums#In_popular_culture and Carl_Johnson_(Grand_Theft_Auto)#Return_to_Los_Santos. There is an unrelated person at African_diaspora_in_Finland#Sportspeople and another one at Omar_Rodríguez-López#Startled_Calf_(1991–1992), however, so I'm not sure this redirect is appropriate without further disambiguation. 1234qwer1234qwer4 00:13, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep for now pending the outcome of Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 12#List of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas characters. If the list is restored, redirect there. Otherwise re-nominate, preferably all of these characters in a single nomination. --Un assiolo (talk) 11:29, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, mwwv converse∫edits 11:35, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment @Un assiolo: and others, the linked rfd was closed as delete. Thryduulf (talk) 14:42, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
Back O' Beyond
[edit]- Back O' Beyond → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
We don't seem to have content on this fictional location, and all search result on Wikipedia are passing mentions (of unrelated topics). 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:06, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I think we need a Back of beyond disambiguation page, linking to wikt:Back of beyond, Back of Beyond, The Back of Beyond, several mentions (a Caribbean film, a play), and similar terms like Boondocks, Black stump, Woop Woop. This would redirect there if there is enough to merit a dab entry. Thryduulf (talk) 12:03, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to a new disambiguation page per Thryduulf -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 23:11, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: We can't retarget this redirect to a page that doesn't exist. Any second choices?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 02:57, 19 September 2024 (UTC)- We could just build the disambiguation page at this location, and then move it to the proposed location by Thryduulf -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 02:11, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Are you volunteering to do this, 64.229.88.34? Please get started. Liz Read! Talk! 04:45, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- We could just build the disambiguation page at this location, and then move it to the proposed location by Thryduulf -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 02:11, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on creating the disambiguation page Back of beyond?
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Darklighter
[edit]- Darklighter → Garrick Hagon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Has some contention over the target of this redirect - whether to redirect to the fictional concept in Charmed (TV series) or one of the Star Wars characters (Biggs Darklighter or apparently his actor). I just moved some history to Darklighter (Charmed) which has some links. No strong opinion on final outcome. Izno (talk) 17:37, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate Biggs Darklighter should lead to List of Star Wars characters#Biggs Darklighter ;; there also being Gavin Darklighter , Empire Volume 2: Darklighter ;; SEEALSO ;; a see also for ;: Dark Light (disambiguation) ;; there also being "dark lighting" or Low-key lighting ;; there also being a "dark highlighter" in makeup ;; there also being dark lightning -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 04:28, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
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Quran Afghanistan
[edit]- Quran Afghanistan → World's Largest Handmade Quran in Afghanistan (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Quran in Afghanistan → World's Largest Handmade Quran in Afghanistan (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Very general term; this Quran doesn't come up in the entire first page of google results. I'm not seeing a primary topic here. Rusalkii (talk) 19:09, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Likewise Quran in Afghanistan . 19:10, 23 September 2024 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rusalkii (talk • contribs)
- I've added that to this discussion. Thryduulf (talk) 19:41, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, mwwv converse∫edits 11:27, 1 October 2024 (UTC)- Delete as classic WP:XY. -1ctinus📝🗨 14:12, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- This is not an XY situation at all, as the redirect only refers to a single topic. It may or may not be vague or ambiguous, but it isn't XY. Thryduulf (talk) Thryduulf (talk) 14:44, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
Häxans förbannelser
[edit]- Häxans förbannelser → Noidan kirot (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Haxans forbannelser → Noidan kirot (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target (nor at the fiwiki sitelink). It doesn't seem like this is directly related? 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:17, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep – seems to be an alternative Swedish title. Cremastra (talk) 21:46, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:35, 23 September 2024 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Yonama dialect
[edit]- Yonama dialect → Tokunoshima language (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No search hits on the target page or on Google. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 11:11, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- The placename Yonama (与那間) in Tokunoshima actually exists, so it's probably an undocumented dialect that's only extracted by the existence of the toponym. If that's the case, it can be deleted.
- My redirects were taken from a .xlsx spreadsheet concerning metadata of Ryukyuan dialects, which is located in the .zip below.
- https://repository.ninjal.ac.jp/records/2000162 Chuterix (talk) 11:22, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
Vocational education and training centers
[edit]- Vocational education and training centers → Xinjiang internment camps (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Vocational education and training centers is really vague and the first thing I think of is not China. Dr vulpes (Talk) 04:59, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Vocational school. I'm guessing the internment camps got a nickname at some point, possibly as a euphemism to avoid censorship, but it seems that this search term should just go to the most obvious target. Fieari (talk) 06:22, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Vocational school. I think this description has been used for the camps in Xinjiang, but certainly not only for that topic, so the current target is at best too narrow. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 13:48, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Vocational school makes the most sense to me as well. Dr vulpes (Talk) 22:08, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
UTRS
[edit]- UTRS → Wikipedia:Unblock Ticket Request System (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Potentially confusing WP:XNR; this is mentioned in GSM-R and in RMMV HX range of tactical trucks as an abbreviation for something else. 1234qwer1234qwer4 00:14, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- disambiguate -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 07:03, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate with a link to Wikipedia:Unblock Ticket Request System included. If someone needs UTRS, there's no reason to make it harder to find. Skynxnex (talk) 14:07, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig, including a {{self-reference}} per Skynxnex. Thryduulf (talk) 14:48, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
Summary style
[edit]- Summary style → Wikipedia:Summary style (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This seems like a plausible generic search and an unhelpful WP:XNR. 1234qwer1234qwer4 00:04, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete non-reader content redirect outside of articlespace; this could refer to how to style a precis or brief -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 07:03, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete potentially confusing WP:CNR that could, theoretically, be expanded into a mainspace article, so WP:REDYES applies. Fieari (talk) 07:20, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Summary news style redirects to Inverted pyramid (journalism), I've not found any other uses but searches are overwhelmed by maintenance templates and excluding them may have resulted in excluding encyclopaedic uses too. Thryduulf (talk) 14:54, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
Third Lebanon War
[edit]- Third Lebanon War → Israel–Hezbollah conflict (2023–present) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No evidence that this conflict is known as the "Third Lebanon war", and it isn't even mentioned at target either. CycloneYoris talk! 22:13, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: It is easy to concieve of this as being a common search term given media reporting. E.g., The Jerusalem Post states "Israel’s Third Lebanon War is underway". TarnishedPathtalk 06:29, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete First off, the comments above by non EC editors should be discounted per WP:ARBECR as such editor~s may only make edit requests and cannot participate in consensus forming discussions. Secondly, this redirect arose as a result of an undiscussed page move that was undone. There is so far little evidence that the Israel–Hezbollah conflict (2023–present) will escalate into a third war, limited incursions notwithstanding, although that is of course possible in the future.Selfstudier (talk) 10:47, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Selfstudier, I've removed the non EC editors' comments per WP:ARBECR. TarnishedPathtalk 12:51, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep plenty of sources using the term to describe this conflict and I've not found any uses of the term to refer to other conflicts. As a second choice, this could be retargetted to the Lebanon War disambiguation page, but in practice this doesn't seem ambiguous. Thryduulf (talk) 13:49, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
GNOME Maps
[edit]- GNOME Maps → GNOME Core Applications#GNOME applications (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Wiktorpyk (talk) 20:32, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep no rationale provided and it is mentioned at the target article. Traumnovelle (talk) 07:57, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Traumnovelle. Thryduulf (talk) 13:49, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
GNOME Tour
[edit]- GNOME Tour → GNOME Core Applications (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Wiktorpyk (talk) 19:54, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep no rationale provided and it is mentioned at the target article. Traumnovelle (talk) 07:57, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Traumnovelle. Thryduulf (talk) 13:50, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
Shamrock Airport
[edit]- Shamrock Airport → List of airports in Texas#Airport (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Targets a list-class article that contains no specific information about the subject. The subject itself seems to fail WP:GNG and WP:NBUILD due to a lack of coverage in WP:SECONDARY sources excluding WP:ROTM mentions in aviation-related government and navigational databases, so it is unlikely that the redirect will ever warrant replacement with a full-blown article. Carguychris (talk) 19:17, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep redirects don't have to meet WP:N (and don't have to have potential to be standalone articles) and particularly since the target has information about the airport that's most closely named to Shamrock Airport this is a generally useful redirect. Skynxnex (talk) 19:25, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Brooklyn Airport, which has "Shamrock Airport" as an alternative name per the signage photo in the article. Targeting a prose article seems more helpful to readers, and a hatnote can always be added if necessary to the list. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 22:09, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
Various Redirects ending in \
[edit]- Tim Weed\ → Tim Weed (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- TF-2000 class frigate/MEKO-A\ → TF-2000-class destroyer (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- CCCP\ → Soviet Union (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Mode of operation\ → Block cipher mode of operation (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Bring a plate\ → Potluck (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Does not appear to be created in error, though it appears WP:UNNATURAL and gets approximately zero monthly page views. I'm not sure what the backslash has to do with the topic. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:13, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
Bundling these for convenience, all have basically the same nomination rationale and similar feature. Fieari (talk) 07:24, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete All - Implausible typo, evidence being that they are basically unused per pageviews. Fieari (talk) 07:25, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all. I strongly suspect these are typos from people who are using US keyboards where \ is adjacent to enter (especially if they are used to UK-layout keyboards where the enter key occupies both spaces), but the same typo could be made for literally any page title and page view evidence suggests they aren't commonly used search terms. Thryduulf (talk) 14:13, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Note though that TF-2000 class frigate/MEKO-A doesn't exist. I have no opinion whether that is a useful search term for the target or not. Thryduulf (talk) 14:14, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Thryduulf, said page was moved to TF-2000 class frigate(MEKO-A) later. My original nomination for this redirect (which got deleted after bundling) also contained that the target page does not mention "MEKO-A". 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:59, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Note though that TF-2000 class frigate/MEKO-A doesn't exist. I have no opinion whether that is a useful search term for the target or not. Thryduulf (talk) 14:14, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
TH hOLLOW TREE
[edit]- TH hOLLOW TREE → The Hollow Tree (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Appears to be a completely implausible redirect. This was the title of the page for roughly half an hour. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:06, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Implausible, no useful history. Fieari (talk) 07:16, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- delete. that's a typo, a caps lock error, and that caps lock error being limited to a single word. i don't trust anyone over the age of zygote to make this many mistakes in a single search cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:54, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. The caps lock error is entirely plausible for someone attempting to type "The Hollow tree" or "the Hollow tree" (the automatic capitalisation of the first letter means the two are indistinguishable), and I explicitly do not endorse the personal attack on the redirect creator. However plausible the caps lock error is or isn't as a search term in isolation though, it definitely is not useful in combination with the missing "e" of "The". Thryduulf (talk) 14:19, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
Shiro sAGISU
[edit]- Shiro sAGISU → Shirō Sagisu (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This was part of a mass nomination in 2019, but I suggest reconsidering this WP:UNNATURAL error that seems to be rather clearly created in error. See also the recent Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 20#NURALIZA oSMAN. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:59, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment this does seem natural, as some people style surnames in all caps, and the mistyped first letter failed to be SHIFTED -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 07:07, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Weak Keep Gets somewhere around 5 hits a year, plus or minus one or two. The plausibility of this typo revolves around accidentally hitting the capslock key at the same time they hit shift for the second word. I don't feel strongly about it, but it seems harmless and WP:CHEAP to keep around, given that it does get some small consistent use over time. Fieari (talk) 07:31, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- delete as at least 2 layers of malformed that the search function can cover anyway cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:48, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
IMAX theatre at iSQUARE
[edit]- IMAX theatre at iSQUARE → ISQUARE (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention of said theatre at target. I guess List_of_cinemas_in_Hong_Kong#UA_Cinemas could be an alternative. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:50, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
The center for teaching and learning
[edit]- The center for teaching and learning → Edgecomb, Maine (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target article (this is a redirect left from a page move long ago when moved to Center for Teaching and Learning which was first BLAR'd to the locality the school in question was in and now has been redirected to be a general article about educational centers. Given this has a leading "the" I have a preference to deletion but think retarget to Teaching and learning center or a better target if found would be fine too. Skynxnex (talk) 17:23, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: I'm the editor who created the redirect 11 years ago while stub-sorting, by moving the non-notable school article to a better title. PamD 18:45, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'm trying to create a page for The Center For Teaching and Learning (https://c-t-l.org/). I am a parent of a child at the school and want to see the school described accurately via Wikipedia. 207Engineering (talk) 19:17, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- I've left a comment about how to best potentially draft such an article on @207Engineering's talk page. Skynxnex (talk) 19:35, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'm trying to create a page for The Center For Teaching and Learning (https://c-t-l.org/). I am a parent of a child at the school and want to see the school described accurately via Wikipedia. 207Engineering (talk) 19:17, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Teaching and learning center as a plausible target for now. Willing to reevaluate if an article is created for the school in Maine, although I question whether the Maine school would be a primary target here. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 22:13, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Teaching and learning center, without prejudice to reviewing WP:PTOPIC status if/when an article on a specific notable school is created. Fieari (talk) 06:20, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Teaching and learning center per Presidentman and Fieari. The one in Edgecomb is far from the only "center for teaching and learning" in existence. 🦬 Beefaloe 🦬 11:09, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
Наумович Городецкий Ефим
[edit]- Наумович Городецкий Ефим → Yefim Gorodetsky (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Nonsensical word order; the patronymic is never named first. The correct Ефим Наумович Городецкий and Городецкий Ефим Наумович already exist. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:13, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
King Roland
[edit]- King Roland → Spaceballs (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Either disambiguate or redirect to List of Sofia the First characters, and target Roland I and Roland II to it, and Minimus is likely mentioned in the nominated target page. Also, I drafted Minimus (disambiguation), but it needs an improvement for the horse character. 88.235.230.49 (talk) 07:30, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Point to Roland (disambiguation) and add uses there -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 07:09, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment the only king mentioned on that dab page is a character in Might and Magic that doesn't have their own page. Roland of Galloway is not mentioned on that page, but rather is listed at Roland (name). Thryduulf (talk) 14:24, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
Ghettosburg Address
[edit]- Ghettosburg Address → Pound Cake speech (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I don't see any reference for this term being applied to Cosby's speech in the article. Further, an old commenter didn't find any reference in his research. Veggies (talk) 04:35, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. References added. Hyphenation Expert (talk) 09:39, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: This discussion originally had listed Talk:Ghettosburg Address listed for discussion by nominator Veggies instead of Ghettosburg Address. Per the nominator's statement and the statement of the vote afterwards, this seems as though it was an unambiguous error, and I have updated this section with the presumably correct nomination information. Steel1943 (talk) 18:49, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Mentioned in lead of article. Fieari (talk) 06:47, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
Ó. А. Лады́женская
[edit]- Ó. А. Лады́женская → Olga Ladyzhenskaya (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
WP:UNNATURAL mistake with the "О́" being a Latin-script letter (apart from the fact that it's pretty much impossible that this is entered with the stress marks, which are only used in Russian in the headings of dictionary/encyclopaedia entries or in linguistics). 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:50, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, I would say keep if the О́ was Cyrillic, but the Latin script Ó makes this redirect utterly implausible and pointless. 🦬 Beefaloe 🦬 11:12, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom --Lenticel (talk) 00:14, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
Mitra Sen Ahir
[edit]This article was cut down to a redirect on the basis that all of the cited sources were unreliable--I agree with this assessment, and was not able to find additional sources in a WP:BEFORE search, nor is there mention at the current target. Seeing as the only connection to the target is on the basis of claims made in unreliable sources and/or invented by an editor, deletion seems more appropriate than maintaining this redirect. signed, Rosguill talk 23:40, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Restore without prejudice to AfD as a contested BLAR. Thryduulf (talk) 00:22, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Restore article as this was BLARed just a day or so ago, and existed as an article for around 14 years. An argument can be made that RfD is an appropriate place to discuss redirects that were created as inappropriate BLARs a long time ago but this is ridiculous. Nomination doesn't even mention the suitability of the redirect (there is no mention in the target at present). A7V2 (talk) 01:03, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete The article itself was based on a non-notable individual who attracted only passing mentions from few sources dating the past centuries. Ratnahastin (talk) 02:02, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Restore article as a contested BLAR. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 03:33, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Restore article - It's not a good idea to use RFD as a way to avoid AFD. We have different standards here, and have a lot less eyes regularly contributing. Fieari (talk) 06:13, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
Flugzeugkollision zwischen Airbus A350-900 XWB (Japan-Airlines-Flug 516) und De Havilland Canada Dash 8-Q300 (japanische Küstenwache) seit 2. Januar 2024 in Flughafen Tokio-Haneda
[edit]- Flugzeugkollision zwischen Airbus A350-900 XWB (Japan-Airlines-Flug 516) und De Havilland Canada Dash 8-Q300 (japanische Küstenwache) seit 2. Januar 2024 in Flughafen Tokio-Haneda → 2024 Haneda Airport runway collision (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Seems to be an incorrect title translation that needs to be verified by a Dutchman/woman. Why is it so long? Delete. -1ctinus📝🗨 23:00, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, not because it's incorrect (it isn't*) or too long (length isn't a reason to delete on it's own) but because there is no affinity between a crash involving two Japanese aircraft at a Japanese airport and Dutch (WP:RFOREIGN). *Google translates this as "Aircraft collision between Airbus A350-900 XWB (Japan Airlines Flight 516) and De Havilland Canada Dash 8-Q300 (Japan Coast Guard) since January 2, 2024 at Tokyo Haneda Airport"; While English would use "on" rather than "since", I believe this is correct in idiomatic Dutch. Thryduulf (talk) 00:30, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- It indeed means "since", though not in
idiomatic Dutch
(did Google Translate not tell you which language it was translating from?) but in German. It's not really a correct way to refer to this. 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:12, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- It indeed means "since", though not in
- Delete, this is German, not Dutch, but the argument still holds: there's no affinity between the language and the subject.—Ketil Trout (<><!) 02:52, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above --Lenticel (talk) 03:01, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
Rule 34 (Internet meme) (version 2)
[edit]Force aérienne royale néerlandaise/Koninklijke Luchtmacht (fait partie de Force armées néerlandaises (11 mars 1953 - il y a 71 ans) in Pays-Bas/onderdeel van Nederlandse krijgsmacht (11 maart 1953 - 71 jaar geleden) in Nederland)
[edit]- Force aérienne royale néerlandaise/Koninklijke Luchtmacht (fait partie de Force armées néerlandaises (11 mars 1953 - il y a 71 ans) in Pays-Bas/onderdeel van Nederlandse krijgsmacht (11 maart 1953 - 71 jaar geleden) in Nederland) → Royal Netherlands Air Force (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Seems to be an incorrect translation that needs to be verified by a Dutchman/woman. Why is it so long? Delete. -1ctinus📝🗨 22:10, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as nonsense. C F A 💬 22:35, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. This is not quite nonsense ("Royal Dutch Air Force/Royal Air Force (part of the Dutch Army Force (11 March 1953 - 71 years ago) in the Netherlands)") and there is obvious affinity between the Dutch language and the Dutch military, but it is an implausible title and will become inaccurate in March next year. Thryduulf (talk) 00:41, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. It's also an odd combination of French and Dutch, making it an unlikely search term.—Ketil Trout (<><!) 02:59, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above --Lenticel (talk) 03:01, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Thryduul above, implausible and will become inaccurate over time. Fieari (talk) 07:33, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
Wpedia
[edit]implausable redirect. No hits on google for usage as a shortform of "Wikipedia" -1ctinus📝🗨 21:45, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as unlikely synonym. --Lenticel (talk) 00:58, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. This is a relatively new redirect so the page view stats are not completely reliable, but it did get hits most days before nomination even after the initial 2-3 day new page spike, suggesting it's a plausible search term. I was also able to find multiple uses of this to refer to Wikipedia, e.g. user:Wpedia User, File:WPedia.svg, File:Marcin WPedia (2).jpg, [1] (see panel on the right side), [2] (reply 4), [3] (reply 5), [4] (comment by "AlivePassenger3859"), [5]. Google also tells me it occurs in this research paper but it isn't in the first two pages which is the only part I can access for free (I've not investigated whether the whole text is available elsewhere). The only other things that come up in search results are a non-notable mirror of Wikipedia and the product code for a diamond abrasive belt for a specific brand of machine sharpener for woodworking tools. Product codes are very rarely good redirects, and in this case we don't have any content about the machine (ProEdge) or even the manufacturer (Robert Sorby) so it definitely isn't a useful search term. Thryduulf (talk) 01:04, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep In common use: [6] [7] Ca talk to me! 01:18, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Could just as likely refer to Wookieepedia ([8] if you insist) or Wowpedia. The moral of the story is that people are lazy typists and will coin novel abbreviations for anything. We don't try to anticpiate or even follow such things unless they're pretty standard. The apparent lack of usefulness for this one is telling. No one is going to have trouble finding information about Wikipedia on Wikipedia because oh noes i wuhz looking for wpedia insted. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 04:34, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per 35.139.154.158. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:13, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
Digital Manga Guild
[edit]- Digital Manga Guild → Digital Manga (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned Isla🏳️⚧ 21:34, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Mentioned now. Xfansd (talk) 23:56, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you so its fine to keep now thank you very much for adding it to the article Isla🏳️⚧ 00:21, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
Sundararaja Perumal Temple, Salem
[edit]- Sundararaja Perumal Temple, Salem → Alagirinathar Temple (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No references in Alagirinathar Temple call it as Sundararaja Perumal Temple, Salem. It is WP:OR. Redtigerxyz Talk 15:55, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Procedural relist for closing an old log.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 20:19, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
Pseudointellectual
[edit]- Pseudointellectual → Intellectual (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Pseudo intellectual → Intellectual (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Target article appears to say little to nothing about pseudo-intellectuals as opposed to legitimate intellectuals. The only time the prefix "pseudo" is used is in the Criticism section where Noam Chomsky criticizes social scientists and technocrats. – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 20:16, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. The meaning of "pseudo" is clear and the rest comes from 'intellectual'; I assume since there is no separate page then the term trivially means "not really intellectual", and the reader might want to know what wikipedia says about intellectals in order to figure out who "pseudeintellectial" is. --Altenmann >talk 21:56, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Either delete per nom (and possibly per WP:RFD#D10/WP:REDYES), or soft redirect to wikitionary wikt:pseudointellectual. Current target doesn't discuss pseudointellectuals or pseudointellectualism. A7V2 (talk) 01:12, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete not my field but it seems that there's a lot of books, news and journal articles about this topic. Might be a good stand alone article in the future per WP:REDLINK. --Lenticel (talk) 01:28, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
List of swears
[edit]No such list at the target; we shouldn't suggest readers that we do. 1234qwer1234qwer4 16:46, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment lists have been deleted multiple times, including following Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of profanities (2006), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of swear words (2007), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Glossary of sexual slurs (2006) and (at these and other titles) many times speedily under multiple criteria (usually A3, G3, and/or G4). The deleted content at this title was just a bulleted list of the Seven dirty words with literally no other content. Thryduulf (talk) 18:03, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I think there is actually scope for some sort of list of lists here, as many of the articles in Category:Profanity and it's subcategories do contain lists (e.g. Four letter word, Italian profanity, Bhojpuri profanity, Mandarin Chinese profanity (almost entirely lists), and Wiktionary has other categories and lists (e.g. wikt:Glossary of Romanian profanity, wikt:Appendix:English censored words, wikt:Category:English vulgarities, wikt:Category:English swear words, wikt:Appendix:Fictional English curse words). We also have Lists of pejorative terms for people, Minced oaths in media, Scunthorpe problem which related lists/articles containing lists but not a suitable target for the redirect. The number of times the various titles have been recreated strongly suggests this is something people are looking for here. Thryduulf (talk) 18:03, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:NOTDIC and similar consensus and discussions at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 August 26#Redirects to Profanity, Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 September 30#Dagnabbit, and several discussions listed at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 September 4. There's just not consensus for this. Steel1943 (talk) 18:42, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'm honestly surprised this isn't a fucking article, but delete per nom. Charlotte (Queen of Hearts • talk) 04:52, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- If it was, then the title would be wrong and/or would have to be speedy deleted as an article that duplicates another article's topic. Steel1943 (talk) 17:51, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
Subvarieties
[edit]- Subvarieties → Algebraic variety (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not sure why this does not redirect to Subvariety. 1234qwer1234qwer4 16:29, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Well, if you look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Subvarieties, you see one link to a philosophy page (which shouldn't be there), and a number of links that require the mathematical meaning. Nothing for the botanical meaning. Charles Matthews (talk) 16:40, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose If you look into Subvariety, its hatnote already lists two extra meanings, making Subvariety (disambiguation) valid page and Subvarieties must redirect there. Not to say there is subvariety (linguistics) and other "subs" for Variety (disambiguation). --Altenmann >talk — Preceding undated comment added 21:53, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Convert Subvariety to a disambig page since it clearly has more than one meaning, then retarget Subvarieties there. The existing article should be moved to something unambiguous like Subvariety (botany). 🦬 Beefaloe 🦬 21:50, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
The game (the game)
[edit]- The game (the game) → The Game (mind game) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Unnecessary duplication (unnecessary duplication). Implausible. Alongside this, congrats on losing the game! mwwv converse∫edits 20:01, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Weak retarget to
The game#Sports and gamesThe Game#Sports and games. Steel1943 (talk) 20:53, 6 September 2024 (UTC) - Delete due to the use of the definite article in the disambiguator. Second choice is to retarget to The game#Sports and games as {{R from incomplete disambiguation}} per Steeel1943. Mdewman6 (talk) 02:00, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: This deletion nomination is just trolling? --MZMcBride (talk) 02:08, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think a WP:GF failure is a valid keep rationale. Steel1943 (talk) 20:51, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete (delete) as an WP:RDAB. I don't see anyone actually being helped by this. If kept, it should be retargeted per Steel. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 21:08, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- WP:RDAB does not apply here; there are technically no errors in the format and potential capitalization (and spelling) errors are irrelevant because it is not a variation of 'disambiguation'. For example, a redirect such as Band (band) would be appropriate for a band named 'Band'. Thus, we cannot write these off wholesale. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 05:11, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep - the rationale for this redirect is that it is referring to the ambiguous phrase the game in the context of something that is specifically known as "the game". This seems at least somewhat plausible, and I don't see anything that would be gained by deletion - no evidence has been put forward that this redirect is causing actual harm. Hog Farm Talk 14:23, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to The game#Sports and games as potentially ambiguous, not opposed to a keep though. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 18:34, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, the disambiguator doesn't disambiguate anything. It's as ambiguous as The Game, so that would be the only target I could (weakly) support. -- Tavix (talk) 03:17, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Tavix. The disambiguation adds no value. Just because one might say "Foobar", only to repeat it a second time, while winking and nodding to send a subtle message (just what I'm imagining in my head; maybe that's what's trying to be done here), it doesn't translate well into text though, and definitely not as a redirect. Apple (apple) is not fair game, and neither is this. Utopes (talk / cont) 05:59, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to The Game#Sports and games Contrastive focus reduplication is a thing so it seems likely that some redirects of this pattern are going to be plausible and useful search terms (not quite the same but e.g. Fenchurch Street (street) is a logical way to distinguish the road from the station named for it) so we shouldn't dismiss this out of hand. This would only be a plausible search term for things called "the game" which could plausible be described as "the game", that applies to at least two entries on the dab page (The Game (mind game) and The Game (dice game) (it might also apply to any of the other entries in that section of the dab except the company, but I've not investigated), neither of which is primary topic. Thryduulf (talk) 12:32, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
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Big Bear (malt liquor)
[edit]- Big Bear (malt liquor) → Pabst Brewing Company (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Big Bear (Malt Liquor) → Pabst Brewing Company (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
R with history. BLAR'd in 2020. No mention of "Big Bear" at the target article. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:26, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- There is Hamm's Brewery#Hamm's Bear as a differential potential target. AFAICT the phrase "Big Bear" originated from Hamm's and was used e.g. as Big Bear Happenings corporate newsletter, December 1972.. But judging from the fact that malt liquor was a 1980's thing and Pabst purchased Hamm's in 1983, the malt liquor originated from Pabst. Not particularly notable. I'd say finish what was started and delete. Mathnerd314159 (talk) 01:35, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
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Smooth variety
[edit]- Smooth variety → Smooth scheme (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Smooth algebraic variety → Singular point of an algebraic variety (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
These should be consistent. 1234qwer1234qwer4 02:29, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- I think both should redirect to "smooth scheme" since that article discusses the topic in more depth with more examples. —- Taku (talk) 04:16, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep both for the moment. Not all readers interested in algebraic geometry are specialists of scheme theory. So, per WP:ASTONISH, the subject must be linked to an article where it is explained in classical terms, and, nevertheless, readers interested in schemes must find an article convenient for them. I wrote "for the moment" because the subject is very poorly described in Wikipedia, and the redirect problem can be correctly resolved only if the articles would be well rewritten.
An example of the poor content of both articles is the fact that none of the articles is clearly linked to Regular ring and none states the fundmental fact that an affine algebraic variety is smooth if and only if its ring of regular functions is regular, or, more generally, that the spectrum of a Noetherian ring is smooth if and only if the ring is regular. D.Lazard (talk) 08:42, 14 September 2024 (UTC)- I agree the topic is poorly covered. Since "smooth variety" is essentially a shortening of "smooth algebraic variety", I suggest that both should probably point at Singular point of an algebraic variety. I've added a sentence to the lead of that article that refers the reader to the more general concept. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:40, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
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Liu Yi (badminton)
[edit]- Liu Yi (badminton) → Liu Yi (badminton, born 2003) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Disambiguation link. This title linking to 2 badminton players. 1. Liu Yi Singaporean badminton player. 2. Liu Yi Chinese badminton player. Since this link has long been used to refer to Singaporean badminton player. So, this link should be delete for Liu Yi Chinese badminton player. I have move the Chinese player to Liu Yi (badminton, born 2003). Stvbastian (talk) 11:56, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment If we had an article about the Singaporean badminton player this would be a straigtforward {{R from incomplete disambiguation}} redirect that should be pointed at the dab page, however we don't have any content that I've found so the article about the Chinese badminton player should arguably be at this title. If the Singaporean player is notable, then I suggest the best solution is to write the article then target this at the dab page. If they aren't notable then the correct solution is to move the article about the Chinese player here. Thryduulf (talk) 15:27, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment in order of preference
- Restore Liu Yi (badminton, born 2003) back to Liu Yi (badminton)
- Redirect to Liu Yi
- Write articles about the other two badminton players
- CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 19:24, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
BJP KARNATAKA
[edit]- BJP KARNATAKA → Bharatiya Janata Party, Karnataka (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete — Hemant Dabral (📞 • ✒) 11:03, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Hemant Dabral, can you please give a reason why you want to delete these redirects? mwwv converse∫edits 14:00, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Unnecessary redirects like capital letters, BJP "for", "of" in" these aren't commonly possible search terms. — Hemant Dabral (📞 • ✒) 17:18, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Unlike the other redirects listed here, the all-caps version is implausible per WP:UNNATURAL. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 21:20, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
BJP of Maharashtra
[edit]- BJP of Maharashtra → Bharatiya Janata Party, Maharashtra (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete — Hemant Dabral (📞 • ✒) 11:03, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep The redirect is unambiguous, and this doesn't seem like an implausible alternative way to refer to the subject. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 21:14, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Presidentman. No reason to delete has been advanced. A7V2 (talk) 01:15, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
BJP for Bengal
[edit]- BJP for Bengal → Bharatiya Janata Party, West Bengal (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete — Hemant Dabral (📞 • ✒) 11:03, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep The redirect is unambiguous, and this doesn't seem like an implausible alternative way to refer to the subject. As West Bengal explains, "Bengal" is an official alternative name for this state. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 21:15, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Presidentman. No reason to delete has been advanced. A7V2 (talk) 01:15, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
BJP in West Bengal
[edit]- BJP in West Bengal → Bharatiya Janata Party, West Bengal (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete — Hemant Dabral (📞 • ✒) 11:03, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep The redirect is unambiguous, and this doesn't seem like an implausible alternative way to refer to the subject. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 21:14, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Presidentman. No reason to delete has been advanced. A7V2 (talk) 01:16, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
Bharathiya Janata Party, Kerala
[edit]- Bharathiya Janata Party, Kerala → Bharatiya Janata Party, Kerala (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete. — Hemant Dabral (📞 • ✒) 17:23, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Bharathiya Janata Party. This target was decided by AfD. -- asilvering (talk) 23:37, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
FZDO
[edit]Not mentioned at target; List of airports in the Democratic Republic of the Congo lists this as the code for the apparently unrelated and currently redlinked Moanza Airport. 1234qwer1234qwer4 03:10, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to List of airports in the Democratic Republic of the Congo. Not listed at List of airports by ICAO code: F. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:29, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Given that the main article there is a redlink, I suggest deletion. 1234qwer1234qwer4 16:50, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget or delete per above. Google results make it clear that there is exactly two potentially encyclopaedic uses of this series of letters, Moanza Airport (occasionally spelled "Moanda" or "Muanda") and the Faculty of Correspondence and Distance Learning at Chelyabinsk State University. The airport is by far the primary topic and we don't have any content about the university faculty anyway. I can see arguments both ways for retargetting and deletion and don't immediately have a preference between them. Thryduulf (talk) 18:09, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:REDLINK --Lenticel (talk) 00:10, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
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The Dharmas
[edit]- The Dharmas → Steadman (band) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Nothing explains why this rediredts here. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 07:43, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Add a mention. "The Dharmas" was either the previous name of the group, or a previous band with many of the same members depending on the source.[9][10][11][12] If the redirect is deleted though the link at Dharma (disambiguation) should be removed. Thryduulf (talk) 11:16, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
Grabage truck
[edit]- Grabage truck → Garbage truck (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Implausible misspelling. Killarnee (talk) 06:17, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete I am not aware of any accent that pronounces Garbage anything like 'Grabage'. Ca talk to me! 01:26, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- There is also Grabage tin. Since the existence of these redirects actively impedes search by only showing these two redirects instead of relevant content for "garbage", which would be the case if the misspelling did not occur anywhere in article space, I suggest deletion. 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:16, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as a plausible typo (and an unambiguous one too – there's no such thing as a "grabbage truck"). Searching for "grabage" still shows results for "garbage" below those two. 🦬 Beefaloe 🦬 11:03, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: This should be bundled with Grabage tin. Either way, Grabage does not exist and never has. Steel1943 (talk) 17:55, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
Burglar (disabmiguation)
[edit]- Burglar (disabmiguation) → Burglar (disambiguation) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Implausible misspelling. Killarnee (talk) 06:14, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. I'm not sure we need this redirect with the implausibly spelled "disambiguation" per many other discussions (some of which I've opened and/or participated in) dealing with this sort of thing. Regards, SONIC678 15:05, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per precedent; unhelpful. 1234qwer1234qwer4 16:31, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. I ain't gonna "disab" anything, unless due to lack of exercise. (Delete per nom.) Steel1943 (talk) 17:53, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
Brave, the Movie
[edit]- Brave, the Movie → Brave (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Brave The Movie (Movie) → Brave (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
These redirects were the result of moving the page about the 1994 film to the title Brave (film) (which was later redirected to the current target's "Film and television" section)—the first redirect to the second and the second to the "(film)" title. These redirects haven't gotten very many pageviews nowadays, so I'm not 100% sure they're really helpful here. I think we should either delete them, or, if they're kept, refine them to Brave#Film and television, though I'm open to other courses of action if they're suitable. Regards, SONIC678 19:08, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. In 2005, the rule was that a redirect resulting from a page move had to be kept, even if it wasn't particularly useful or logical, for WP:GFDL attribution reasons. That's no longer the rule anymore, and such redirects don't need to be kept anymore if they aren't actually serving an important purpose, which this isn't. Bearcat (talk) 19:34, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep/refine Brave, the Movie per WP:RFD#K4 (certainly no benefit comes from deleting this page which is the result of a page move as Brave (1994 film) appears to have had this title for nearly 1.5 years), but also it seems a plausible search term, and indeed has been used by reliable sources for at least the 2012 film, for example [13].
Neutral, leaning delete, on Brave The Movie (Movie) as it is very awkward and inlausible, but also it's not clear to me that this one was created as a result of a page move as it doesn't appear in the edit history of Brave (1994 film).A7V2 (talk) 06:48, 21 September 2024 (UTC)- @A7V2: As described in Wikipedia:Moving a page § Page histories, moves carried out before the 27 June 2005 upgrade were not recorded in the history of the moved page (at the new title), only the history of the redirect left behind (at the old title). The move in question took place on 19 June 2005, eight days before the upgrade. jlwoodwa (talk) 19:28, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep and refine both per A7V2 and Jlwoodwa. Redirects from move not recorded elsewhere. Thryduulf (talk) 11:20, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks Jlwoodwa I wasn't aware of that. Given it was the title of an article for around 6 months don't delete Brave The Movie (Movie), but I'm tempted to say retarget it to Brave (1994 film) since almost certainly anyone using it would be using it as a link rather than a search term, but I am almost equally happy to refine to Brave#Film and television. A7V2 (talk) 00:56, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
Aero blue
[edit]- Aero blue → Shades of cyan#Aero blue (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
There is no mention of Aero blue in the target page. ... discospinster talk 16:40, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- It existed when the redirect was created (see [14]), though it was un-cited and a fairly poor description, and the also see seems to point to a fairly different color, so it's not surprising if someone deleted that section (and forgot to look for redirects to it) in the intervening 11 years. :) —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 18:33, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- That version linked to Air Force blue, which also does not mention "Aero blue" currently. Plus it's azure, not cyan! So changing the redirect won't help. ... discospinster talk 20:21, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
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Template:Cita
[edit]- Template:Cita → Template:Blockquote (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This was presumably created for es:Template:Cita, the Spanish Wikipedia's Template:Blockquote equivalent. However, it is also inappropriately used sometimes for it:Template:Cita, which is a citation template. Both of these foreign templates use unnamed parameters, so the difference isn't always noticed. I would suggest that English editors will be confused by this name and not sure what it means. I'm not opposed to foreign-language template redirects in general, but when they are ambiguous, I think they should certainly be removed. Daask (talk) 13:40, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as template disambiguation page. If we delete it, people who copy wikitext for translation from es.WP or it.WP will end up populating Wikipedia:Database reports/Transclusions of non-existent templates, which is undesirable. Let's make it a template disambiguation page that points to {{blockquote}} and {{sfn}}, or whatever the best en.WP matches are. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:50, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- If
people who copy wikitext for translation from es.WP or it.WP
use a template that is ambiguous between those, it is undesirable. I'm not sure there is a big difference between making it transclude a nonexistent and a disambiguated template. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:17, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- If
- Delete as vague. (However, this redirect has transclusions that need to be bypassed prior to deletion.) Steel1943 (talk) 20:45, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete This is English Wikipedia, the templates should be in English, not some foreign non-English language, presumably with non-English parameters -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 05:26, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- {{blockquote}} is frequently called without (named) parameters. jlwoodwa (talk) 19:29, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per 64.229.88.34. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:14, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
Event Pokemon
[edit]- Event Pokemon → List of Pokémon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
uh... retarget to gameplay of pokémon#distributions? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:48, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Sounds more like promo cards in the Pokémon card game. Steel1943 (talk) 00:42, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Steel1943. --Un assiolo (talk) 12:39, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Gameplay of Pokémon#Distributions - this is how they are generally referred to by the community. (Oinkers42) (talk) 20:43, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, the suggested target makes no mention of "Event Pokemon". Utopes (talk / cont) 05:41, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Gameplay of Pokémon#Distributions. It's not literally mentioned there in those two words in sequence, but the word "events" is used, and anyone who is looking for information on event pokemon won't be confused to end up here. -- asilvering (talk) 16:14, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Gameplay of Pokémon#Distributions per Asilvering. --Lenticel (talk) 01:31, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Gameplay of Pokémon#Distributions, as this is what is being referred to. Fieari (talk) 06:16, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
2TK
[edit]Presumably refers to "two-tier Keir", but ambiguous – seems to be a musician, among other things. Delete as it is unlikely this is what users are looking for. Cremastra (talk) 22:25, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. The only thing we have for 2TK is the ASh-2TK, an aircraft engine with a section at Shvetsov ASh-82#Varients but brief searches suggest this isn't known as just "2TK". Thryduulf (talk) 22:34, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: If there are other things that also relate to 2TK, then it should be turned into a disambiguation page per WP:POFR abbreviation and initialism. Otherwise Keep as WP:CHEAP initialism. EP111 (talk) 01:18, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete it's not Mr. Starmer's initialism, it's an initialism not mentioned in the target article for an internet meme. Not everything derivative of everything Elon Musk says is notable enough for a redirect. Walsh90210 (talk) 02:42, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
Biden's predecessor
[edit]- Biden's predecessor → Donald Trump (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Unlikely, but also ambiguous: Biden was also a senator and a vice president. Cremastra (talk) 22:21, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to a new anchor for the Offices and distinctions succession boxes at the bottom of Joe Biden, which list his predecessors for every office anybody using this search term could be interested in. Thryduulf (talk) 22:29, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Biden has been using "my predecessor" with some frequency in speeches to refer to Trump, which demolishes both the likelihood AND the ambiguity argument. pbp 22:59, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete since this could also refer to Dick Cheney. Oppose redirecting to Joe Biden or any section in that article since there's no dedicated section to predecessors, which makes it potentially difficult for readers to find what they are looking for immediately and could cause confusion. Steel1943 (talk) 23:50, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Except there is a dedicated section for predecessors it's just not got an anchor at present, which is why I recommend creating one. Thryduulf (talk) 11:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Utterly useless, and the suggestion that it has become some sort of pejorative is absurd. Zaathras (talk) 23:59, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete As stated by multiple people, this could be referring to Biden's term as a senator, a vice president, or a president. A retarget to a disambiguation may be fine, though it may also be redundant since all of his predecessors (Boggs, Cheney, and Trump) are listed already in his infobox. Unnamed anon (talk) 04:26, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- To those who saying it could refer to Boggs and Cheney, can you point to any time ever he referred to Cheney and Boggs that way? I can point to him repeatedly referring to Trump that way pbp 17:02, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as vague per above --Lenticel (talk) 06:33, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- To those calling this vague, what do you think it could refer to that isn't included in the Offices and distinctions succession boxes? If there isn't anything, what is your objection to targetting that? Thryduulf (talk) 21:38, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep (second choice retarget to #Offices and distinctions). I don't think that anyone searching up "Biden's predecessor" will be at all surprised to find themselves at Donald Trump. Doing so wanting Cheney, Boggs, or anyone else invites a headslap. On the contrary, a less in-the-know reader desiring Trump is much more plausible. J947 ‡ edits 03:59, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Biden has used this term for Trump several times, and Trump is the clear primary topic over Cheney and Boggs. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:24, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Term in use, someone may want to know who Biden is referring to in his speeches. I do not buy the argument that this is ambiguous. It really isn't. Fieari (talk) 06:09, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Technically it's ambiguous, but the vast majority of people would think Trump rather than Cheney or Boggs. So Trump is the clear primary topic here. Beefaloe (formerly SpursySituation) (talk) 11:01, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
Meme in human form
[edit]Delete. Khaled's Wikipedia article quotes a The Verge article that describes him as "a meme in human form", but other than that, I can find no evidence that the descriptor is ever used as an alternative name for him. –CopperyMarrow15 (talk – edits) 18:55, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Implausible search term. voorts (talk/contributions) 20:27, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete non notable nickname. --Lenticel (talk) 01:13, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
Operation Dryfront
[edit]- Operation Dryfront → Operation Wetback (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target, no Google hits. This seems to be the literal opposite of "wetback", which I doubt makes this a helpful redirect, so I propose it be deleted. Complex/Rational 14:50, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- I originally made it due to it being used to talk about the operation in the political space on twitch, primarily by hasanabi, as the term is considered a slur. If that's not enough for a redirect, fair enough. Emma0mb talk 18:16, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep. While I'm only seeing one google hit for "operation dryfront" (but it wouldn't find uses in Twitch videos) and a couple more for "operation dry front", "dryfront" and "dry front" alone do get multiple uses in this context as ways to avoid using a slur. Indeed at least one use is to bypass a forum filter that prevented linking to an encyclopaedia article about the operation. While the redirect wasn't used between creation on 14 August and nomination, that's not a long enough time to reliably demonstrate how useful or otherwise the redirect is, especially when the target typically only gets a few hundred hits a day. Thryduulf (talk) 19:28, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep - The term does seem to be used in the wild as a way to avoid censorship and automatic filters, and it could easily confuse someone who wants to know what is being talked about. This redirect will be useful and helpful to such a person. Even without a mention, and I do not think one is merited, this redirect is informative and useful. Fieari (talk) 06:11, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
Weekend Trip
[edit]- Weekend Trip → List of TV5 (Philippine TV network) original programming (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Weekend trip → Tourism (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in target. Ambiguous title. ToadetteEdit (talk) 12:05, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I've added Weekend trip to this discussion, which points to a completely different article that also doesn't mention the phrase, although it is clearly related. In terms of articles that do mention the phrase, almost all are NOTTRAVELGUIDE violations or passing mentions in plot summaries. Thryduulf (talk) 15:46, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I'd call this a weekend away which doesn't exist, but Weekend Away does (and targets an article on a film). Depending on if a viable target for the others can be found this too may need thought about. If no target for the first two can be found then I suppose they will be deleted and nothing changes for Weekend Away. 78.149.135.163 (talk) 19:55, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep both With capitals, this is the name of the weekend primetime programming block for TV5 (see playlist on the channel's Youtube). Without capitals, it's a common form of tourism or leisure activity. SFB 20:41, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- But the programming block of "Weekend Trip" on TV5 is failed under WP:SIGCOV. Icarus58 (talk) 00:26, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep both, but add a mention to both targets to make them useful. · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 08:27, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete both. There isn't any information on "weekend trips" here on EnWiki. Better if we let search results handle this. CycloneYoris talk! 04:20, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Still no mention at either target.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Utopes (talk / cont) 04:09, 20 September 2024 (UTC)- delete. depends on way too many differing definitions of "trip", and there's no fitting target for any of them cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:25, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Notified of this discussion at the targets.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 15:39, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
Masami Kawamura
[edit]- Masami Kawamura → 2021 Rugby World Cup squads#Japan (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Unnecessary redirect to a list of players. SimplyLouis27 (talk) 14:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Not voting right now, but the page in question was once an article. This article was the subject of a deletion discussion in 2023 where the result was to target to the present target to preserve the edit history on account of being WP:TOOSOON for Kawamura to merit an article on her own notability. Regards, SONIC678 22:21, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep to preserve edit history and WP:ATD. As the redirect does seem to have had an article, it may be useful to keep the page around for the future. As of now, I dont' believe it would be harmful to leave it around as a redirect. MetropolitanIC (💬|📝) 03:36, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
Interstate 976
[edit]- Interstate 976 → Premium-rate telephone number (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Interstate 976 sounds like the name of a (non-existent) US interstate highway, but this redirect actually refers to premium telephone numbers. The target article suggests that 976 is only used for phone numbers in the Czech Republic, which doesn't even have "states" so the title makes no sense. Furthermore, when does anyone ever use "Interstate XYZ" to refer to phone numbers, anyway? Beefaloe (formerly SpursySituation) (talk) 12:27, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment a previous redirect from this title to Interstate Highway System was deleted at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2012 April 14#Interstate 976. The two redirects were apparently created entirely independently. Thryduulf (talk) 13:37, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. International premium rate service has in the second sentence
It is analogous to "900" or "976" numbers in North America
and other google results back up that 976 should be in the main article about premium rate numbers for North America (and also Mongolia). I can't find any connection between this and interstates though. As for an Interstate numbered 976, a fictional one appears in the simulation game Ultimate Driving but given we have no article about the game itself (I have no opinion whether we should) it goes without saying that we don't have relevant content about this element of it. An real-world interstate highway of this number does not appear to have ever been proposed. Thryduulf (talk) 13:37, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
Sidney (city)
[edit]I actually created this redirect several years ago, but given there are actually places named "Sidney" with an "i", I think it should be retargeted to Sidney § Places. Beefaloe (formerly SpursySituation) (talk) 12:13, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget actual spelling should have priority over misspellings. The current target doesn't even mention "Sidney". Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:47, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per nom and Crouch, Swale. Thryduulf (talk) 18:05, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Sidney#Places per everyone. "Sidney" and "Sydney" are plausible misspellings/alternative spellings of each other, but since there are actual places with the name Sidney and the target article doesn't even mention "Sidney," retargeting to the proposed target seems to be the right call. Regards, SONIC678 18:20, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
Tay Keith, fuck these niggas up!
[edit]- Tay Keith, fuck these niggas up! → Tay Keith (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Even if the latter part of the redirect is relevant, if someone has the artist's name, they don't need the second part. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 04:35, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as unhelpful. Not mentioned at target, and appears to be a lyric from a song released by Drake (musician). 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:39, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
Together California
[edit]- Together California → Christian Bale (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Bale founded California Together--not Together California, which appears to be a leggings company. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 04:24, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
Patient population
[edit]- Patient population → Population (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Is there a more specific redirect? Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 04:16, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - The redirect should be converted to an article, not deleted. Patient population and selection methodology are heavily sourced in medical literature.GobsPint (talk) 16:16, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as not specific enough in reference to its target to have certainty the redirect is a useful search term. Steel1943 (talk) 23:56, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
Allan Cerda
[edit]- Allan Cerda → Cincinnati Reds minor league players#Allan Cerda (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Cerda is not listed as a player on the team, and according to his MLB profile, he has played for several teams, so I'm not sure what the best redirect would be. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 04:14, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete No longer plays for Reds and not notable for stand alone article.-- Yankees10 15:22, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
Big Yud
[edit]Google searches connected the redirect and target, but it's not mentioned on the target page. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 04:10, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 19#Big Yud. J947 ‡ edits 04:01, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. The previous RfD was wildly not based on policy or real redirect practice. One of the "!keep" voters said "!keep because it is a joke name and extremely funny".
- A name being used online has ZERO bearing towards its suitability as a redirect on Wikipedia, without other factors being true: redirects on Wikipedia take people to the content we have for that term on Wikipedia. People looking up "Big Yud" are guaranteed to be looking for context relating to "Big Yud", as that is the term they searched for. There is no mention of the term at the target page, nor ANY indication or context about an "endearing nickname of 'Big', followed by an abbreviation of 'Yud'". "Big" does not appear anywhere on the entire page. And we don't do unmentioned nickname redirects towards the target they refer to on Wikipedia. Utopes (talk / cont) 15:23, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
Geoffrey Chalmers
[edit]- Geoffrey Chalmers → Michael McConnohie (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Name not mentioned at target. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 04:08, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment the previous RfD noted that the McConnohie was credited as Geoffrey Chalmers and that this was mentioned in the article. Mention was hidden by an IP editor in June 2021 with the comment "I'm hiding this source until verified". The information was sourced to [15] but the current version of that page doesn't include the name (I've not investigated whether it ever did). Googling "Michael McConnohie" "Geoffrey Chalmers" finds a lot of hits making the same connection, but every site is either unreliable (IMDB, wikis) or one I have no idea of the reliability of. This needs attention from someone familiar with sourcing in this topic area. Thryduulf (talk) 13:53, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
Ashchf Lshtshfum
[edit]- Ashchf Lshtshfum → Jason Bourne (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Appears to be a joke about bad Cyrillic on a passport in a movie[16] Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 03:54, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- when reading the cyrillic on the bourne identity that's supposed to be foma kiniaev Probium577 (talk) 23:30, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
Mi scusi
[edit]Too general a term to be redirected to a film, even if it is a known quote from the film. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 03:39, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
Affine cone
[edit]- Affine cone → Convex cone#Affine cone (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Could also refer to Cone (algebraic geometry). 1234qwer1234qwer4 02:48, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
Unimproved
[edit]- Unimproved → Road surface (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Unimproved road redirects to Dirt road. That said, there are other topics like Unimproved water source or Unimproved sanitation using this word. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:33, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as very vague. I can imagine how this might have been created instead of a piped link. I don't think "unimproved" alone is a useful search term, but I wouldn't be overly opposed to some kind of disambiguation. A7V2 (talk) 06:29, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Reminds me of the situation with Affordable (Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 April 27#Affordable). Steel1943 (talk) 14:07, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as too vague. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 19:28, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: a general-purpose adjective. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:48, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Weak retarget to improvement as {{R from related term}} / {{R from adjective}} /
{{R from antonym|improved}}
, being the state of which prior to improvement -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 05:23, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on retargeting?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 02:08, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Weak retarget to improvement is fine, as that will give the closest thing to the meaning of the word. BD2412 T 02:49, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to improvement and tag as R from antonym --Lenticel (talk) 01:15, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Searching up "improved" desiring the article Improvement is plausible. "Unimproved" is not. J947 ‡ edits 04:04, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
Isometry (mathematics)
[edit]- Isometry (mathematics) → Isometry (disambiguation) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Since the primary topic Isometry is already a mathematical topic, I don't think this should be a redirect to the disambiguation page (which also seems to consist of a lot of WP:PTMs). (Note that there is also Isometry (mathematics) (disambiguation); not sure how much precedent there is for such redirects.) 1234qwer1234qwer4 00:03, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Does Isometry cover all of the topics on the disambiguation page? If so, I would agree that there is no need for the latter. I am not fluent enough in mathematics to say whether it is. BD2412 T 00:08, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
Naoki Tanisaki
[edit]- Naoki Tanisaki → T-Hawk (wrestler) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This redirect is unnecessary and misleading as this alternative name stems from a misunderstanding of Japanese spelling. When Onodera impersonated Naoki Tanizaki, he used a different kanji spelling for his name; it didn't change the way the name wad read and shouldn't change how it's transcribed. MordecaiXLII (talk) 21:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Vote to retarget the redirect Naoki Tanisaki → Naoki Tanizaki, per common mispellings under WP:POFR, which includes "Likely misspellings" as reasons to create redirects. The Kanji 崎 and 嵜 are both read as "さき" (saki), anyway, so it should be categorized as a possible mispelling for Tanizaki.
- I do agree with the nom that there is no reason for it to be redirecting to T-Hawk (wrestler), though. MetropolitanIC (💬|📝) 03:51, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
Tighten
[edit]let's try this again... closed before with no consensus, with votes torn between... everything, really. opinions? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:56, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- for the record, my vote will be to retarget to tight cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:56, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. EurekaLott and Presidentman in the last discussion explained in detail why this is the best option and, unless something very significant has changed in the last 2 months (and I haven't spotted anything) then everything they said still applies. Thryduulf (talk) 00:25, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Pinging those who commented in the recent discussion: @Duckmather, Red-tailed hawk, Eureka Lott, Presidentman, BugGhost, Pppery, Godsy, BD2412, and Steel1943:. Thryduulf (talk) 00:27, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Bugghost: fixing the ping. Thryduulf (talk) 00:28, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Redirecting a dictionary word to the misspelling of a film character's name is downright wrong and astonishing. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:29, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- you'd be surprised to know that that's not actually a misspelling. i mean, it is a mishearing of "titan", but that's kind of the entire point, and he's referred to as "tighten" in the credits lmao cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 23:39, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- should clarify that this isn't necessarily a keep vote, it's just "don't delete as a typo" cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:53, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- you'd be surprised to know that that's not actually a misspelling. i mean, it is a mishearing of "titan", but that's kind of the entire point, and he's referred to as "tighten" in the credits lmao cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 23:39, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate. Per WP:SSRT,
only topics with a less-than-encyclopedic scope that are commonly wikified words or that are repeatedly recreated should become soft redirects
(emphases mine). This word is neither commonly wikified (indeed, there are no mainspace links that point to it), nor has it been repeatedly recreated. But because it might reasonably be a search term for multiple items on Wikipedia, and none seem like an easy primary topic, a dab page should suffice. My view has not changed since the prior discussion. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 02:11, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per my reasoning at the prior discussion. As Thryduulf notes, nothing appears to have changed here. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 02:17, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- I suggest adding a {{Wiktionary hatnote}} at the very least. Seems rather WP:RASTONISHing though. By the way, I also checked whether tightening exists, but apparently we only have The Tightening. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:05, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per last discussion. Nothing has changed since last time. Would be fine with a hatnote at Megamind#Cast to Tight (or wherever else) if someone feels this is genuinely ambiguous or a likely search, but have no real strong feelings. BugGhost🦗👻 17:56, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. I acknowledge I was pinged. Steel1943 (talk) 23:27, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
Democracy Index
[edit]- Democracy Index → The Economist Democracy Index (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Democrasy Index → Democracy indices (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I'm not sure how primary the Economist index is for the title-case name, but these should point at the same target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 20:42, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- (1) Democracy Index: I too am not sure how primary the Economist index is. On the one hand one could say that a generic term should point to the general article rather than an article about one particular index (though to be pedantic, the generic term would be "Democracy index", not "Democracy Index"). On the other hand, I can think of reasons why keeping the present redirect might be better. The article Democracy indices mentions a number of indices, but the Economist Democracy Index is the only one containing the expression "Democracy Index", which could be taken as indicating that it's a primary meaning, as it is probably the one most likely to be searched for under those words. There's also the fact that the redirect Democracy Index was created by moving the article which is now titled The Economist Democracy Index, but which had been at Democracy Index for 16 years (apart from a period of 32 minutes when a disruptive editor moved it to another title, and it got moved back quickly) so changing the redirect title could break links. There are currently 588 internal links to it, and there may be external links, or links on individual users' computers or whatever. taking into account all of those considerations, I am in favour of keeping the redirect Democracy Index → The Economist Democracy Index.
- (2) Democrasy Index: This is an almost pointless redirect. It has had 2 views in the last 30 days (compared to 9,892 for Democracy Index. I therefore don't think it matters a lot what happens to it. However, "Democrasy Index", unlike "Democracy Index", is not contained in the title of any particular index, so there isn't any particular index with any claim to be a primary meaning. There's also a case for saying that in the absence of a strong reason for doing otherwise it's better to leave it where it is, because someone somewhere may expect it to be there, though in this case that's an extremely weak case. My conclusion is that, as I said above, it doesn't matter a lot what happens to this redirect, but on balance I just about prefer leaving it where it is.
- (3) I don't find the argument that the redirects should both point to the same target convincing at all. There's no reason why what happens if someone searches for one title should be influenced by what would have happened if they had searched for the other.
- WP:TLDR abbreviated version: Keep them both as they are. JBW (talk) 21:44, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to The Economist Democracy Index. – Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 22:12, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Democracy Index as is. Virtually everyone searching for or linking to Democracy Index is expecting this topic. In fact, the article really should be at the more concise title. The redirect averages 312 hits per day (huge for a redirect), almost 15% of its target's total, and double what Democracy indices gets.[17] Delete Democrasy Index as an unlikely misspelling. It has no incoming links and almost no views. No one will miss it. Otherwise leave as is or point to The Economist index; it's utterly unimportant. Station1 (talk) 03:45, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Democracy Index pointing to the Economist. Retarget the misspelled one here as well. A bit of looking around does seem to suggest that this one gets the WP:PTOPIC, and if people are looking for another index, there's a hatnote to the more general article as well. Fieari (talk) 06:03, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
MOSHEAD
[edit]I'm not sure that we need a redirect to a redirect. Any way, I came across this page when it showed up as an error on my Quarry query as a cross-namespace redirect from main space. Liz Read! Talk! 18:09, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- delete. malformed, double redirect, unnecessary cross-namespace from mainspace, coincidentally the name of a likely unnotable thrash metal band, pick whatever reason you want cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:17, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- on that note, i'm assuming this is only here because it narrowly avoids a g6. if so, would it be because it was seemingly not created in error? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:25, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- G6 requires it to be unambiguously created in error, that is not the case here. So it doesn't "narrowly avoid" G6, it doesn't meet it at all. Thryduulf (talk) 20:09, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- on that note, i'm assuming this is only here because it narrowly avoids a g6. if so, would it be because it was seemingly not created in error? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:25, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. If it hadn't been nominated here a bot would have corrected the double redirect so that part isn't relevant, what is relevant is that we don't need cross-namespace redirects from the article namespace to the manual of style guidance about section headings. Like Cogsan I can't find evidence that the Slovenian thrash metal band are notable (if they were though the article would be at Moshead and this would be a good redirect to that article, given they refer to themselves as "Moshead" in prose but stylise it as "MOSHEAD" on all their release covers). Thryduulf (talk) 20:09, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, obviously. In fact is there any good reason for having a discussion about it, rather than just a WP:CSD#R2 speedy deletion? I can't even begin to think of any reason why this might be considered as a suitable redirect from mainspace. JBW (talk) 21:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Redirects from the mainspace to project space (which is where MOS:HEAD points) are explicitly excluded from R2. Thryduulf (talk) 00:33, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- @JBW: R2 excludes redirects from the mainspace to project space. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:42, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Thryduulf and Crouch, Swale: OK, I was just going on the fact that MOS:HEAD is not in project space, and not thinking about where the page it redirects to is. However, it's still delete, just not speedy. JBW (talk) 19:22, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- MOS: is now a pseudo namespace equivalent to WP:, but if it wasn't then it would be in article space making MOSHEAD → MOS:HEAD entirely within article space and thus also not eligible for R2. Thryduulf (talk) 19:44, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Thryduulf and Crouch, Swale: OK, I was just going on the fact that MOS:HEAD is not in project space, and not thinking about where the page it redirects to is. However, it's still delete, just not speedy. JBW (talk) 19:22, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- @JBW: R2 excludes redirects from the mainspace to project space. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:42, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Redirects from the mainspace to project space (which is where MOS:HEAD points) are explicitly excluded from R2. Thryduulf (talk) 00:33, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete not a Wikipedia specific term. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:42, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as it is a failed shortcut where the proper version already exists. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 23:23, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete this WP:CNR. Fieari (talk) 06:04, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
Pokemon Mystery Dungeon 2: Time and Darkness Expedtion
[edit]- Pokemon Mystery Dungeon 2: Time and Darkness Expedtion → Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
that's a lot to type before a tpyo cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:54, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - One of the reasons I've stopped being active on RFD lately is the quantity of these kinds of entries. Nothing is gained from deleting (or even discussing) these kinds of redirects. It's unambiguous where it is meant to go, it's doing no harm, it's not wasting space - it's causing no problems. If a user types "Pokemon Mystery Dungeon 2: Time and Darkness Expedtion" into the search box, they are obviously trying to get to the article Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness - so not sure why this redirect would be logged here. BugGhost🦗👻 18:15, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- should note that the name isn't the reason for the nom, since it's mentioned as the translation of the games' (tie in anime's) japanese name, give or take the 2. it's the misspelling of "expedition" cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 03:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
Alicia Douvall
[edit]- Alicia Douvall → Celebrity Big Brother (British TV series) series 15#Alicia Douvall (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
A redirect here is not appropriate as it could also redirect to Celebrity Love Island. I vote to delete the redirect to encourage article creation. Launchballer 16:52, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. This was an article before it was turned into a redirect in 2017 and still gets 20 hits per day. Deletion would remove the history. And although her name is listed and linked in the Love Island article, what little info there is about her is in a paragraph in the Celebrity Big Brother article. Station1 (talk) 07:26, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
Pokémon Mystery Dungeon AKA NO KYUJOTAI (plus that other one)
[edit]- Pokémon Mystery Dungeon AKA NO KYUJOTAI → Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Blue Rescue Team and Red Rescue Team (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Pokemon Mystery Dungeon AKA NO KYUJOTAI → Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Blue Rescue Team and Red Rescue Team (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Pokémon Mystery Dungeon AO NO KYUJOTAI → Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Blue Rescue Team and Red Rescue Team (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Pokemon Mystery Dungeon AO NO KYUJOTAI → Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Blue Rescue Team and Red Rescue Team (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
same case as below, but the other way around. opinions on the plausibility of the mix of languages? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:20, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment The capitalization is seen on Chunsoft's official English page at https://www.spike-chunsoft.co.jp/pages/games/pokedun_i/index.html WhisperToMe (talk) 16:21, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- wow, that's official as h*ck, look at that pelipper go. i'm actually kind of surprised that page is still up lol
- that's probably enough proof that there's a use case for this, but the likelihood of it being used is something i'll leave for this venue to question, and only partially because the page view analysis tool doesn't like the accented redirects cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:42, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'm in favor of Keeping the redirect due to official use WhisperToMe (talk) 17:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per WhisperToMe Andre🚐 06:59, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
Pokémon Fushigi no Dungeon Red (plus that other one)
[edit]- Pokémon Fushigi no Dungeon Red → Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Blue Rescue Team and Red Rescue Team (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Pokémon Fushigi no Dungeon Blue → Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Blue Rescue Team and Red Rescue Team (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Pokemon Fushigi no Dungeon Red → Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Blue Rescue Team and Red Rescue Team (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Pokemon Fushigi no Dungeon Blue → Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Blue Rescue Team and Red Rescue Team (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
implausible mix of languages? less so for the "dungeon" part since the series' title uses ダンジョン (danjōn, from the english word), as opposed to 地下牢 (chikarō, from... not the english word), but more so over the colors being in english cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:25, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
Master Levels
[edit]- Master Levels → Doom II#Master Levels for Doom II (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
surprisingly, doom 2 is the primary topic for this... just seemingly not to the extent that it completely drowns out results to other things that might use this relatively vague term. doom eternal also uses this name i guess cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:23, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. My research agrees that the current target is the primary topic, and is more common than all the other uses put together to the extent that no other meaning got more than 1 hit on the first three pages of search results and even when excluding "doom" from the search term most other results were passing collocations. If there is something else that this is a useful search term for then it can be included in a hatnote. Thryduulf (talk) 16:45, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. This phrase also has particular affinity for some The Legend of Zelda games. Steel1943 (talk) 20:51, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- I oppose deletion. If you disagree there is a primary topic (despite the clear evidence there is) then it should be disambiguated. Thryduulf (talk) 08:15, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Current target is a WP:PTM. The usage of the term in reference to Zelda is more of a search term than an official title. Deletion seems the way to go. Steel1943 (talk) 13:53, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- It's a short form name not just a PTM, as people refer to the target as just "Master Levels" (in the same way United States is not just a partial title match for United States of America and Revenge of the Sith is not just a partial title match for Star Wars: Episode III – Revenge of the Sith). Thryduulf (talk) 13:08, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Current target is a WP:PTM. The usage of the term in reference to Zelda is more of a search term than an official title. Deletion seems the way to go. Steel1943 (talk) 13:53, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Which Zelda games? The closest I could find was The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time § Master Quest. jlwoodwa (talk) 15:34, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- I oppose deletion. If you disagree there is a primary topic (despite the clear evidence there is) then it should be disambiguated. Thryduulf (talk) 08:15, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
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Second attempted assassination of Donald Trump
[edit]- Second attempted assassination of Donald Trump → Trump International Golf Club shooting (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Someone attempted to assassinate Donald Trump in 2016 (2016 Donald Trump Las Vegas rally incident), so the second assassination attempt would be the one in Pennsylvania. With that in mind, I think the target of this redirect should be Attempted assassination of Donald Trump. ArcticSeeress (talk) 12:14, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Security incidents involving Donald Trump. I think the span of time and exactly how things have been covered makes this ambiguous. Particularly because that lists three incidents before this year that could plausibly be thought of as assassination attempts (forklift, ricin, ricin). Skynxnex (talk) 13:24, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Security incidents involving Donald Trump. Too ambiguous for any one incident to be the target. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:29, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Immediate procedural close. Seems this redirect/title has been mentioned multiple times at Talk:Trump International Golf Club shooting#Requested move 15 September 2024 as a location to move the current target of this redirect, Trump International Golf Club shooting. Also, this RfD was opened after the aforementioned move request; having two discussions at two different venues which could affect the same page/title is not cohesive to form adequate/accurate consensus. Steel1943 (talk) 19:46, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - Security incidents involving Donald Trump lists at least four assassination attempts before the July attempt, and the list is almost certainly incomplete. We cannot assign numbers to any of these attempts with 100% certainty. - ZLEA T\C 23:08, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
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Revert' to this version. I think suggesting common parlance is that the link goes to Attempted assassination of Donald Trump only two months after that incident is stretching what common parlance means. alternatively, would be fine with retargeting to Security incidents involving Donald Trump, especially if move discussion decides to merge the new article in. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 23:34, 16 September 2024 (UTC)- @Bluethricecreamman you probably meant this comment to go in the section below for "Donald Trump shooting"? Skynxnex (talk) 03:21, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you. I will move this accordingly. mobile edits and lack of sleep i suppose are the cause. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 03:22, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Neutral per above. Hurricane Clyde 🌀my talk page! 19:35, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you. I will move this accordingly. mobile edits and lack of sleep i suppose are the cause. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 03:22, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Bluethricecreamman you probably meant this comment to go in the section below for "Donald Trump shooting"? Skynxnex (talk) 03:21, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- retarget to Security incidents involving Donald Trump per Skynxnex -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 23:24, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- delete - I don't see anyone typing this as a phrase. If we do need to use it as a redirect, point it to the security incidents article, which will show many other attempts. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 02:14, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment the target article is now located at Attempted assassination of Donald Trump in Florida. Thryduulf (talk) 13:03, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Security incidents involving Donald Trump per Skyxnex and ZLEA. Thryduulf (talk) 13:03, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
Chun King Inn (1964 World's Fair)
[edit]- Chun King Inn (1964 World's Fair) → 1964 New York World's Fair (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention of the Chun King Inn in the 1964 world fair article. The only redirect target would be Chun King but again not mentioned there. Blethering Scot 12:23, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, since this redirect is pointing to the wrong page and there is no viable target. The Chun King restaurant at the 1964 World's Fair did exist, so it should in theory be retargeted to Food at the 1964 New York World's Fair. However, Chun King isn't mentioned in that article either. – Epicgenius (talk) 15:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
Black box (fiction)
[edit]- Black box (fiction) → Deus ex machina (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
i really have to be missing something here, because every definition i found for "black box" that wasn't a vehicle part or literal black box was "a thing that does stuff that you're not allowed to see the doing of". not necessarily a macguffin, not necessarily a deus ex machina, and especially not necessarily tied to fiction, but the disambiguator takes care of that last part cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:23, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- for the record, until i find out what could tie this to this specific trope, my vote will be weak retarget to macguffin. seems it's sorta kinda what the last revision before being blar'd referred to (probably, maybe, i'm not sure) cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:29, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete I can't really find much evidence that this term is used in fiction except in a figurative sense of an actual Black box: Hitchcock shall have saidf it in passing, and it seems to come up in Redshirts (novel). Not enough for a redirect, I think. – sgeureka t•c 13:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, without prejudice to a sourced article being recreated. A black box as a literary device is a real thing. However, it is not the same as a deus ex machina. Retarget seems pointless. Andre🚐 06:58, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
Bulbagarden
[edit]- Bulbagarden → Pokémon#Bulbagarden (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Redirect to a section that doesn't exist. In fact, the article doesn't mention Bulbagarden at all, and given that Bulbagarden is just an unofficial fansite I don't see why this has to redirect to the main article on the franchise. This should be deleted. 50.29.218.72 (talk) 23:58, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and add to article. I found an interview with the site's staff in Nintendo Force magazine. This, while not enough for a standalone article, is certainly enough to mention it in the Pokemon article in a sentence or two. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:32, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: Per nom, I don't see any use of the redirect. M S Hassan 📬✍🏻 12:38, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Not mention at target, therefore useless. – sgeureka t•c 13:52, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. I remember Bulbagarden, it was a fansite many moons ago, but sadly, if it's not even mentioned as a very minor aspect of Pokemon from the late 1990s and very early 2000s, the redirect seems pointless. While I'm sympathetic to the spirit of wanting to keep this around, nostalgia isn't a reason to keep it. On the other hand, it's not harming anyone by existing, but what is the chance that someone in 2025 almost is looking for Bulbagarden either in Google or Wikipedia? Andre🚐 06:56, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: there is also Serebii. - Manifestation (talk) 17:45, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Weak delete. The Pokémon article once had a short "Fan community" sub-section, which the redirect (correctly) pointed at. I revamped the article in June 2023, and opted to remove the Fan community bit because it was of low quality. I don't know if there are enough sources to create a new Fan community section. If this would one day happen, then the Bulbagarden and Bulbapedia redirects may be recreated. - Manifestation (talk) 17:45, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
All-Star Batman
[edit]- All-Star Batman → DC Rebirth#Batman (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- All Star Batman → List of Batman comics#Ongoing series (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
weird case here. the different targets aside, primary topichood seems to have been entirely hogged by all star batman and robin, the boy wonder, and in regard to the second target, neither series seems to be "ongoing" (hell, almost none of the series listed there are, what's that about?). for this purpose, i made a quick draft for a disambig, which might be better off in one of those redirects now. opinions on what to do?
also note this discussion on cirno day september 9 that ended in a goddamn train wreck, and didn't even have the right redirects nominated. sorry, the oldrfdlist template doesn't work properly on the visual editor cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:18, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
Gaming the system
[edit]- Gaming the system → Letter and spirit of the law#Gaming the system (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This AfD refers Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gaming the system. Consensus was judged to merge to the current target, chosen by an editor who admitted they had not had time to do a WP:BEFORE. It is not the best target, as the parent page was Abuse#Gaming the system. I believe it was chosen off a search and became an anchoring effect on the discussion. No one engaged with questions about most appropriate redirect. No Child Left Behind Act#Gaming the system also has a section. 4150 Wikipedia pages mention gaming the system. Suggest either the redirect is deleted to allow base search to do its thing, or else disambiguate - a DAB should be created. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 08:10, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Having looked at all the pages I can find that are not just examples or passing uses of the term, the current target is the best we have. It could be expanded with a couple of well-chosen illustrative examples (as long as it doesn't become the mess that led to the AfD) but I don't think we can do better than that. Thryduulf (talk) 12:52, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Bending the rules redirects to this redirect. A softdirect to wiktionary wikt:game the synstem is also possible. – sgeureka t•c 14:07, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep From what I can tell, there is no better place to point it that makes sense. The Abuse article is in a terrible state and I'm not sure that section even belongs there. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:14, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
Baduizm World Tour
[edit]R with history. No mention of such a world tour at the target article. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:20, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Restore article per WP:BLAR. A7V2 (talk) 07:23, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Restore without prejudice per A7V2. Thryduulf (talk) 11:01, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
Baba Saheb Dr. Bhim Rao Ambedkar College of Agricultural Engineering and Technology
[edit]- Baba Saheb Dr. Bhim Rao Ambedkar College of Agricultural Engineering and Technology → Chandra Shekhar Azad University of Agriculture and Technology (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
R with history. No mention of Baba Saheb, Dr. Bhim Rao Ambedkar College of Agricultural Engineering and Technology at the target article. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:18, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep See [18] from the university's site. Relevant section: "Baba Saheb Dr. Bhim Rao Ambedkar College of Agricultural Engineering & Technology, Etawah was established during the year 1994-95. This college is a faculty of Technology of Chandra Shekhar Azad University of Agriculture & Technology, Kanpur-U.P." -MPGuy2824 (talk) 07:45, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
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Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone
[edit]- Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone → Big Yellow Taxi (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention of this phrase at the target article, no mentions of "always" or "till". This is not a likely term to use when searching for the target article. Utopes (talk / cont) 20:31, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Except that it (along with "they paved paradise, put up a parking lot") is the part that most people remember - the title is buried in a single line towards the end. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:32, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- That might be the case: that this string of 16 words is memorable in the context of the song. When people search Wikipedia, they search for titles of encyclopedia articles. If there's not a title, it scans the page contents for search matches. If you put this string in Google, "Big Yellow Taxi" is the first item that immediately pops up. The Genius lyric page, a link to Youtube, Big Yellow Taxi Wikipedia page, it's all right there. But Wikipedia isn't a lyric database. That line doesn't appear at the target page, so people searching for it in quotes will receive zero results. There's no way to know which line of the song is everyone's favorite, so unless there's sourced coverage about the line at the target article, and there's not, it's a confusing redirect without context. (Incidentally, they paved paradise and put up a parking lot actually has coverage at the target page, and exists as a redirect since 2007.) Utopes (talk / cont) 23:12, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
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Wu-Tang is for the children
[edit]- Wu-Tang is for the children → 40th Annual Grammy Awards (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention of "Wu-Tang" in the children's section, and no mention of children pertaining to Wu-Tang's entry. Without any context at the target page, this redirect does not answer questions for the reader, and only creates them (as I am now confused and am searching externally to find this, as the Wikipedia page has not assisted this). Btw it was a "phrase uttered" during these Grammy's, but our article for it does not indicate as such. Utopes (talk / cont) 17:52, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Ol' Dirty Bastard, as his article discusses the incident. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 14:00, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
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I'm Slim Shady, yes I'm the real Shady, all you other Slim Shadies are just imitating
[edit]- I'm Slim Shady, yes I'm the real Shady, all you other Slim Shadies are just imitating → The Real Slim Shady (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This lyric is not mentioned at the target article. It is far more plausible for someone to type in the name of the song, rather than a full lyric ending in the word "imitating", which "imitating" does not appear at the target article. This is not an alternative name for the song, even if a line in the chorus. Utopes (talk / cont) 17:36, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Redirects from sufficiently well-known song lyrics can be useful even if the lyric in question is not mentioned in the article. This line contains much of the song's chorus, and is therefore likely to meet that threshold of utility. While I do agree that it's unlikely a user would type out this entire lyric, I find it plausible that one might type in, say, "I'm Slim Shady" alone—at which point the redirect pops up as a suggested search, and the reader ultimately benefits. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 13:53, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 07:54, 27 September 2024 (UTC)- Delete (1) There is no plausible scenario of any Internet user capable of typing 85 characters of lyrics that names Slim Shady twice without first trying Google for slim shady song that will lead them to this poetic masterpiece in the first lines of output - multiple times. (2) If we allow arbitrary pieces of lyrics as redirects, some editor will happily generate hundreds of them for each barely notable song. Викидим (talk) 19:24, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete – I could possibly see "I'm Slim Shady" as an acceptable {{r from lyric}}, but this is just ridiculously long. jlwoodwa (talk) 20:37, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
The Mac Dad'll make you jump, jump, Daddy Mac'll make you jump jump
[edit]- The Mac Dad'll make you jump, jump, Daddy Mac'll make you jump jump → Jump (Kris Kross song) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention of "mac dad", or "daddy mac". While a lyric, without mention this does not provide any benefit to readers, who are likely to get here from the song name. There is no context for this search term, or where "daddy mac" is derived. Utopes (talk / cont) 17:15, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: For clarity, "Daddy Mac" is the name of one of the members of Kris Kross, the group that performed the song. (The other member is known as "Mac Daddy", hence "Mac Dad" in the lyric.) No opinion on the proposal otherwise. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 13:48, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Meditation
[edit]- Wikipedia:Meditation → Wikipedia:Mediation (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Wikipedia:Meditation Committee → Wikipedia:Mediation Committee (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Meditation and Mediation are drastically different concepts, and editors would be better served by a red link to indicate that they've used the completely wrong word rather than a silent redirect (as existed at WikiProject Medicine for months). --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 16:26, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Note I've added Wikipedia:Meditation Committee to this discussion as the same rationale almost certainly applies. Wikipedia:Meditation Cabal exists, but it is a humour page not a redirect, no other page in project space begins with "Meditation", but Wikipedia:WikiProject Transcendental Meditation is a thing. Thryduulf (talk) 16:45, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete inactive committee, so even slim chance of a typo seems unnecessary to prevent. Andre🚐 07:00, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
Japanese opera
[edit]- Japanese opera → Theatre of Japan (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Suggest deletion: the target article does not mention opera. The topic of Japanese opera is likely a notable one and this should be red link per WP:RED Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:09, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom --Lenticel (talk) 07:12, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Noh. "Japanese opera" is a phrase used in that article. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 09:52, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Both Noh and the arguably more "operatic" Kabuki could plausibly be called "Japanese opera", and often have been: "Kabuki is Japan's opera. Dramatic storylines featuring sword-fights, ghosts, and love affairs are brought to life by gorgeously clothed performers." Theatre of Japan explains this well enough. A look through google suggests Japanese opera could only ever be a disam page, although there are some modern Western-style operas. Johnbod (talk) 15:45, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate to Musical forms of theatre in Japan and its principal traditional forms Noh and Kabuki. – Fayenatic London 15:12, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 07:47, 27 September 2024 (UTC)- Delete As-is, this redirect is incredibly confusing: it brings the unsuspecting reader to a page that says nothing about opera. That said, what did the searcher expect to find? An opera company or theater in Japan? An opera written by a Japanese composer? A native Japanese opera-like theater genre? Garbage in, garbage out, we should not answer an open-ended question with a random response or even a collection of these. Викидим (talk) 19:46, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Well, what they would have expected to find is presumably something fitting in Category:Opera by country. So maybe garbage out, but definitely not garbage in. 1234qwer1234qwer4 20:47, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with you that this interpretation is the most plausible. Alas, we do not have a text similar to French Opera. Викидим (talk) 20:35, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Well, what they would have expected to find is presumably something fitting in Category:Opera by country. So maybe garbage out, but definitely not garbage in. 1234qwer1234qwer4 20:47, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
Het Rijk
[edit]- Het Rijk → Politics of the Netherlands (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. CycloneYoris talk! 07:30, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- There's a lot wrong with this page, so I am not able to fix it completely, but I have included a reference to "Het Rijk". Dajasj (talk) 07:53, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Dajasj's edit. Now mentioned at the target, and het Rijk is just Dutch for the (Dutch) realm. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 13:29, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per above if it is indeed unambiguous with other Dutch-speaking countries. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:33, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
Cow neck
[edit]Seems like a plausible target for a neck cut of beef also. (Though unfortunately web search results seem to be obscured by misspellings of cowl neck.) 1234qwer1234qwer4 02:43, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- The neck cut of beef in itself is not a WP:NOTABLE target. The Cow Neck Peninsula is notable, and moreover is known colloquially simply as "Cow Neck". Best, Castncoot (talk) 03:58, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Convert to dab. The discussion thus far doesn't seem to recognize that Cow Neck is distinct from Cow neck. Cow, Cut of beef, and Cow Neck Peninsula are all plausible targets. "Cow neck" in reference to Cow Neck Peninsula is very rare, but has been used at at least once in print. Daask (talk) 14:50, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. This is not Cow Neck Peninsula, but Cow Neck exists for that. Whilst "neck" might describe a Cut of beef, it isn't mentioned in the article in that way (and no other "Cow xxxx" redirect targets that article). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 17:09, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
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2005–06 South Carolina Gamecocks men's basketball team
[edit]- 2005–06 South Carolina Gamecocks men's basketball team → South Carolina Gamecocks men's basketball#Dave Odom era (2002–2008) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete this redirect. This NCAA Division I basketball team, the University of South Carolina Gamecocks, won the prestigious postseason National Invitation Tournament that year. A standalone season article easily passes GNG and this redirect will confuse readers and editors alike into thinking they will find out more NIT championship season-specific info, but instead are taken to a four-sentence blurb of a section about the head coach of that season? Give me a break. See Category:National Invitation Tournament championship seasons for myriad examples of worthy standalone articles. SportsGuy789 (talk) 04:18, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. A redirect does not prevent anyone from creating an article or improving information about the season at South Carolina Gamecocks men's basketball#Dave Odom era (2002–2008). As it currently stands, this is a suitable target and should be kept. Esolo5002 (talk) 04:55, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'd like to point you to WP:REDYES. mwwv converse∫edits 11:10, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
First Americans
[edit]- First Americans → First American (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- The First Americans → Indigenous peoples of the Americas (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- First settlers of the Americas → Peopling of the Americas (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- First North Americans → North America's Forgotten Past (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Hm. First American only links Indigenous peoples of the Americas, though maybe should link Peopling of the Americas as well; if not, then the plural "First Americans" should be considered unambiguous given the other disambiguation page entries. The last redirect points at a series of historical fiction books, which is probably not the primary topic. 1234qwer1234qwer4 02:55, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Seems like all of these should redirect to Indigenous peoples of the Americas. Yuchitown (talk) 21:05, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- First Americans and The First Americans should both point to Indigenous peoples of the Americas because nothing on the First American dab page could be plural other than "Indigenous peoples of the Americas". First settlers of the Americas should be deleted as it could mean several things, gets no views, and has no incoming wikilinks. First North Americans should definitely stay as is, because it can only mean the book series previously at that title; it is virtually never used to refer to indigenous peoples. Bottom line: retarget the first, keep the second and fourth, and delete the third. Station1 (talk) 06:08, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support this suggestion. That sounds reasonable. Yuchitown (talk) 10:28, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Station1: What else could First settlers of the Americas mean? It looks unambiguous to me. jlwoodwa (talk) 21:18, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Aside from Indigenous peoples of the Americas versus Peopling of the Americas, the first thing that popped into my mind, rightly or wrongly, was European colonization of the Americas. Station1 (talk) 03:39, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
Calvinosaurus
[edit]- Calvinosaurus → Calvin and Hobbes (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 02:32, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete unless a mention is added. It's not currently mentioned anywhere on en.wp. It was mentioned in the article when the redirect was created. WikiBlame is just timing out so I can't easily find when and why it was removed. The mention at the time was unsourced, but google suggests it would be trivially sourceable. I have no opinion whether it should be mentioned. Thryduulf (talk) 13:00, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
SMDP
[edit]- SMDP → First-past-the-post voting (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This abbreviation of single-member district plurality is not mentioned at the target; at the same time, there are Santa Monica Daily Press and St Martin de Porres School (Ghana) (or probably other entries at St. Martin de Porres (disambiguation) as well), so it might need disambiguation. 1234qwer1234qwer4 02:25, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig. The electoral district acronym is mentioned in a few places, but the best for a redirect target is List of electoral systems#Systems (if it isn't added to the current target). In addition to the Santa Monica newspaper and Ghanaian school, there is Cristo Rey St. Martin College Prep in Illinois (formerly St. Martin de Porres High School) and the code for Shahabad Mohammadpur railway station in India that should be on the dab page. The International Space Station has Service Module Debris Protection, mentioned in several places, nowhere brilliantly but List of International Space Station spacewalks and 2007 in spaceflight#EVAs could be considered as targets. "Mellichamp Academic Initiative in Sustainable Manufacturing and Product Design (SMDP)" is mentioned at Susannah Scott but I'm wondering if that's a typo (I've not investigated). A couple of other things get passing mentions but that's it for what I've found. Thryduulf (talk) 03:42, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig. Senior Management Development Programme in the UK, Simple Mail Delivery Protocol (unlikely to ever get an article, but notable), Semi-Markov decision processes in math popped up in searches. Викидим (talk) 17:56, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
Free (computing)
[edit]- Free (computing) → Free#Computing (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
After Special:Diff/1236379436, the target section only contains a single entry, so this is no longer an {{R from incomplete disambiguation}}. I'm not sure Free (programming) would be a great target, though. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:19, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment My first thought is that Free software at least should be reinstated to that list as people will be using it to find that meaning of Free in the context of computing. Thryduulf (talk) 03:46, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- My guess would be that this was about freeing memory. Andre🚐 07:03, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
Template:Distinguish redirect
[edit]- Template:Distinguish redirect → Template:Redirect-distinguish (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The title of this redirect can be seen as misleading since the target template first takes a parameter to fulfill the "Redirect" statement, and then the second parameter is used to fulfill the "distinguish" statement. Someone who does not know how the target template works could see this redirect's title and potentially do these in reverse order, which is not what the target template is used for. Steel1943 (talk) 01:01, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: the original usage is
{{Redirect-distinguish|REDIRECT|PAGE1|PAGE2}}
. the synonym provides{{distinguish redirect|REDIRECT|PAGE1|PAGE2}}
, which reads more like a command, hence it's useful as a mnemonic. the distinguishable pages are not mentioned in the template name, original or its synonym. fgnievinski (talk) 01:17, 27 September 2024 (UTC) - Leaning keep as well. This seems rather harmless and definitely aids searching for the correct template. 1234qwer1234qwer4 02:26, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per above. I don't see this as misleading at all, but a very useful redirect from a reordering of words with the same meaning. Thryduulf (talk) 03:47, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
Fhqwghads
[edit]- Fhqwghads → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Fhqwgads → Strong Bad Sings (and Other Type Hits) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The latter was already discussed at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 July 22#Fhqwhgads (which I apparently missed while collecting the redirects for the mass-nominations); that said, as misspellings of a term (Fhqwhgads) that is already not mentioned at the target, I'm not sure how useful these are. 1234qwer1234qwer4 00:14, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- How'd you even find this? Can this be moved to my userspace as a relic? Andre🚐 07:02, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Userfy; not mentioned at target and Andre wants it Charlotte (Queen of Hearts • talk) 21:05, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks! This page (specifically Fhqwhgads) has an edit from User:AaronSw from 2004, so it's part of Wikipedia and internet history. Andre🚐 21:34, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
Kid Speedy
[edit]- Kid Speedy → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Tendafoot → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Bigg Nife → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Marshie → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Marshie, The Marshmallow → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Marshie, the Marshmallow → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Marshie the Marshmallow → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Marshie The Marshmallow → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- "Lem" Sportsinterviews → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Leomard Sportsinterviews → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Leomard "Lem" Sportsinterviews → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Lem Sportsinterviews → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Kinda Long Haired Band → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- The Kinda Long Haired Band → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- West is Lip → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- West Is Lip → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Delabor → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Thoraxcorp → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Thorax Corporation → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Bronco trolley → Homestar Runner#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Battle of Strong Badia → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- FLAGRANT SYSTEM ERROR → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Homestarmy → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Piemonade → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Teal Screen of Near Death → Homestar Runner#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Bear holding a shark → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- The Bear holding a shark → Homestar Runner#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Grumblecakes → Homestar Runner#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Where's an Egg? → Homestar Runner#Web games (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Where's an egg? → Homestar Runner#Web games (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Where's an egg → Homestar Runner#Web games (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Non Sequitur Champ → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Polymascotfoamalate → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Trudgemank → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Pfargtl → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- It's dot com → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Crazy-go-nuts → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Homeschool Winner → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- The Unguraits → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Onion Bubs → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Brainkrieg → Homestar Runner#Music (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Eh! Steve! → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Eh! Steve → Homestar Runner#Sweet Cuppin' Cakes (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Eh Steve → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Bwathom → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
None of these is mentioned at the target. I checked every one individually and there is nothing on the English Wikipedia any of them could be retargeted to, with search results showing the occasional incidental match but otherwise only turning up this page, as well as a Wikiquote page a couple times, which is normally not considered an appropriate target. Apart from Where's an Egg? and Eh! Steve, none have significant page history, with pages either being created as redirects or WP:BLARED from unsourced stubs. 1234qwer1234qwer4 00:05, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
Mr. Bland
[edit]Not mentioned at target. This appears as a character at The Clocks and Cross My Heart (1937 film), as well as in a passing-like mention at Elwood Glover (where I'm not sure it is necessary); other search results appear to be generic mentions of people named Bland. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:59, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Bland (surname) -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 07:15, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
Cool Tapes
[edit]- Cool Tapes → Homestar Runner#Music (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. There are Cool Tape Vol. 2 and Cool Tape Vol. 3, but I doubt these are useful for any kind of disambiguation/set index. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:56, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- UPD: I apparently missed List of Homestar Runner characters#Marzipan. Retarget there, I suppose? 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:57, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
H*R Wiki
[edit]- H*R Wiki → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- HRWiki → Homestar Runner#The Homestar Runner Wiki (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Wiki is not discussed at the target apart from an external link (which it probably shouldn't be either per WP:EL), so these are not useful. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:53, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment hrwiki redirects to Croatian Wikipedia. Thryduulf (talk) 00:00, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- retarget to croatian wikipedia per thryduulf cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- That should certainly not apply to the former redirect. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:38, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- oh yeah whoops, delete that one cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:20, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- That should certainly not apply to the former redirect. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:38, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
Grood
[edit]Not mentioned at target. Used in various meanings across the English Wikipedia, but apart from "Dr. Grood" at The Lost Planet (serial) and Matthew de Grood, these appear to be passing mentions. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:50, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
Kerrek
[edit]Not mentioned at target. There is The Carracks, as well as multiple mentions at Critical Role campaign one. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:48, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
Asplode
[edit]- Asplode → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Your head a splode → Homestar Runner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Your Head Asplode → Homestar Runner#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target, but there is a Wiktionary entry at wikt:asplode (which does also mention the full phrase in the quotes). 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:44, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- retarget asplode to wikt:asplode, delete the other two, don't explode any heads cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 23:19, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
Melonade
[edit]Not mentioned at target; listed in Lucozade#Variants but there is also a more general Wiktionary entry at wikt:melonade. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:42, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
'Cause ain't no such things as halfway crooks
[edit]- 'Cause ain't no such things as halfway crooks → Shook Ones, Part II (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention of "halfway" or "crooks" at the target article. Utopes (talk / cont) 17:57, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Redirects from sufficiently well-known song lyrics can be useful even if the lyric in question is not mentioned in the article. This particular lyric is one of the song's best-known lines, and is part of the chorus, meaning it recurs regularly throughout the song's runtime. Accordingly, I believe it meets the threshold of usefulness. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 13:41, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:37, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, a well known lyric should redirect to its song. Seems like a perfect example of WP:CHEAP. Esolo5002 (talk) 04:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
Yippie-yi-o, yippie-yi-yay, ghost riders in the sky
[edit]- Yippie-yi-o, yippie-yi-yay, ghost riders in the sky → (Ghost) Riders in the Sky: A Cowboy Legend (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention of "yippie" or "yay" at the target article. Highly implausible and seemingly subjective onomatopoeia baked into the title, not just prose. It doesn't appear in the prose. Utopes (talk / cont) 20:46, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- "Keep. It's the lyrics of the chorus. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:51, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:35, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
Arrowed
[edit]Not mentioned at target, and doubtful if retargeting to arrow or similar is that helpful. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:09, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete or soft redirect to Wiktionary. There isn't, as far as I can find, any good local target for this. If pushed I'd probably say delete over soft redirect, but this preference is very weak. Thryduulf (talk) 23:45, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- soft retarget to wikt:arrowed because of the two equally plausible meanings. don't think something like bullet (typography) would work cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:56, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
Your mater
[edit]- Your mater → "Yo mama" joke (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Ya mater → "Yo mama" joke (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Yo mater → "Yo mama" joke (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Yah mater → "Yo mama" joke (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Yer mater → "Yo mama" joke (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Yoh mater → "Yo mama" joke (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
These seem to be as implausible as #Ur mater. Web search results mostly give rather irrelevant results (such as "Tokyo Mater" or "Bozh'ya Mater'", as well as entirely different languages). 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:02, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all as trivial or implausible. -1ctinus📝🗨 00:05, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all: implausible as English term, the "Yo mama" joke gives already the corresponding expression in other languages' Wikipedia. None of the expressions is given in "Yo mama" joke. --Cyfal (talk) 12:11, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
Hanyo
[edit]- Hanyo → Yōkai (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Hanyō → Yokai (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] Added by 59.149.117.119 (talk) 02:47, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
Not mentioned at target. Linked from an article and receives decent page views and search results might have some target alternatives, though I personally do not know what I should be looking for. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:56, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- It's a transcription of the Japanese term ja:半妖, which has terrible pop-culture WP:EXAMPLEFARM articles with zero sources on eight language editions of Wikipedia (the English Wikipedia one was deleted 16 years ago at AfD). All mentions of 半妖 or hanyo in English Wikipedia are WP:PTMs of TV episode/movie titles or unrelated concepts, none of which would be a useful redirect target. I think the best we can do here is to disambiguate (drafted) for The Housemaid (1960 film) and The Housemaid (2010 film) (whose Korean titles are transcribed as Hanyŏ) and add a {{wiktionary}} link to wikt:はんよう for anyone who was looking for the anime meaning. 59.149.117.119 (talk) 02:47, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
LGBT in the USA
[edit]- LGBT in the USA → LGBTQ rights in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- LGBT in the United States → LGBT people in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
These should point at the same target. Looking at Special:PrefixIndex/LGBT in, LGBTQ rights in the United States would reflect current consensus. Note that a LGBT in the United States (disambiguation) page already exists in case no primary topic is determined. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:49, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- They should both point to LGBTQ people in the United States per recent discussion at Talk:LGBT in the United States (disambiguation)#Requested move 19 June 2024. Raladic (talk) 02:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- I agree they should both be targeted to LGBTQ people in the United States as the broad concept article.--Trystan (talk) 03:03, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- →LGBTQ people in the United States per Raladic and Trystan. Lewisguile (talk) 06:18, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
Your Mom Goes to College
[edit]- Your Mom Goes to College → "Yo mama" joke (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention of this specific joke at the target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:40, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete due to not mentioned in the target. There exists already a redir Your Mom which is sufficient. --Cyfal (talk) 12:11, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
List of yo momma jokes
[edit]- List of yo momma jokes → "Yo mama" joke (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No such list at the target, and we don't need to suggest to readers that we do. (As with the nomination below, the copyright status of the initial revisions might be questionable too.) 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:38, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
Delete. As already mentioned: no such list. --Cyfal (talk) 12:11, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
Yomamajokes
[edit]- Yomamajokes → "Yo mama" joke (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
WP:UNNATURAL spelling of the page title with no spaces. (The copyright status of the list which was originally posted under this title might also be questionable.) 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:32, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- deletepernomcogsan(nagme)(stalkme) 11:07, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: with this spelling implausible as search term. --Cyfal (talk) 12:11, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
Deine Mudda
[edit]- Deine Mudda → "Yo mama" joke (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
WP:RLOTE; target does not mention German. See also #Mamma tua below. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:29, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. -1ctinus📝🗨 00:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: no use to create all foreign language analogues for "Yo mama" joke, especially because they are not mentioned in this article. The article already has links to the other languages. --Cyfal (talk) 12:11, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:RFOR. Fieari (talk) 05:56, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
KGVC (FM)
[edit]Not mentioned at target, highly implausible search term given parenthetical disambiguation. AusLondonder (talk) 21:27, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment KGVC appears to be another station owned by Radio Free Palmer. It's even mentioned on their website. The FCC site (link 1) states that the radio station is currently silent, and List of radio stations in Alaska lists it as "defunct." I'm torn between deleting to create an article or redlink or simply adding a mention. There's also KGVC-LP, which I guess could theoretically be an alternate target. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 21:57, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Comment the disambiguator is highly plausible for sequences of four letters starting with W or K as many articles about US radio stations are titled this way. As for this series of letters, it's complicated: This was previously the call sign of a radio station in Alaska, that is now defunct (according to KGVC and List of radio stations in Alaska). KVRF (AKA Big Cabbage Radio) was the parent of and/or is the successor to that station and/or now uses that call sign (different hits on google). Complicating matters is that KGVC-LP was also an FM radio station. Ideally I think this would redirect to the KGVC dab page as a {{R from incomplete disambiguation}} but unless content is added about the former station in Alaska that is just a single-entry dab page, with no other notable uses found by google (it's not an airport, the post-nominals are actually two separate ones: Knight Companion of the Order of the Garter (KG) and Victoria Cross (VC)). While the low-power (LP) station is the only one we have content about, it's the one with the lowest claim to primary topic status based on Google hits. Confusing me even further for a while was Google including hits for KVGC, a radio station in California, in all my search terms. I'll drop a note about this discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Radio Stations. Thryduulf (talk) 22:17, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- When the Alaska station FID 198603 existed, it nominally was the primary topic, though it never merited an independent article and would have been a redirect to KVRF. The station operated for less than seven years on this license and was functionally replaced by a new facility, KVRK FID 765583 , though Radio Free Palmer at one point intended to move KGVC out to complement its coverage area. (KGVC was shuttered because its tower site was reused for KVRK.) I recommend deleting this redirect, redirecting KGVC to KGVC-LP, and adding a hatnote: "KGVC redirects here. For 91.5 MHz in Glacier View, Alaska (2015–2022), see KVRF." (That article needs adjusting to even mention KVRK.) I also recommend redirecting KVRK to KVRF and instituting this hatnote there: "KVRK redirects here. For 89.7 MHz in Sanger, Texas (2004–2015), see KAWA (FM)." We need in this field to make more use of hatnotes to substitute TWODABS that nobody truly needs. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 02:15, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- I think this is a good solution. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 17:30, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
North Takoma
[edit]- North Takoma → Springfield (The Simpsons) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Though this redirect is mentioned in the target article, I believe this redirect would be better targeting a non-fictional target: retarget to North Takoma station or weak retarget to North Tacoma, Tacoma, Washington. Otherwise, disambiguation may be necessary. Steel1943 (talk) 21:25, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment if retargetted to the station then the target should have a hatnote to the settlement in Washington. Thryduulf (talk) 21:29, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed. Steel1943 (talk) 21:30, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Thryduulf: I made a major change to my nomination statement (diff) for reasons which ... may be self-explanatory when looking at the section below. I'm letting you know in case this affects your comment. Steel1943 (talk) 21:37, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the note, I was busy researching the history of the below redirects (it's very annoying when WikiBlame keeps timing out) when you withdrew the nomination. As for my comment, I don't currently have an opinion about which of the three targets is best, but whichever is chosen there should be hatnotes to the other two. Thryduulf (talk) 21:46, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate as no clear primary topic, Google seems to return more results for the Springfield meaning but its probably reasonable to say no clear primary topic. Crouch, Swale (talk) 16:48, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
North Tacoma (The Simpsons)
[edit]Misbehaviour
[edit]- Misbehaviour → Behavior (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Misbehavior → Behavior (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Ill-behaved → Behavior (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not actually helpful redirects. The reader expects a description of, well, bad behaviour, but instead is redirected to a page that describes "behaviour" in general and doesn't describe misbehaviour in the sense of a kid pulling the cat's tail. Misbehaviour isn't actually the antonym of "behaviour" here, even though it sounds like one. The behaviour article discusses behaviour in its broadest biological and societal sense. Soft redirection to wiktionary seems the best option here. Cremastra (talk) 19:44, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Weak disambiguate misbehavior/misbehaviour the only entries which strictly meet MOS:DAB are Misbehavior (film) and Misbehaviour (film), and various WP:DABMENTIONs (e.g. songs on Behaviour (Saga album) and Come of Age), but there's a whole bunch of stuff that would go in WP:DABSEEALSO: Missbehavior, Misbehaving (disambiguation), a {{wiktionary}} link, and closely-related concepts like acting out or misconduct or anti-social behavior which just barely fail MOS:DABSYNONYM (they mention "rebellious behavior", "behavior which is unacceptable", etc., though never strictly use the word "misbehavior"). Perhaps a bit of a WP:IAR but it seems better to disambiguate than move both films to their base titles and put giant hatnotes on them. 59.149.117.119 (talk) 02:00, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - Firstly, I want to point out that, rather than Behavior, since the term "misbehavior" is generally understood to refer to Human behavior, that should probably be the proper redirect target. Just one problem: to my astonishment, there is no mention of misbehavior in that article. Surely there should be at least a full section there! I also checked out the articles about Misconduct and Deviance (sociology), but neither of them is truly appropriate. Wish I had a good answer! Oh btw, I removed the "antonym" reference before I came to this discussion. Anomalous+0 (talk) 01:35, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
Ur mater
[edit]implausible variant not mentioned in article. 80 page views in almost a decade. Not helpful. DELETE. -1ctinus📝🗨 18:51, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
Delete: Non-plausible search term, not mentioned in the target article. --Cyfal (talk) 12:11, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
Universal Studios
[edit]- Universal Studios → Universal Studios, Inc. (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
"Universal Studios" is typically used to refer to either Universal Pictures, the film studio (as a nickname/former name), or the various theme parks around the globe named "Universal Studios" that are operated by Universal Destinations & Experiences. The parent company of both divisions is also named Universal Studios, Inc., which is where universalstudios
- Electing for disambiguation per nominator's rationale. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 00:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Universal Pictures (second choice is disambiguation) – At the very least, we have a rough consensus here against Universal Studios, Inc. as the primary topic, with some in that discussion leaning toward Universal Pictures instead. Universal Pictures was originally titled Universal Studios for more than a decade until an undiscussed technical move occurred (never got the discussion it deserved). Then recently in May, the redirect was changed to point to the parent company article instead of Universal Pictures (again, no discussion until this month).
- Best case I can present here is that the number of monthly pageviews Universal Pictures receives dwarfs every other Wikipedia article covering some aspect of the company. Outside of Wikipedia, it's much of the same. When you visit the main company's website, the film IP is front and center. When you visit their theme parks, film is front and center there too. Marketing? Yep, still front and center. The entire company revolves around (and depends on) it's film intellectual property, despite having a presence in other areas. Clearly, "Universal Studios" is a term that is most closely associated with the motion picture division of the company. The only other real competition here is Universal Destinations & Experiences, but per WP:DISAMBIG#Deciding to disambiguate, we simply place that in a hatnote like it is currently at Universal Pictures. If someone really feels a disambig page is necessary, we can add that to the hatnote as well. Simple.
- BTW, even if the result is no consensus, the redirect should revert back to its former target, Universal Pictures. There doesn't appear to be consensus for that change either. --GoneIn60 (talk) 19:44, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'll preface this by saying that consensus is presumed unless reverted, so we do have four months worth of implicit consensus for Universal Studios' current target, and many years worth of implicit consensus for Universal Pictures' current title.Now, let me present a counterargument. If you look up "Universal Studios" on any search engine, depending on where you are located, you'll most likely see results for the theme park closest to you. For me, it's Universal Studios Hollywood, but you might get Universal Studios Florida, Universal Studios Japan, Universal Studios Singapore, or Universal Studios Beijing. What you likely will not see is Universal Pictures, the film studio, because the word "Studios" does not appear anywhere in the name "Universal Pictures"; it's simply being used as a shorthand or nickname. If you look at sources that discuss the film studio and theme parks, most use "Universal Pictures" to refer to the studio and "Universal Studios _____" to refer to the parks. I don't dispute the fact that Universal Pictures is more notable/important/popular than Universal Studios (the theme parks), but what's the evidence that readers are likely looking for Universal Pictures (a non-title match) rather than the many other pages whose title contains "Universal Studios" when they search the latter term? InfiniteNexus (talk) 22:26, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
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consensus is presumed unless reverted
" – I know you know I'm a longtime editor (15 years in fact), so you don't need to explain implicit consensus to me, probably just like I don't need to explain to you that it's also the weakest form of consensus that only exists UNTIL "disputed or reverted" (either qualifies). It should be clear I've disputed it, but even if that escaped your attention, did you already forget about this revert by Intrisit? Or how about this revert by 162 etc.? Perhaps I should also take a moment to point out that STATUSQUO is just an essay with zero bite, since you've used it as justification in one of those reverts."we do have four months worth...for Universal Studios' current target
", "many years...for Universal Pictures current title
" – Really? Prior to May, we had 7 years for Universal Studios → Universal Pictures! You can't see this in the immediate history, because the redirect was overwritten in December 2023 by a page move, but it had been like that for years following the 2017 technical move I linked above. 4 months doesn't hold a candle to 7 years, but regardless of the comparison here, presumed consensus is non-existent at this point. It's the same deal regarding the "Universal Pictures" article title. The article was previously titled "Universal Studios" for nearly 14 years, nearly double the amount of time it has been titled "Universal Pictures". Arguing in favor of recent presumed consensus while conveniently ignoring the previous presumed consensus that existed for a greater length of time doesn't make any sense. Your "preface" didn't do your counterargument any favors."If you look up "Universal Studios" on any search engine...
" – I think it's time you move away from this notion of relying on a basic web search for the premise of your argument. You did this in the previous discussion, and I showed back then (as I'll do now) that these are misleading arguments to bring to the table without proper context. The problem with using Google in the manner you are doing so now is that the "top hits" are tailored to advertising. SEO marketers exploit weaknesses in Google's search algorithms, such as PageRank, to game the system and push to the top of search result rankings. The problem continues to get worse each year, despite improvements made by Google and competing search engines. What you are witnessing in the results is bias; a bias toward marketing/selling/advertising. A better test would be to use Google Books, search on "Universal Studios" in quotes, and then on the results page, refine the results by using the dropdown "Any document" and selecting "Books" only (IMO, the other formats are more likely to cover travel and leisure in the form of advertising, skewing the results). Now what you'll find is that the first page is 4 hits movie studio, 6 theme park. There are some Econoguide and other travel-type publication hits on the next couple pages that favor theme parks, but from page 4 through page 10, the hits are predominantly the movie studio, and by a wide margin. I didn't spend time digging beyond that, but feel free, as this is a more reliable result that holds more weight. Do you find that interesting? I certainly did.In any case, this may not be the so-called evidence required, and a disambig page is still an acceptable alternative, but let's not pretend that the recent change to the redirect back in May has any kind of standing consensus. Should this discussion end in no consensus, you can bet I'll be reverting that change. --GoneIn60 (talk) 10:29, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- "
- I'll preface this by saying that consensus is presumed unless reverted, so we do have four months worth of implicit consensus for Universal Studios' current target, and many years worth of implicit consensus for Universal Pictures' current title.Now, let me present a counterargument. If you look up "Universal Studios" on any search engine, depending on where you are located, you'll most likely see results for the theme park closest to you. For me, it's Universal Studios Hollywood, but you might get Universal Studios Florida, Universal Studios Japan, Universal Studios Singapore, or Universal Studios Beijing. What you likely will not see is Universal Pictures, the film studio, because the word "Studios" does not appear anywhere in the name "Universal Pictures"; it's simply being used as a shorthand or nickname. If you look at sources that discuss the film studio and theme parks, most use "Universal Pictures" to refer to the studio and "Universal Studios _____" to refer to the parks. I don't dispute the fact that Universal Pictures is more notable/important/popular than Universal Studios (the theme parks), but what's the evidence that readers are likely looking for Universal Pictures (a non-title match) rather than the many other pages whose title contains "Universal Studios" when they search the latter term? InfiniteNexus (talk) 22:26, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
Mamma tua
[edit]- Mamma tua → "Yo mama" joke (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Votre mere → "Yo mama" joke (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Tu Madre → "Yo mama" joke (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Votre mère → "Yo mama" joke (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Tu madre → "Yo mama" joke (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
per WP:RFDOUTCOMES, none of these phrases are mentioned in the target article and violate the idea that foreign language redirects should be closely related to the article. Delete all. -1ctinus📝🗨 18:40, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- they're not even direct translations of the article title. mother would be an equally plausible target. delete per rlang cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:RLOTE. Note that I have only just bundled the diacriticised version Votre mère into this nomination. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:35, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: no use to create all foreign language analogues for "Yo mama" joke, especially because they are not mentioned in this article. The article already has links to the other languages. --Cyfal (talk) 12:11, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete All per WP:RFOR. Fieari (talk) 05:57, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
MrBro
[edit]- MrBro → MrBeast#Early life and family (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target; only a passing mention exists at Karl Jacobs. (Also, I'm not sure what exactly Cewbot's edits to the redirect were "fixing", but the page has been "reminded" twice of a broken anchor.) 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:29, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
All India Institute of Medical Sciences, Awantipora
[edit]- All India Institute of Medical Sciences, Awantipora → All India Institutes of Medical Sciences (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
All India Institute of Medical Sciences, Awantipora needs an individual article, like other branches of All India Institute of Medical Sciences, for example; All India Institute of Medical Sciences, Vijaypur, Jammu Inu06 (talk) 17:09, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
Diffusion semigroup
[edit]- Diffusion semigroup → C0-semigroup (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 16:31, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
Paraguay men's national under-19 basketball team
[edit]- Paraguay men's national under-19 basketball team → Paraguay men's national under-17 basketball team (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Paraguay national under-18 and under-19 basketball team → Paraguay men's national under-18 basketball team (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Paraguay national under-19 basketball team → Paraguay men's national under-18 basketball team (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I would like to delete these three redirects. Paraguayan youth national basketball teams play only in categories: U15, U16 and U17. They never played in the U18 category, not even in the U19 category. Maiō T. (talk) 16:23, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
Santa Maria Beach
[edit]- Santa Maria Beach → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Does not seem to be mentioned anywhere on the English Wikipedia in the context of GTA. There is, however, an article on a beach called Praia de Santa Maria, as well as content on some beaches located in places named Santa Maria, such as Santa_Maria,_Ilocos_Sur#Santa_Maria_Beach, Santa María del Mar District (Peru), Capo_Vaticano#Geography, Beach_cleaning#Cleanest_beaches, as well as some image captions. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:14, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
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Independence of Path
[edit]- Independence of Path → Conservative force (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Path independent → Nonholonomic system (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Path independence → Path dependence (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
These should presumably point at the same target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:35, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
Wii GameCube
[edit]- Wii GameCube → Wii#Backward compatibility (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Seems like a classic WP:XY to me. I don't see this as a plausible search term. Delete. -1ctinus📝🗨 14:23, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- mhm. delete per nom cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:25, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
The authorities
[edit]Re-target to authority, re-target to government, redirect to Wiktionary, keep, disambiguate or delete? I would prefer the first one. -1ctinus📝🗨 14:18, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Authority (disambiguation) since Authorities redirects there. Steel1943 (talk) 20:47, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Authority (disambiguation) similar to Authorities. Multiple bodies could be referred to as "the authorities", not just law enforcement or the general topic of government. The DAB target would be the most appropriate. Fathoms Below (talk) 18:16, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
Gamma-ut
[edit]- Gamma-ut → Gamut (disambiguation) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Does not seem plausible anyone could confuse any of the uses of gamut with "ut" with a Greek letter prefix. If it is plausible, then perhaps it should target gamut directly instead of the dab page. Mdewman6 (talk) 03:46, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget It's a musical term, so the intended meaning is the "gamut (music)" entry, but that currently redirects to an article that does not explain it. Given the current state of the articles, Guidonian hand is a better target, as it uses the term and explains the meaning. Currently the variant Gamma ut redirects there, and this should as well. Rigadoun (talk) 04:23, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Ah, I see. Yes, retarget to Guidonian hand per Rigadoun after my inadequate WP:BEFORE. Mdewman6 (talk) 05:35, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
God of the New Testament
[edit]When the God of the Old Testament (also a recently created redirect) is contrasted with the God of the New Testament, this is not generally the sentiment being expressed. Certainly not attempting to start a trinitarian debate though -- ha. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 05:29, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The New Testament God is Greek and doesn't equate with the Hebrew Yahweh. Trinity is at odds with the Old Testament. Jesus is a better re-direct that the "Trinity."--Arbeiten8 (talk) 08:22, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Change target to Names and titles of God in the New Testament. Definitely not "keep", as either the Trinity or God the Father are more obvious synonyms than Jesus. Fram (talk) 08:29, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget, either as suggested by Fram (though that article is solely about naming) or to God in Christianity. Rosbif73 (talk) 08:37, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget as suggested by Fram. At best the phrase is ambiguous, and "Jesus" is not usually described as "God" in the New Testament, but treated as a separate entity. P Aculeius (talk) 11:49, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete I actually don't think we have a good target here. The nominator is correct that Jesus is not really an appropriate target. I don't think the target suggested by Fram is that helpful, as searchers would probably not be looking for information on the name of God IMO. My preference would be for a red link, because having an article about the concept of God in the New Testament specifically seems like a plausible article topic. (Rosbif73's suggestion of God in Christianity is a better target than the other two articles but still not my first preference). - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 01:21, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- There is also New Testament theology. Surprisingly, we don't seem to have a lot of content on the topic of this redirect anywhere. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:36, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- I considered that as a target as well, but that article is more about academic studies than discussing the theology per se. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 01:41, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - Let's take a step back a moment and consider the context of these two phrases. In modern English discourse, when someone says "God of the Old Testament" they, rightly or wrongly, are referring to the concept of an angry vengeful god that actively destroys the wicked, or just anyone insufficiently respectful. When someone says "God of the New Testament", they, rightly or wrongly, are referring to a "peace and love", "hippie" style pacifist, non-interventionalist, forgiving god. Again, I'm not talking theology right now (if I was, I would vehemently disagree with both of the previous statements) I'm simply talking about what these phrases mean in the English language. Given that this is what the phrases mean, I think both links should go to an article that discusses these specific aspects or perceptions of god... I'm sure we have some, or should have some, given how extensively these topics have been discussed and written on by all manner of scholars. There may be more than one good target, in which case a disambiguation page might be appropriate. I think I would object to simply targeting Jesus or God in Christianity, as these don't really cover the plain meanings of how the phrases are used in English. I don't think we should delete, because this is a VERY plausible search term, and we DO have information on it... the problem is just pointing the user to the correct spots they are looking for. I don't have specific suggestions for where to go though, as... quite frankly, there's a lot. But the status quo doesn't seem right. Fieari (talk) 04:00, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget. I find God in Christianity the most appropriate of the above suggestions, but instead I suggest God_in_Abrahamic_religions#Christianity. This immediately follows God_in_Abrahamic_religions#Judaism on the same page, and these sections provide accessible introductions to the God described in Hebrew Bible & NT respectively. – Fayenatic London 14:57, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget per Fayenatic London. Andre🚐 00:05, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep It is a factual statement and not an implausible search term for someone interested in the Bible.★Trekker (talk) 17:31, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
God of the Old Testament
[edit]- God of the Old Testament → Yahweh (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Recently created alongside God of the New Testament (also under discussion at RfD). I don't think that Yahweh is the best target, as it's hard to know if readers will be looking for the ancient interpretation as discussed in the current target or more contemporary ones. I suggest retargeting to God of Israel (a disambiguation page), which is a synonymous phrase IMO. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 01:28, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
Support Andre🚐 01:55, 12 September 2024 (UTC)Retarget to God_in_Abrahamic_religions#Judaism per Fayenatic London Andre🚐 06:47, 28 September 2024 (UTC)- Neutral Another target could be "Gods of Israel" (Elohim); however, my opinion is that the singular God of the Hebrew Bible worshipped therein is Yahweh.Arbeiten8 (talk) 08:23, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- If there's multiple potential targets, why not just target a disambiguation page? Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 13:50, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose since the definition of Yahweh (as used inside that article) is Ancient polytheistic god. tgeorgescu (talk) 16:18, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- How's that an argument to have God of the Old Testament redirect there? Shouldn't God of the Old Testament really point to something later than God in Judaism? Since the Old Testament itself as we know it was probably an artifact from the monotheistic period. Andre🚐 23:57, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Oppose I agree with @Presidentman: that God of Israel (the disambiguation page) is a much more logical target. 50.221.225.231 (talk) 06:57, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to God_in_Abrahamic_religions#Judaism, which provides a reasonably accessible introduction, and is immediately followed by a section on God in Christianity which should be the target of the related New Testament redirect. – Fayenatic London 15:00, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
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Łódź 1
[edit]As opposed to Łódź 2 and Łódź 3? The city is not known as "Łódź 1," though there is a rather normal office building called Łódź 1 that is not mentioned at the target. The redirect appears to be a leftover from a now blocked account incorrectly moving the page from Łódź to Lodz and has only received 8 page views in 2 years. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 00:58, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- you don't have sequels to your cities? delete as... i'm not entirely sure if it's malformed or just collateral damage from a typo, but get it out of my sight cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:20, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. New and improved—now made with organic materials and 100% asbestos-free! Cremastra (talk) 20:17, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. I had sequels to my cities all the time back when I played Sim City 2000 regularly. I don't think I named any of them Lodz though, and definitely not Łodź. To the best of my knowledge, every single one of them would fail WP:V. Thryduulf (talk) 22:23, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete this implausible leftover from some sequence of page moves. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:24, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Clearly yall are not thinking out the box, why not create PREQUELS to your cities? New from the Local Government of Łódź, it's Łódź -1! Now with more pollution and inefficiency! mwwv converse∫edits 11:19, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
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- So New Amsterdam 2? Obviously the solution is a resetquel to the entire city of Chicago, in the same vein as Meigs Field. mwwv converse∫edits 18:02, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- I just hope the closing admin closes it as at "[result] 1". Cremastra (talk) 18:14, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- So New Amsterdam 2? Obviously the solution is a resetquel to the entire city of Chicago, in the same vein as Meigs Field. mwwv converse∫edits 18:02, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
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Ostpreußenlied
[edit]- Ostpreußenlied → de:Ostpreußenlied (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Cross-wiki redirect C F A 💬 00:20, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose I am the creator of this redirect, but still, this seems like a very useful cross-wiki redirect. There's no article for Ostprussenlied on the English Wikipedia yet, so having this redirect will most likely make things much more convienent... Also there's no rule against cross-wiki redirects, is there? Kxeon (talk) 01:28, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oops, more dumbness from me. As it turns out, there is a rule on that: "Soft redirects to non-English language editions of Wikipedia should be avoided because they are generally unhelpful to English-language readers. Instead, editors should link to the alternate language Wikipedia directly with one of various forms of interlanguage links."
So I Oppose deletion but it seems best to Change to interlanguage links.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Kxeon (talk • contribs) 02:34, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oops, more dumbness from me. As it turns out, there is a rule on that: "Soft redirects to non-English language editions of Wikipedia should be avoided because they are generally unhelpful to English-language readers. Instead, editors should link to the alternate language Wikipedia directly with one of various forms of interlanguage links."
- Comment would it be better to make the current redirect into an article based on the de.wiki version? --Lenticel (talk) 02:50, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Yeah, it probably would. I just hope someone here knows German so that it can work. Unless a machine translation somewhat touched up would be fine... Kxeon (talk) 04:33, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Interlanguage links are only useful directly from the prose and as the entire content of the page are less useful than soft redirects. Thryduulf (talk) 10:32, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as unhelpful. (Alternatively, weak retarget to East Prussia, which has this in the infobox including an audio recording, though it is currently linked there so the redlink could encourage article creation.) 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:26, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as this is definitely useful as a WP:REDLINK. This article is available in six languages, but love it when it has yet to come to ENWP. JuniperChill (talk) 22:17, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, unless there is an appropriate local target for this page. Sending readers to non-English content is not helpful. Additionally, the plain {{soft redirect}} template is not used in the mainspace (WP:SOFTSP). See here for precedents. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 15:43, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as per rule cited above. Also, the only article that is using this redir, East Prussia, already has a nice interlanguage link which however does not work because this redir exists. --Cyfal (talk) 07:49, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
Ostprussenlied
[edit]- Ostprussenlied → de:Ostpreußenlied (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Cross-wiki redirect C F A 💬 00:19, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose I am the creator of this redirect, but still, this seems like a very useful cross-wiki redirect. There's no article for Ostprussenlied on the English Wikipedia yet, so having this redirect will most likely make things much more convienent... Also there's no rule against cross-wiki redirects, is there? Kxeon (talk) 01:28, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Oops, looks like I immediately thought this was about deletion. It doesn't have to be about that. Once more, I'm dumb.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Kxeon (talk • contribs) 01:36, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oops, more dumbness from me. As it turns out, there is a rule on that: "Soft redirects to non-English language editions of Wikipedia should be avoided because they are generally unhelpful to English-language readers. Instead, editors should link to the alternate language Wikipedia directly with one of various forms of interlanguage links."
So I Oppose deletion but it seems best to Change to interlanguage links.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Kxeon (talk • contribs) 02:32, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oops, more dumbness from me. As it turns out, there is a rule on that: "Soft redirects to non-English language editions of Wikipedia should be avoided because they are generally unhelpful to English-language readers. Instead, editors should link to the alternate language Wikipedia directly with one of various forms of interlanguage links."
- Comment Oops, looks like I immediately thought this was about deletion. It doesn't have to be about that. Once more, I'm dumb.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Kxeon (talk • contribs) 01:36, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Interlanguage links are only useful directly from the prose and as the entire content of the page are less useful than soft redirects. Thryduulf (talk) 10:33, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as per the section above; this one is also misspelt. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:27, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Wow. It looks like I somehow never caught this. Oops... Kxeon (talk) 20:42, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- return to red per the nomination above. tpyo seems plausible-ish tbh cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:39, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, unless there is an appropriate local target for this page. Sending readers to non-English content is not helpful. Additionally, the plain {{soft redirect}} template is not used in the mainspace (WP:SOFTSP). See here for precedents. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 15:42, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, similar as Ostpreußenlied. --Cyfal (talk) 07:49, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Question to Kxeon: Nevertheless, why did you create Ostprussenlied? Was this a typo and you ment Ostpreussenlied, for replacing the ß by ss because the letter ß is not part of the English alphabet? --Cyfal (talk) 15:36, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Answer to Cyfal: Heck, I even tried to type it as Ostprussenlied just now...
Did I ever catch it? No, because I forgot of the e's mere existance. I made Ostprussenlied before Ostpreußenlied. Oops.
And as for the eszett, I'm on a tablet right now!
My laptop is getting fixed right now! It is the one with the compose key; if I had it the eszett wouldn't be a problem for me. But I'm stuck on Android right now, so yeah...
- Answer to Cyfal: Heck, I even tried to type it as Ostprussenlied just now...
- Kxeon (talk) 16:18, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for your answer! Typos can happen to anyone, I've made a number of them myself... --Cyfal (talk) 22:23, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
Jimmy Neutron Happy Family Happy Hour
[edit]- Jimmy Neutron Happy Family Happy Hour → The Adventures of Jimmy Neutron, Boy Genius (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This is a non-notable YouTube video based on the series where the quote "The pizza is aggressive" comes from. It's not mentioned in the target article, so I'm not sure if we still need this redirect lying around. Regards, SONIC678 00:18, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Strong Delete indiscriminate vanity redirect. Not mentioned in the target. -1ctinus📝🗨 13:58, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
LGBT in Mexico
[edit]- LGBT in Mexico → LGBTQ topics in Mexico (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Wouldn't LGBT people in Mexico be the Wikipedia:Broad-concept article? --MikutoH talk! 00:16, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- That would be fine by me. It currently redirects to LGBTQ topics in Mexico, which is broader. I'd have no objections changing it. I believe it originally redirected to LGBT topics in Mexico and I just added the Q for WP:CONSUB. Lewisguile (talk) 06:03, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Looking at Special:PrefixIndex/LGBT in, I would say retarget to LGBTQ rights in Mexico unless we want to change the entire list of redirects. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:45, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- @1234qwer1234qwer4 check this and this, there are few country articles with LGBTQ people in prefix, and only two with LGBTQ topics in. --MikutoH talk! 23:58, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, this is probably less consistent than I thought; might need a mass-nomination in the future. 1234qwer1234qwer4 00:07, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- The need to improve consistency in the organization of our articles on LGBTQ people by country came up recently at WT:LGBT#"LGBT rights in country" vs "LGBT in country".--Trystan (talk) 01:32, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, this is probably less consistent than I thought; might need a mass-nomination in the future. 1234qwer1234qwer4 00:07, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- @1234qwer1234qwer4 check this and this, there are few country articles with LGBTQ people in prefix, and only two with LGBTQ topics in. --MikutoH talk! 23:58, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- I would retarget to LGBTQ people in Mexico, consistent with the name of the broad concept article for other countries (for those that have one). The topics article could be merged into the other existing articles.--Trystan (talk) 03:08, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
Capstan Station (SkyTrain)
[edit]- Capstan Station (SkyTrain) → Capstan station (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Canada Line (SkyTrain) → Canada Line (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Brand new (last 48 hours) unnecessary redirects created by newer editor. May have been created in error based on related elements that do require disambiguation (cf. Expo Line (SkyTrain) and Edmonds station (SkyTrain)). Existing titles not ambiguous and no incoming links from mainspace. Joeyconnick (talk) 21:19, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Perfectly harmless {{R from unnecessary disambiguation}} redirects. Neither being "unnecessary" nor having no incoming links are reasons to delete a redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 13:05, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Thryduulf. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 18:41, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
Part Deux
[edit](NPP action) This isn't a suitable {{r from subtitle alone}}, since an intitle search shows another article (I Love the '90s: Part Deux) and five redirects with the same subtitle. It shouldn't be made into a disambiguation page, since those are all partial title matches. It shouldn't be redirected to Part Two, since it's not mentioned there (and the partial title matches shouldn't be added). That just leaves deletion. jlwoodwa (talk) 23:36, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Part Two as a synonym, and add only a link to search for the text "Part Deux" to that page. In my experience, people say Part Deux as a direct substitute for "Part Two" fairly regularly, so I don't see a reason we shouldn't treat them the same. (If this turns out to be against consensus, my 2nd choice would be to delete.) Fieari (talk) 05:17, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 10:55, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Weak disambiguate as two titles contain this phrase, but not sure if they are WP:PTM (against the stance) or WP:SUBTITLES (support the stance). Do not retarget to Part Two as the redirect is both not a title match and is mixed language. Steel1943 (talk) 19:57, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
T Bone Mendez
[edit]- T Bone Mendez → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- T-Bone Mendez → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target; appears at the T-Bone disambiguation page and is linked from Frost_(rapper)#Career, where the only information is that Frost was the voice actor for this character, but no in-universe content. Not sure if this warrants a retarget. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:21, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
Keep for now pending the outcome of Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 12#List of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas characters. If the list is restored, redirect there. Otherwise re-nominate, preferably all of these characters in a single nomination. --Un assiolo (talk) 11:22, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment the discussion Un assiolo referenced was closed as delete. Thryduulf (talk) 10:21, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- In that case, delete. --Un assiolo (talk) 10:41, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
Melvin "Big Smoke" Harris
[edit]- Melvin "Big Smoke" Harris → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Melvin Harris (character) → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Melvin Harris (Grand Theft Auto) → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
None of the content mentioning "Melvin Harris" on the English Wikipedia seems to be about this character. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:43, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep His name is mentioned in the game's credits. Hansen Sebastian (Talk) 01:26, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- How does that help a reader find any content on it (or find out that we don't have what they are looking for), though? 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:37, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Isn't it enough that the game mentions his name without having to read it? There's also the game's booklet. Hansen Sebastian (Talk) 02:40, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Without having to read what? If you think this merits a mention in the article, then go ahead, but in the current state a reader will be directed to an article where they won't find what they are looking for, which is information on the topic of their search term. 1234qwer1234qwer4 03:17, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Isn't it enough that the game mentions his name without having to read it? There's also the game's booklet. Hansen Sebastian (Talk) 02:40, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- How does that help a reader find any content on it (or find out that we don't have what they are looking for), though? 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:37, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
Keep for now pending the outcome of Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 12#List of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas characters. If the list is restored, redirect there. Otherwise re-nominate, preferably all of these characters in a single nomination. --Un assiolo (talk) 11:22, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete now that the mentioned alternative target has been deleted. --Un assiolo (talk) 10:42, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
Lance Wilson
[edit]- Lance Wilson → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Lance "Ryder" Wilson → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. Three unrelated people are mentioned at Withcott#History, I_Go_Back#Content, and 1990_Texas_Longhorns_football_team#Personnel (as well as some mentions of a Lance Wilson-White). 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:49, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - His name appears in the game's credits, which is enough proof that such a character is notable in its own way. Hansen Sebastian (Talk) 02:39, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- RfD is not a place to discuss notability but to determine whether redirects are helpful, which is not the case when their target provides no information on their topic. 1234qwer1234qwer4 03:18, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Non-notable character not mentioned at target, which makes the redirect misleading. It doesn't matter that they appear in the credits if we imply there will be info at a location where there is not. Hey man im josh (talk) 04:07, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to I Go Back, which prominently mentions a different person by this name several times and gives a reason why people might be searching for information about them ("One version of the official music video ends with the note: "In memory of Lance Wilson and all the summers I shared with him"."). There is also an American footballer with this name who gets a couple of entries in lists but nothing in depth. Thryduulf (talk) 10:06, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Presumably your comment should only apply to the former redirect. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:05, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, I don't know if the second was added after my comment or I just didn't spot it, but my comment relates only to "Lance Wilson". Thryduulf (talk) 16:24, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Presumably your comment should only apply to the former redirect. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:05, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
Keep for now pending the outcome of Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 12#List of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas characters. If the list is restored, redirect there. Otherwise re-nominate, preferably all of these characters in a single nomination. --Un assiolo (talk) 11:21, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
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Delete now that the mentioned alternative target has been deleted. --Un assiolo (talk) 10:42, 26 September 2024 (UTC)- @Un assiolo: I Go Back has not been deleted and the mentions of Lance Wilson have not been removed from the article. Thryduulf (talk) 11:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry for not reading the discussion more carefully. Retarget Lance Wilson, delete Lance "Ryder" Wilson per Thryduulf. --Un assiolo (talk) 11:59, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Un assiolo: I Go Back has not been deleted and the mentions of Lance Wilson have not been removed from the article. Thryduulf (talk) 11:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
ZSWU
[edit]Not mentioned at target; according to a web search, this refers to "Wuhu Airbase". Note that the WHU disambiguation page mentions the corresponding IATA code, which is also not mentioned in the article. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:01, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Wuhu Wanli Airport -- this is a result of a pagemove in 2017 and a bot stupid-fixing the redirect. The mover didn't bother to correct the incoming redirects. -- The existing hatnote on the current target leads to the other airport article, the correct one, so pretty easy to find the place to retarget it, either with the hatnote or through the redirect history at Wuhu Airport (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) which is the original target of this redirect ZSWU (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 23:24, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oops. Sorry I missed this. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:26, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
Disflation
[edit]Retarget to or disambigate with Disinflation. This term has become more common since 2007. It has probably become the primary topic to anyone searching. The current target doesn't mention this outside of a hatnote, and might cause readers to confuse the two terms. 174.89.12.36 (talk) 20:17, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Disinflation. The lede paragraph of that article already disambiguates well enough, linking to inflation and deflation along with a brief sentence or so of guidance for each, just as a DAB would provide. And I agree, this is the likely target that the searcher is looking for anyway. Fieari (talk) 05:53, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete since ambiguous misspellings are not usually awarded disambiguation pages, and this is no exception. Steel1943 (talk) 02:35, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget per Fieari as by far the most helpful to readers. Thryduulf (talk) 10:24, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
Buccal organ
[edit]- Buccal organ → Sucker (zoology) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Buccal organs → Sucker (zoology) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
"buccal" in this context means "of, in, or relating to the mouth". i hear there is at least one other organ that can be in the average mouth, that not every mouth has or is a sucker, and that suckers are not the primary topic for this term. no idea what this could be retargeted to, aside from mouth cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:05, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment the first hit on google for me is Rohde 1979
Light and electron microscopic studies of the ‘buccal suckers’ of Gotocotyla secunda showed that they are complex structures with muscular, glandular, (resorptive?), and probably sensory components. The name ‘buccal organ’ is therefore proposed for them.
which clearly equates them with suckers. Looking further though I've rapidly become out of my depth in jargon so I can't answer the only relevant question in the nomination - "is the target the primary topic for this term". I'm going to leave a note at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anatomy and hope that project is more active than the talk page makes it seem. Thryduulf (talk) 00:00, 11 September 2024 (UTC)- Also worthy of note is that this was originally a two-sentence stub starting
Buccal organs, also known as bucal suckers, are present in worm parasites of the order Mazocraeidea.
, it was then redirected to Sucker (parasitic worm anatomy) which was merged to the present target in February 2014 by Chhandama. Thryduulf (talk) 00:11, 11 September 2024 (UTC) - went and did some more in-depth looking at those results, and they equated the term "buccal organ" with "organ of, in, or relating to the mouth". buccal suckers are buccal organs by this definition, but so are teeth, tongues, and lips cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:46, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Also worthy of note is that this was originally a two-sentence stub starting
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20 Years of Noise 1985–2005
[edit]- 20 Years of Noise 1985–2005 → Necrodeath (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Article was redirected about 6 months ago due to lack of notability, but there is no mention of this title at the target. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 18:08, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
Apple Internet Phone Operating System
[edit]- Apple Internet Phone Operating System → iOS (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Implausible redirect. Nobody calls the iPhone the "internet Phone". -1ctinus📝🗨 17:25, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Nothing has changed since this was kept in June. Thryduulf (talk) 18:03, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- The problem with the previous nomination is that they focused on the redirect being unambiguous. While it is unambiguous, literally nobody calls an "iPhone" an internet phone. It is completely implausible and unhelpful. All the endorsements for keeping had "weak", and it's for a good reason. Sorry if this is badgering but I need to elaborate. -1ctinus📝🗨 18:49, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- As noted in the previous discussion it isn't "completely implausible" but actually rather plausible and helpful. You need to introduce new arguments that are actually reasons to delete if you want this nomination to go anywhere. Thryduulf (talk) 19:37, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, completely implausible. There are zero Google results unrelated to Wikipedia. If plausible, you would expect to see at least some usage. -- Tavix (talk) 21:11, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Unambiguous target, harmless, and WP:CHEAP applies. As for being implausible, I might have thought so, but since its creation it has in fact seen a surprising (to me) number of views suggesting it has use to someone and thus should not be deleted. Fieari (talk) 05:25, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Tavix. --Un assiolo (talk) 10:44, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- delete as implausible key term salad, and seemingly not even close to being its actual etymology cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:40, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Your comment doesn't seem to relate to this redirect at all: It's entirely unambiguous and directly relates to it's single target, that being the operating system for Apple's Internet phone. As for the etymology, you're just plain wrong: iPhone states, with multiple sources,
According to Jobs in 1998, the "i" word in "iMac" (and thereafter "iPod", "iPhone" and "iPad") stands for internet, individual, instruct, inform, and inspire.
. Thryduulf (talk) 11:51, 26 September 2024 (UTC)- is this... one of my arguments being outed as poorly researched, with evidence clearly and unambiguously debunking it? well played. still, delete per tavix, as it requires jumping through at least three mental hoops with an outdated name for one of five possible "full" names that not even the most pedantic pedant i know would ever bother to use outside of the context of this redirect. as for the views, i kind of wish i was joking, but a good portion of them were from me, following the original rfd. something something bad habit of clicking on things
- also, the possessive form of "it" has no apostrophe, which is a painful truth i wish i could unsee, but that's besides the point cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:21, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Your comment doesn't seem to relate to this redirect at all: It's entirely unambiguous and directly relates to it's single target, that being the operating system for Apple's Internet phone. As for the etymology, you're just plain wrong: iPhone states, with multiple sources,
Great Fray Smash Brothers X
[edit]- Great Fray Smash Brothers X → Super Smash Bros. Brawl (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Same reason for deletion as previous "Great Fray" redirects posted to RfD: "a literal translation of original Japanese name; very unlikely search term". (I just didn't notice this one) ArcticSeeress (talk) 15:51, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per my arguments in the previous RFD. Unless someone can show why THIS particular "Literal Translation" is more accurate than, say, "Big Battle Smash Brothers X" or "Grand Melee Smash Brothers X" or "Large Brawl Smash Brothers X" or any number of other possibilities for a literal translation, I don't see why this should be kept. Fieari (talk) 05:28, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 10:45, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
Squawkbox (Transformers)
[edit]- Squawkbox (Transformers) → Autobot#Miscellaneous (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention in target article, or any of the Lists of Transformers characters articles. Belbury (talk) 15:17, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete One of 278 redirects to Autobot that aren't mentioned there, as a result of double redirects bots going crazy. Delete the other 277 too. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:58, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. If you think the "other 277 redirects" deleted then they will need to be tagged a listed here. You can ask AWB user to do the tagging and listing if you don't want to do it yourself. However doing them in batches is less likely to result in a train wreck (certainly I'd separate any undisambiguated ones from those ending in "(Transformers)" as there is a much greater chance of retargetting being viable). Thryduulf (talk) 18:09, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'm aware of that. I'm unlikely to have the time and motivation to do a proper look through of those, especially since the basic concept that redirects from plot points not mentioned at their target are bad is being challenged below, but I figured that I should at least point it out in case anyone else was inclined. * Pppery * it has begun... 18:19, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. If you think the "other 277 redirects" deleted then they will need to be tagged a listed here. You can ask AWB user to do the tagging and listing if you don't want to do it yourself. However doing them in batches is less likely to result in a train wreck (certainly I'd separate any undisambiguated ones from those ending in "(Transformers)" as there is a much greater chance of retargetting being viable). Thryduulf (talk) 18:09, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
F-duction
[edit]Not mentioned at target. Appears in the Index of genetics articles (despite being a redirect, though the page also contains a bunch of redlinks), and is mentioned in the article about Edward A. Adelberg, who apparently discovered this. 1234qwer1234qwer4 02:06, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
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- This a synonym to sexduction and, as far as I can tell, just an outdated way of referring to bacterial conjugation. Sexduction itself is a redirect to bacterial conjugation and is also not mentioned in that article. Maybe retarget to Bacterial conjugation and tag with {{R from alternative name}} ― Synpath 15:04, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
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[edit]Meth King
[edit]- Meth King → Walter White (Breaking Bad) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I honestly do not believe that there is a primary topic for this term. Hog Farm Talk 04:12, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- REtarget to drug lord -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 04:14, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, don't retarget, not directly mentioned at the suggested page. Utopes (talk / cont) 01:02, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- drug lord mentions "methamphetamine" which is meth, and king and lord are synonyms in this case. So it is not an unreasonable redirect for "drug lord" -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 23:31, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
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Becton dickenson
[edit]- Becton dickenson → BD (company) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Misspelling, miscapitalization, AND a shorter name, all in one. Seems implausible? asilvering (talk) 03:13, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep The company is widely known as "Beckton Dickinson" so there is no issue at all with the length. All lowercase is almost always going to be a plausible search term, and I see no reason why it wouldn't be in this case. That leaves only the misspelling and Google results show that this is a common one - almost certainly given that it's a very plausible phonetic spelling. Putting it all together I'm seeing no reason to delete (it was only created today so there are no page view statistics). Note that this spelling is also currently in the lead of the article, but it was added by the redirect creator at about the same time. Thryduulf (talk) 03:27, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- This was my edit. I ran across the company in a news article that called it "Becton Dickenson", looked it up here, and didn't find a match. I quickly realized BD is the same thing and so created the redirect and added the alternate term to the intro. Brad (talk) 16:57, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. The properly capitalized version of this redirect with a spelling error still exists. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:13, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
Subcarpathian Polish Athletic Association
[edit]- Subcarpathian Polish Athletic Association → Polish Athletic Association (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention at target. Only hit on google is MOSiR Stadium (Stalowa Wola). Cremastra (talk) 00:32, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, refers to this organization: Subcarpathia: Polish Athletics Association. It seems to be a literal translation --Habst (talk) 12:16, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete No mention of Subcarpathia at target. The organization mentioned by Habst seems to be a subsidiary organization of the Polish Athletic Association specifically for the region, but the redirect isn't useful if we have no information on it. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 16:41, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Presidentman, how about adding a list of regional organizations to the Polish Athletic Association article? --Habst (talk) 17:03, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'm happy with keeping if information is added. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 01:57, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Presidentman, how about adding a list of regional organizations to the Polish Athletic Association article? --Habst (talk) 17:03, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
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FSAS
[edit]There is also Assumption Island Airport, Forum for South Asia Studies, and some of our articles use this for Society of Antiquaries of Scotland. 1234qwer1234qwer4 03:51, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig per nom, Google results are all over the place with nothing even remotely approaching primary topic. I've also found Family Squatters Advisory Service (a predecessor to Advisory Service for Squatters that's mentioned in that article). A lot of results were for plural uses of FSA (especially but not exclusively in the context of Canadian postal codes) so there should be a see also to that disambig. Thryduulf (talk) 10:00, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate. Draft provided. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:20, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
The publisher is not responsible for the use which might be made of the following information.
[edit]- The publisher is not responsible for the use which might be made of the following information. → Disclaimer (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This disclaimer is not described at the target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 03:23, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Overly long, not mentioned at target, nothing to mention it at the target, and hard to find use for. mwwv converse∫edits 14:20, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Implausible search term. --Un assiolo (talk) 10:48, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - In the unlikely-in-my-estimation occurrence that someone is copying a line from a disclaimer they read or heard into our search bar, they will not be provided with information explaining the disclaimer they searched for. Fieari (talk) 05:04, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. It's like redirecting examples of profane words to Profanity, which is unhelpful (and I believe has precedence to be deleted, and I think I started such a discussion years ago, but cannot remember how to find that discussion.) Steel1943 (talk) 22:23, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
Disobedience
[edit]- Disobedience → Civil disobedience (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Civil disobedience is, by definition, a subset of disobedience. Most disobedience is mundane, like smoking next to a "no smoking" sign. I suggest a retarget to Obedience as an {{r from antonym}}, with current target added to hatnote. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 02:37, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- REtarget per nom -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 02:53, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
List of characters in the Suikoden series
[edit]- List of characters in the Suikoden series → Suikoden#Elements (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Lists of characters in the Suikoden series → Suikoden#Elements (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Lists of Suikoden series characters → Suikoden#Elements (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- List of recurring characters in the Suikoden series → Suikoden#Elements (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Target contains no such list(s). * Pppery * it has begun... 00:47, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- delete per nom. not present and the first one was entirely unsourced cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:19, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 10:49, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- The closing admin should take note of some of the comments at #Unmentioned Suikoden characters that may also apply here. If the goal is to preserve history I would be fine with moving to titles without "List of" (i.e characters in the Suikoden series) without leaving a redirect. * Pppery * it has begun... 14:45, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
Unmentioned Suikoden characters (2)
[edit]- Gilbert (Suikoden) → Suikoden#Suikoden II (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Valeria (Suikoden) → Suikoden#Valeria (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Viki (Suikoden) → Suikoden#Viki (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Viki(Suikoden) → Suikoden#Viki (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
None of these are mentioned at the target. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:47, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Viki(Suikoden) because there's no space between the title and the disambiguator. Unsure on the rest, though—they may not be mentioned, but as SnowFire says in the huge nomination below, the list of characters may be brought back with independent sourcing. I think these three should share the same fate as those in the huge nomination two nominations below this one (I am open to being swayed otherwise, though). Regards, SONIC678 06:29, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Just tagged Viki(Suikoden) with {{Db-x3}}. Steel1943 (talk) 02:56, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- The closing admin should take note of some of the comments at #Unmentioned Suikoden characters that may also apply here. * Pppery * it has begun... 14:45, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
List of characters in Suikoden
[edit]- List of Suikoden I characters → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- List of characters in Suikoden → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- List of recurring characters in Suikoden → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Target contains no such list. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:36, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 10:49, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- The closing admin should take note of some of the comments at #Unmentioned Suikoden characters that may also apply here. If the goal is to preserve history I would be fine with moving to titles without "List of" (i.e Characters in Suikoden ) without leaving a redirect. * Pppery * it has begun... 14:45, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
Unmentioned Suikoden characters
[edit]
- Alen (Suikoden) → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Apple (Suikoden) → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Barbarossa Rugner → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Bright (Suikoden) → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Camille (Suikoden) → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Clive (Suikoden) → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Gadget (Suikoden) → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Gadget Z → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Gaspar (Suikoden) → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Georg Prime → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Grenseal → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Hix (Suikoden) → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Humphrey Mintz → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Jeane (Suikoden) → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Joshua Levenheit → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Kasim Hazil → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Kasumi (Suikoden) → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Kessler (Suikoden) → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Killey → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Kraze → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Kun To → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Kwanda Rosman → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Leknaat → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Leon Silverberg → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Lepant → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Lilly Pendragon → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Lorelai (Suikoden) → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Lucia (Suikoden) → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Maximillian (Suikoden) → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Melodye → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Milia (Suikoden) → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Milich Oppenheimer → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Nash Latkje → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Neclord → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Pesmerga → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Ronnie Bell (Suikoden) → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Sarah (Suikoden) → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Sasarai → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Sheena (Suikoden) → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Silverberg family → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Sonya Shulen → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Stallion (Suikoden) → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Templeton (Suikoden) → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Tengaar → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Tuta (Suikoden) → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Windy (Suikoden) → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Yam Koo → Suikoden (video game)#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
None of these are mentioned at the target. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:36, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep all (applies to the above nominations as well; will C&P over there if necessary but it'll be the same discussion) per criterion 1 (these were all merged) and criterion 5 (they're useful - e.g. links from a disambig page or just searches on a character). It's also at least possible that the character lists could be brought back some day with better independent sourcing. Useful and harmless, best to let lie IMO. (See Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2018_January_11#Characters_of_Final_Fantasy_V for an example character list that was redirected, the redirect was nominated for deletion, the RFD failed and the page history was kept, and the article indeed came back later.) SnowFire (talk) 01:17, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- There's a distinction between redirects which refer to the characters as a concept, like the discussion you linked to, redirects which refer to the characters as a list, and redirects which refer to individual characters. Suikoden characters or Characters of Suikoden would be fine as redirects based on the precedent you linked to (which I agree with), because the target does contain some discussion of the characters as a concept. List of characters in Suikoden is harmful because its existence misleadingly implies that the target contains, well, a list of characters in Suikoden, which it doesn't, thereby leaving any user confused. Redirects for individual characters likewise are harmful because they misleadingly imply Wikipedia has some content on the character when it doesn't. And in particular they're not useful for links on a disambiguation page because any such usage would fail WP:DABMENTION, and the fact that it would fail that guideline is hidden from most of its enforcers who probably don't check for this. And I don't think either part of WP:R#K1 actually applies - the history of most of these is Fandom-style content which is worse that starting from scratch if you were to try to build an article on one of the characters, and nothing needs to be legally kept since nothing was merged any further than the lists that I also think should be deleted. * Pppery * it has begun... 02:16, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- List of characters in Suikoden contains significant page history that will be relevant if someone ever wants to attempt to restore these articles, and/or merge content from it. "Significant page history" is specifically a keep criterion at RFD. There's nothing misleading here at all: that was an article if someone follows some old links in the page history, and a redirect is the proper handle for it. Same for specific characters. There's no problem at all, and the standard at RFD is just "it's useful." I'm not saying that every single tiny piece of cruft has to be kept, if someone were to run around making redirects for every ability name or dungeon, but these all have non-trivial page histories and some of them are prominent characters where a redirect is useful (keep criterion 5).
- Would it change things if I said that I, personally, would find the page history useful? Because don't get me wrong, I do think that some of the list articles should come back, I just didn't want to bother fighting it out at a potential AFD unless I were to acquire sources that are probably in Japanese. But as the FF5 example shows, this absolutely can happen. I've worked on "serious" non-video gaming articles that were in weak, unsourced states, and generally the existing content - however problematic it was - was absolutely not worse than nothing, it was often quite helpful. SnowFire (talk) 02:27, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- I see redirects as based on the present, not the past - it's misleading to have a "list of Xs" redirect that points to a page where there is no list of Xs. It's misleading to have a redirect point to a place where no discussion of the term being redirected exists. I think we're coming from points of view sufficiently different that neither of us will convince the other one of our position, so I'll leave it at that. * Pppery * it has begun... 02:34, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- I guess, but this isn't just solely a matter of opinion with no right answer and just consensus. The RFD keep criteria are pretty explicit that "non-trivial page history" is indeed a reason to keep as is "useful to someone saying it's useful in good faith", both of which are met here. The characters of Suikoden are discussed in the relevant articles, if not to the depth the list formerly did. And just solely as a matter of practicality, rather than spend busywork deleting the redirects and requesting them to be recreated in userspace or the like, why not just let all the old redirects spring back to life if someone did write a modern-Wikipedia style Suikoden character list? (Not my main argument, but throwing that out there. Again, see the FF5 case - it seems by your logic, we should have deleted that article and all its redirects, then forced people wanting to recreate it to talk to an admin if they wanted to see the page history before recreating it and the redirects all later. For what advantage?) SnowFire (talk) 23:17, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- I disagree with the claim that deleting redirects that are unhelpful to readers is
busywork
. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:46, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- I disagree with the claim that deleting redirects that are unhelpful to readers is
- +1 Steel1943 (talk) 19:54, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- I guess, but this isn't just solely a matter of opinion with no right answer and just consensus. The RFD keep criteria are pretty explicit that "non-trivial page history" is indeed a reason to keep as is "useful to someone saying it's useful in good faith", both of which are met here. The characters of Suikoden are discussed in the relevant articles, if not to the depth the list formerly did. And just solely as a matter of practicality, rather than spend busywork deleting the redirects and requesting them to be recreated in userspace or the like, why not just let all the old redirects spring back to life if someone did write a modern-Wikipedia style Suikoden character list? (Not my main argument, but throwing that out there. Again, see the FF5 case - it seems by your logic, we should have deleted that article and all its redirects, then forced people wanting to recreate it to talk to an admin if they wanted to see the page history before recreating it and the redirects all later. For what advantage?) SnowFire (talk) 23:17, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- I see redirects as based on the present, not the past - it's misleading to have a "list of Xs" redirect that points to a page where there is no list of Xs. It's misleading to have a redirect point to a place where no discussion of the term being redirected exists. I think we're coming from points of view sufficiently different that neither of us will convince the other one of our position, so I'll leave it at that. * Pppery * it has begun... 02:34, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- There's a distinction between redirects which refer to the characters as a concept, like the discussion you linked to, redirects which refer to the characters as a list, and redirects which refer to individual characters. Suikoden characters or Characters of Suikoden would be fine as redirects based on the precedent you linked to (which I agree with), because the target does contain some discussion of the characters as a concept. List of characters in Suikoden is harmful because its existence misleadingly implies that the target contains, well, a list of characters in Suikoden, which it doesn't, thereby leaving any user confused. Redirects for individual characters likewise are harmful because they misleadingly imply Wikipedia has some content on the character when it doesn't. And in particular they're not useful for links on a disambiguation page because any such usage would fail WP:DABMENTION, and the fact that it would fail that guideline is hidden from most of its enforcers who probably don't check for this. And I don't think either part of WP:R#K1 actually applies - the history of most of these is Fandom-style content which is worse that starting from scratch if you were to try to build an article on one of the characters, and nothing needs to be legally kept since nothing was merged any further than the lists that I also think should be deleted. * Pppery * it has begun... 02:16, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep All for nontrivial history preservation and the usefulness to someone. WP:CHEAP applies, and I don't buy the argument that it is harmful. I don't think WP:LEAST would be violated if someone was redirected to this target, even if information is currently lacking, and there is a good faith statement above that these characters may have enough sources to be considered notable by wikipedia standards in the future, which I will accept at face value. Fieari (talk) 00:18, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- wouldn't the same logic that states that individual unnotable fire emblem character redirects (like matthew) should get deleted apply here? this seems a little too indiscriminate for me cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:19, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all. If they are not there, they are not there. Having readers being forwarded to the target article when there is literally nothing there about the redirects' subjects is misleading. If there is a concern with the histories of any of these redirects, consider restoring them and sending them to WP:AFD. Steel1943 (talk) 22:21, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- To put this in perspective, the WP:RCAT template {{R without mention}} puts the page into a maintenance category called Category:Redirects to an article without mention. The purpose of the aforementioned category is essentially a maintenance backlog; the category is meant to be empty, which means either the redirects that are tagged with this template should be deleted, or a mention of the redirects should be added to the target article. None of the "keep" votes yet have addressed this hypocrisy. If neither of the aforementioned actions are taken, it is akin to throwing the redirects back into the same maintenance backlog they were already in, resulting in no progress to improving the encyclopedia. Steel1943 (talk) 18:47, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
YOU SUCK!
[edit]- YOU SUCK! → Atlantic Records#2000s (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This is a generic insult. People are going to be astonished to see it point to a decades-old vandalism incident. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:19, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Strong strong strong strong strong strong strong delete — should’ve speedied it. Roasted (talk) 01:18, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, it's explained at the target. While it is 'generic', are there any other noteworthy instances of "YOU SUCK!"? -- Tavix (talk) 02:46, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep unless someone can show ambiguity. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 02:55, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment the proper target is Wikipedia in culture not Atlantic Records for the Weird Al incident. But there are other uses. See You Suck (disambiguation) which should be the target of the redirect (along with redirects You Suck and you suck) -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 03:45, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- off the top of my head, some notable-ish examples include shao kahn's wacky taunt and a ranking screen in pizza tower
- i guess the best option would be retargeting to the dab cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:14, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to You Suck (disambiguation) Web searches do not indicate that the vandalism incident is the primary topic, even when appending "Wikipedia" to the search. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 18:19, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep but put a hatnote to You Suck (disambiguation) at the target. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:26, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to You Suck (disambiguation), since I don't quite think there's enough evidence that this is the primary topic, but a link to Atlantic Records#2000s should definitely be added to that DAB to make sure that those looking for it can find it (the White & Nerdy link is insufficient). Fieari (talk) 00:13, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to White & Nerdy#Music video mention. That's the phrase's origin and thus the most direct reference. Hyphenation Expert (talk) 21:21, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
The pizza is aggressive
[edit]- The pizza is aggressive → Jimmy Neutron (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Non-notable meme that is NOT mentioned in the source article, making it an extremely unlikely search. Vanity redirect. Delete. -1ctinus📝🗨 00:05, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
SpeedyDelete per nom. Joke redirect and is not useful. cyberdog958Talk 00:17, 25 September 2024 (UTC)- Delete we are not an indiscriminate collection of memes --Lenticel (talk) 04:20, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Lenticel. mwwv converse∫edits 14:29, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
Ebrahim Ralsei
[edit]- Ebrahim Ralsei → Ebrahim Raisi (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
implausible typo. Too old for Speedy deletion unfortunately. Delete. -1ctinus📝🗨 23:57, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- I would suggest having that page deleted, I created the redirect with an old account and I suggest it be deleted. King I Likes Minecraft 1 (talk) 16:36, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
Shoilan Government Primary School
[edit]Quadrachromic pencil
[edit]Does not look like we have any content on this, neither at the current target nor at Colored pencil. 1234qwer1234qwer4 00:35, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment the history of this redirect suggests it's a {{R from merge}} but I've not investigated whether it was actually merged. The two sentences were enough that it wouldn't meet any speedy deletion criterion if restored but not enough to sustain an article. If sent to AfD I expect it would get a mix of !votes to delete, merge, and expand with consensus equally likely to be any of them. History and uses are obvious potential areas for expansion but I've not yet looked to see what sources are available. Thryduulf (talk) 04:27, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I think an entry for multi-colored pencils in general, including 3 color, 4 color, 5 color, 6 color, and more, would fit very well at Colored pencil#Types. I imagine it shouldn't be hard to find a sources simply stating what they are, maybe how they are made, who uses them, etc. Then we could redirect there. Fieari (talk) 06:15, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Search results are mostly Wikipedia mirrors. --Un assiolo (talk) 12:57, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
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Kingdom Hearts DS
[edit]Resident Evil RE:Verse
[edit]Blonde Haired Kid
[edit]- Blonde Haired Kid → Characters of Kingdom Hearts#Roxas (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
wouldn't it be wacky if there were at least two other people who met those two criteria just in the target? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:43, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Are there at least two other characters who were known as "Blonde Haired Kid" in fan theories before being named? ([19] [20]). There's probably a good place at Roxas (Kingdom Hearts) to mention this... -- Tavix (talk) 16:02, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- the medium source mentions the name in passing, and with no indication that it refers to roxas unless you're already neck deep in kh brainrot (in which case, my condolences). the tumblr link is tumblr, and moves out of the "whomst is that guy" topic a bit too fast for this discussion. results gave me... miscellaneous young blonde people
- also if my memory isn't failing me, that name was also thrown around for fellow full-time blondies naminé and ventus. likely in reference to roxas, but that's too much lore for my brain to handle cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:20, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- To be fair (NPI), search engines don't distinguish between "Blonde Haired Kid" and "blonde haired kid". Adding 'Kingdom Hearts' to the search gives a bunch of results like "Remember when Roxas was referred to as "Blonde Haired Kid (BHK)?", "Roxas was once just BHK (Blonde Haired Kid)" "...Internet forum hype back when Roxas was just known as BHK (blonde-haired kid)". Of course, internet fora aren't reliable sources, but they can be helpful to establish usage. -- Tavix (talk) 16:35, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- The fact that you need to disambiguate the Google search to find anything reinforces the point that this redirect is way too vague. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:51, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- To be fair (NPI), search engines don't distinguish between "Blonde Haired Kid" and "blonde haired kid". Adding 'Kingdom Hearts' to the search gives a bunch of results like "Remember when Roxas was referred to as "Blonde Haired Kid (BHK)?", "Roxas was once just BHK (Blonde Haired Kid)" "...Internet forum hype back when Roxas was just known as BHK (blonde-haired kid)". Of course, internet fora aren't reliable sources, but they can be helpful to establish usage. -- Tavix (talk) 16:35, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Weak retarget to Roxas (Kingdom Hearts) if there has been sufficient evidence provided that there is a connection between the subject and this term. Otherwise, delete as unmentioned in both the current target and Roxas (Kingdom Hearts). Steel1943 (talk) 16:17, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete There are millions upon millions of blonde-haired kids, real and fictional, in existence. This redirect is way too vague to target a specific one. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:49, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
Enigmatic Man
[edit]- Enigmatic Man → Characters of Kingdom Hearts#Organization XIII (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
do you have the slightest idea how little that narrows it down? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:45, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- To help you narrow it down: Per this and this, Enigmatic Man was a name for Xemnas before his identity was revealed. -- Tavix (talk) 16:08, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- a little late, but... yeah. he was known as that for a few seconds. the problem is that this isn't a kh-centric wiki, and this title isn't really notable outside of nomura teasing the fans that one time, so "enigmatic man" could really refer to anyone who keeps mysteries and is male. like that other guy with the gray hair and yellow eyes from kingdom hearts, or that other other guy with gray hair and yellow eyes from kingdom hearts, or lieutenant columbo cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:31, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig. In addition to many descriptive uses there are direct uses at Knut Hamsun#Early literary career, Carole Mortimer#Do Not Disturb Series Multi-Author and List of Kingdom chapters (Volume 10). There is also an external link titled this at Sidney Cotton but I don't think that's includable. Google tells me it is also the name of a perfume and a character from Final Fantasy XIV (and possibly more) that don't immediately appear to be mentioned here. Thryduulf (talk) 19:38, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- None of the pages actually refer to a subject as "Enigmatic Man"; they use either a "the" or "an" determiner. Disambiguation should be at The Enigmatic Man depending on the ptopic, but 2 of the 3 examples use this name so that seems like a good guess. Utopes (talk / cont) 19:44, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
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Wrestle with jimmy
[edit]Gedko Powało
[edit]- Gedko Powało → Gedko Sasinowic (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This is a spelling mistake: proper name for the article is Gedko Sasinowic, proper name for the redirect ist Gedko Powała. My request for a speed deletion was reverted [21] Herzog von Teschen (talk) 19:58, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I declined the request for speedy deletion because no WP:CSD apply, and the page was at this title from its creation until 19 January 2024, otherwise I have no opinion at this time on the merits of this RFD. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:DDCB:DE19:D77:8499 (talk) 21:00, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
Joey Jo-Jo Junior Shabadoo
[edit]- Joey Jo-Jo Junior Shabadoo → Springfield (The Simpsons)#Moe's Tavern (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
A one-time character from the episode The Last Temptation of Homer which is used in a brief gag. While that article could be a better target, it is mentioned in neither article.
This has been put up for RFD before, where it was redirected to a page that was later merged into this page. Xeroctic (talk) 15:21, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to the episode, and add an appropriate line of content. BD2412 T 16:56, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget and add content, but I'm not really that bothered. For the record this was the discussion that got me to create this redirect. And here's a subsequent discussion. JASpencer (talk) 07:09, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
Devara: Part 2
[edit]- Devara: Part 2 → Devara: Part 1 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Don't see anything about a part 2 on this article. Either a hoax or WP:TOO SOON. Delete. -1ctinus📝🗨 14:16, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep.
In late-2023, the film was split into two-parts.
-- Tavix (talk) 03:02, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
Bigg Boss (Telugu TV series) season 9
[edit]Johnny Bench Award
[edit]- Johnny Bench Award → Buster Posey Award (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Until 2019, the (Greater) Wichita (Area) Sports Commission gave the Johnny Bench Award to best catcher in college baseball. In 2019, Johnny Bench decided he wanted to start his own award and name it after himself. The Wichita Sports Commission renamed the existing award the Buster Posey Award. Since 2019, the current incarnation of the Johnny Bench Award has been given by Bench and the Cincinnati Reds to the top catchers in college baseball and softball as well as high school baseball and softball catchers in Ohio, Kentucky, Indiana and West Virginia.
In short, the Johnny Bench Awards are now distinct from the Buster Posey Award. It wasn't a simple renaming. This page should maybe become instead a disambiguation page which delineates the separate awards. Although I'm not sure if disambiguation pages are made unless there are multiple separate articles to link to (and I don't know that the new Johnny Bench Awards are notable enough for their own article). Dennis C. Abrams (talk) 13:31, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- WP:DABNOLINK says we can't have a dab page with just one blue link. My suggestion would be to have some content on either Johnny Bench or Cincinnati Reds that describes the modern version of the award and have Johnny Bench Award (2019–present) redirect with {{r to related topic}}, {{r to section}} and {{r with possibilities}} and then there can be a discussion if the Johnny Bench Award is a proper redirect or if there isn't a WP:PTOPIC and a dab page is necessary that a hatnote from Buster Posey Award wouldn't suffice, but until then Keep as there isn't a suitable alternative as proposed by nom. Bobby Cohn (talk) 14:48, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep unless you can document that the other Johnny Bench Award is notable in its own right, as there is nothing to disambiguate. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:50, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
Press Start (website)
[edit]- Press Start (website) → Southern Cross Austereo (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
not mentioned in target article -1ctinus📝🗨 13:19, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as I have added a mention to the 2010s section of the Southern Cross Austereo article, since SCA acquired Press Start in 2016.
Sources:
- Grixti, Shannon (25 March 2016). "Southern Cross Austereo Acquires Press Start". Press Start. Retrieved 1 October 2024. The article notes: "Southern Cross Austereo has announced a further development in its digital strategy. The Australian Media company have acquired Video Gaming publisher Press-Start.com.au and hired its founder and owner, Shannon Grixti as its Managing Editor."
- "SCA acquires press-start.com.au in digital expansion strategy". radioinfo Australia. 8 June 2016. Retrieved 1 October 2024. The article notes: "Southern Cross Austereo has made a further development in its digital strategy with the acquisition of Video Gaming Publisher Press-Start.com.au and appointment of its founder and owner, Shannon Grixti as Managing Editor. Press Start Australia was founded at the beginning of 2014 with the vision of creating content for all types of gamers/techies in Australia."
Yours sincerely, Bas (or TechGeek105) (talk to me) 02:16, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
N3rd
[edit]Probably ought to be a dab page as can conceivably refer to White N3rd of LuvBug or N3RD Street (which really ought to be at N3rd Street). Am I missing something? Launchballer 11:47, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- Hi i am not sure how this eneded up being a redirect from n3rd street, my bad! It should be it's own standalone musician page for N3rd (he changed his name from White N3rd and yes is a part of Luv Bug who have their own wiki page already) Tommonovisio (talk) 17:49, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- Hi is it possible to assist me please, so that the N3rd page can exist but we fix the issue where it became a redirect? @Launchballer Tommonovisio (talk) 20:03, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Hello @Tommonovisio:. I can advise that I redirected N3rd back to LuvBug as none of its claims were backed up by reliable sources; after removing them, the article did not assert why he was important or significant. If you can provide sources to back up your claims, feel free to try again, but consider starting in draftspace (i.e. Draft:N3RD).--Launchballer 00:06, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Okay thanks I will try to find references to verify the accolades/claims! Tricky thing is that he mostly writes tunes for other people which have had success, more so than his own releases.. Tommonovisio (talk) 17:42, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Hello @Tommonovisio:. I can advise that I redirected N3rd back to LuvBug as none of its claims were backed up by reliable sources; after removing them, the article did not assert why he was important or significant. If you can provide sources to back up your claims, feel free to try again, but consider starting in draftspace (i.e. Draft:N3RD).--Launchballer 00:06, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
Draft:2023 Sher-E-Punjab T20 Cup
[edit]- Draft:2023 Sher-E-Punjab T20 Cup → Punjab Kings (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Pointless redirect to an unrelated page. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 09:07, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- This seems to have been WP:BLARed and then draftified (while being a redirect). 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:17, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Well there's history so it shouldn't be deleted. C F A 💬 01:21, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Doesn't that only apply if the page's former contents were copied/merged elsewhere? jlwoodwa (talk) 15:41, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, but this a draftspace redirect so there's really no harm in keeping it in case someone wants to retrieve the content. C F A 💬 18:02, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Doesn't that only apply if the page's former contents were copied/merged elsewhere? jlwoodwa (talk) 15:41, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: There may be a rationale for discussing that a certain editor be temporarily banned from moving pages. (I'll leave it at that as I don't feel like getting too far in the weeds right now.) Steel1943 (talk) 02:57, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Note that 2023 Sher-E-Punjab T20 Cup is now a redirect to Sher-E-Punjab T20 Cup (though that article is subject to a deletion discussion, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sher-E-Punjab T20 Cup). I think a sensible action for this redirect is to restore the former article as a draft (that may have been Spinin's intention, and the only other major contributor has been indef blocked). If someone then wanted to bring it back to the mainspace they would be welcome to do so but I don't know how likely it would be to survive an AfD, it may depend on the outcome of the other AfD. A7V2 (talk) 01:30, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
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Standard for the Andalusian Language
[edit]- Standard for the Andalusian Language → Standard for Andalusian (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This name does not exist. Looking up "Standard for the Andalusian Language" in Google only brings Wikipedia mirrors. The would-be Spanish translation, "Estándar para el idioma andaluz", does not bring one single Google result, though it suggests the target page. This redirect came as a result of a newer user translating an article and choosing this name, which I moved to an accurate translation. Super Ψ Dro 11:08, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Unambiguous and harmless standard {{R from move}}. The article was at this title for 2 months until about half an hour before this nomination. Thryduulf (talk) 11:35, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- ...what? Thryduulf, you're arguing to keep a made-up proper name. Not a descriptive title, such as "Proposed standard orthography for an Andalusian language", any of which could be kept so long as it makes sense; but a made-up proper name. Where in Wikipedia's policies is it allowed to defend WP:OR and false proper names? Super Ψ Dro 20:00, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- I don't know what more I can say than what I said above: This is a redirect from a move, which we routinely keep because there will likely still be links to the old title (including from outside Wikipedia) and people will continue to expect to find it at that title. The title is also unambiguous (there are no other articles to which it could refer) meaning there is nothing to disambiguate and people arriving here will not be surprised to arrive at the target article. Additionally there is no other reason why the title is harmful, meaning there is no other reason to delete it. Policies like original research are not relevant to redirects in the same way they apply to article content or to the title of the article. Thryduulf (talk) 09:24, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- ...what? Thryduulf, you're arguing to keep a made-up proper name. Not a descriptive title, such as "Proposed standard orthography for an Andalusian language", any of which could be kept so long as it makes sense; but a made-up proper name. Where in Wikipedia's policies is it allowed to defend WP:OR and false proper names? Super Ψ Dro 20:00, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, which makes it seem as though the redirect and the target are not the same. Steel1943 (talk) 22:35, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Thryduulf due to the recency of the move. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 00:55, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep - Unambiguous target. Redirects are not required to be accurate, and in fact we have an entire category for redirects based on errors or mistakes. "Original Research" is, in fact, fine for redirects. A redirect is not an endorsement of accuracy, nor a statement that the name is valid. Redirects are not user facing, and are subject to far fewer and far less stringent standards for inclusion. All a redirect needs to be is helpful for navigation and search, unambiguous, and this one qualifies. Fieari (talk) 07:04, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
Snowball clause
[edit]A!
[edit]same-ish case as "a?". target doesn't help proving that this album is the primary topic for a common letter followed by a common punctuation mark cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:36, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment as per the A? nomination, this is the logo, "A!", currently used at the article Aalto University -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 21:08, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to A (disambiguation), and itemize there (the university can be listed with 'A?', 'A!', 'A"' (A-double-quote) logo variants -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 21:08, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
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A?
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 1#A?
$0.50
[edit]Cruel Intentions (2024 TV Series)
[edit]Year of Science
[edit]- Year of Science → Wikipedia:Year of Science (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This is not the only "Year of Science" in existence, and such an WP:XNR can be confusing. 1234qwer1234qwer4 20:14, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig or listify. There are many different years of science mentioned (mostly but not exclusively in passing) in various articles, and Annus mirabilis#1543 – The year of science and International years of science both exist. It wouldn't surprise me if there are also other relevant articles/sections as the search results contain a lot of irrelevant results too. Thryduulf (talk) 01:14, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Either disambiguate/listify per above or delete. The target and List of years in science come up in Google but the rest of the results aren't for the target so clearly not a Wikipedia specific term. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:09, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
The Red Palace
[edit]- The Red Palace → Kuwait Red Fort (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Thanks to the "The", a book The Red Palace is the primary topic for this title, so this seems like a WP:REDYES WP:PLA situation. Cremastra (talk) 14:51, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate there's also Potala Palace, Lal Mahal, Red Palace and Red Square, 1–7 Constitution Hill, Birmingham; the Saudi one is mentioned at Saud of Saudi Arabia; and see also for Red Fort and Red Castle -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 23:30, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: created a stub at The Red Palace (novel), likely the primary topic so it should be moved to The Red Palace. No opinion on a disambiguation page at Red Palace (disambiguation). C F A 💬 16:32, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Move The Red Palace (novel) to The Red Palace. Al qasr al ahmar is known at the Red Fort, so naturally disambiguated as Kuwait Red Fort, but it isn't known as "Red Palace" to my knowledge, but more importantly in any RS I can find (and Google: "red palace" +Kuwait). It was definitely a fort: it was never a palace. I've edited the article. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:04, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate at Red Palace or otherwise move the film, the title without the article goes to a building in Birmingham but I doubt its primary so per WP:DABNAME this would be the correct title for a DAB. Crouch, Swale (talk) 16:33, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
Template:R specific
[edit]Hunger protest in Nigeria
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 1#Hunger protest in Nigeria
In Business (magazine)
[edit]Template:WP LGBTQIA
[edit]Farage riots
[edit]- Farage riots → 2024 United Kingdom riots (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Negative redirect not mentioned in the target article. A quick Google search doesn't seem to show that is a common term. Borderline speedy deletion candidate. -1ctinus📝🗨 00:11, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- My quick google search showed that this is very much a term that has been used in reliable sources [22][23][24][25] and sources that may or may not be reliable (I've not looked in detail) [26][27][28][29] (and also a use in The London Economic titled "Farage Riots trend as Reform UK kick off conference" the filter won't let me link to). Many of the uses in both sets are quoting Nigel Farage complaining about others using the term, some of them attribute the term to him. I'm not sure whether a mention of the term at either the rioting article or Nigel Farage's article is due, but it's not a suggestion that can be dismissed out of hand. Thryduulf (talk) 00:29, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for the due diligence, but I won't withdraw my nomination unless it is mentioned in the article... non-neutral redirects without sources seems like a BLP violation, doesn't it? -1ctinus📝🗨 00:37, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- Good day. I created this redirect not out of agreement with the term, but rather because I had seen the name used to refer to these riots frequently at the time on social medias and on some reliable (and less reliable) news sites, as Thryduulf found. The term is certainly biased, I do admit that I am unfamiliar with Wikipedia's policies around redirects. My rationale was simply to help readers who may know these riots as the Farage Riots to get to the appropriate article.
- Anyway, I understand your reason for proposing deletion. I personally do not have enough knowledge on the subject of the article to integrate mention of this nickname in a well written manner. Regardless of the outcome of this discussion, thank you for editing! Mittzy (talk) 13:11, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
Cs office
[edit]De dust
[edit]Häxans förbannelser
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 1#Häxans förbannelser
Mesoclisis
[edit]Quran Afghanistan
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 1#Quran Afghanistan
Living Marxism (US)
[edit]Blowing down
[edit]- Blowing down → Blowing up (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention at target; only content on this inverse operation that I could find on the English Wikipedia is at Castelnuovo's contraction theorem. The page itself was previously merged, though there wasn't a lot of content to being with either. 1234qwer1234qwer4 02:32, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- I edited the article to mention blowing down as the inverse operation. I think that the redirect is reasonable, in that people might search for "blowing down". And the text now obeys WP:Redirect, I think. Mgnbar (talk) 12:33, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- I agree that the search term is very plausible. Ideally, we would have a little more extensive information on this at the article, but thanks for adding that sentence at least. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:18, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Shouldn't this point to a demolition topic? Blowing down buildings or bridges, etc. Or windstorm which meteorologically blow down things, as wind does -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 04:13, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Note that blowing up also isn't a redirect to explosion and the disambiguation page is located at blow up. I might be biased but I feel like someone looking for this gerund is likely to be interested in the mathematical topic. A blow down disambiguation exists as well, though. 1234qwer1234qwer4 12:36, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- The average Wikipedia reader has never heard of the mathematical concept of blowing up and down, and has no reason to search for it. (And I say that as a mathematician.) So it seems reasonable to redirect "blowing up" and its variants to something like Explosion. However, I have never heard "blowing down" or its variants used in connection with explosions or implosions, so that redirect would make less sense to me. By the way, there is a Digable Planets song named "Blowing Down". Mgnbar (talk) 13:34, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) I think "blowing up" is also wrong, since it should be a photography topic, as the primary topic. But, yes, there is also explosion. These mathematical topics will always be more obscure than the general uses found in public. And these mathematical topics are more obscure than the conventional highschool maths version of blowing up by a function tending to infinity in value; or "blowing up" by having singularities, as discussed in highschool physics. -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 13:41, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- I agree that the blow up disambig should definitely mention something like pole (complex analysis) or finite-time singularity (like the "explosion" explained at Ordinary differential equation#Global uniqueness and maximum domain of solution). Not sure again whether the ambiguity is present for the gerund in the same way, but that should probably be discussed at an WP:RM for the blowing up article. 1234qwer1234qwer4 16:22, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Note that blowing up also isn't a redirect to explosion and the disambiguation page is located at blow up. I might be biased but I feel like someone looking for this gerund is likely to be interested in the mathematical topic. A blow down disambiguation exists as well, though. 1234qwer1234qwer4 12:36, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to the blow down disambiguation page. It's just a different grammatical conjugation of the same thing. If additional entries need to be added to the DAB, feel free to do so. Fieari (talk) 04:48, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
Meetup/Ada Lovelace Edit-a-thon 2024 Cornell
[edit]- Meetup/Ada Lovelace Edit-a-thon 2024 Cornell → Wikipedia:Meetup/Ada Lovelace Edit-a-thon 2024 Cornell (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Inappropriate WP:XNR. 1234qwer1234qwer4 20:28, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment Unlike the similar redirects discussed recently this event is in the future (8 October) so the consensuses there do not necessarily hold. I've also notified the creator of the original page. Thryduulf (talk) 19:55, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete on or after 9 October, keep until then (unless the event organisers say it's OK to delete earlier). While this shouldn't have been created in the mainspace, it exists and may be on publicity about the event (it has been getting hits) so there is benefit in being as friendly as we can be to prospective editors until after the event. It's unlikely that this will cause any harm between now and then. Thryduulf (talk) 19:55, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Tabia, Sid Bel Abbés
[edit]- Tabia, Sid Bel Abbés → Tabia, Sidi Bel Abbès (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
this lemma must not be redirect, because the lemma is completely wrong spelt and not used with this spelling. And please correct the other Sid Bel Abbés lemmas in Category:Communes of Sidi Bel Abbès Province. Thank you, – Doc Taxon • Talk • 10:55, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Note I've fixed the nomination and tagged the redirect which was not done by the nominator. Thryduulf (talk) 19:59, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment this is a {{R from move}}, the article was at this title from December 2023 to August 2024. Thryduulf (talk) 19:59, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep due to the recency of the move. Using the incorrect accent also does not seem like an entirely implausible spelling error here. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 01:11, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Presidentman: It's not only the accent but Sid ≠ Sidi. Using the incorrect accent indeed is a spelling error and with that plausible too. – Doc Taxon • Talk • 15:24, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- The point that it is a recent move still stands. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 16:47, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Presidentman: It's not only the accent but Sid ≠ Sidi. Using the incorrect accent indeed is a spelling error and with that plausible too. – Doc Taxon • Talk • 15:24, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Presidentman, and since the article was located at this title for eight months. Should be tagged as {{R from misspelling}}. Similar to Tabya, Sid Bel Abbés, which was the target's title for thirteen years. CycloneYoris talk! 21:26, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
The Heavenly Bodies
[edit]Martha Atwater
[edit]Pentinat
[edit]Over by over
[edit]Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Next issue/Disinformation report
[edit]Southern Arena Stadium
[edit]Order of vanishing
[edit]- Order of vanishing → Zeros and poles (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Multiplicity of a root → Multiplicity (mathematics) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Multiplicity of a root of a polynomial → Multiplicity (mathematics)#Multiplicity of a root of a polynomial (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Multiple root → Multiplicity (mathematics)#Multiplicity of a root of a polynomial (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Simple root → Polynomial#Solving polynomial equations (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Simple root (polynomial) → Polynomial#Solving polynomial equations (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Simple zero → Multiplicity (mathematics) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Double root → Multiplicity (mathematics) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Double roots → Multiplicity (mathematics) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Repeated root → Multiplicity (mathematics)#Multiplicity of a root of a polynomial (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Repeated roots → Multiplicity (mathematics) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I feel like there should be some consistency in these redirects, and it's not immediately obvious to me how. 1234qwer1234qwer4 16:18, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- They could all go to Multiplicity (mathematics)#Multiplicity of a root of a polynomial, with the addition of a sentence or so to cover order of vanishing. Charles Matthews (talk) 18:02, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- BTW, Simple pole and Order of a pole (the latter created recently by me) also point at Zeros and poles; not sure if the multiplicity article would be more relevant here as well. 1234qwer1234qwer4 19:02, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- I cannot comment on all of the items above. I agree for one item: Repeated root → Multiplicity (mathematics)#Multiplicity of a root of a polynomial. Taweetham (talk) 23:55, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Just notified of this discussion at Talk:Multiplicity (mathematics) for the 10 other redirects. Jay 💬 14:28, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: We should get more opinions on such a large, bundled nomination.
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- Update: Repeated root is no longer a redirect. Liz Read! Talk! 05:09, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- In that case, "multiple root" and the final four should definitely point there, though the others are still inconsistent. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:19, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
Thailand Under-19 cricket team
[edit]Housing s at Saint Joseph's University
[edit]Burglary (history)
[edit]Death of Maumoon Abdul Gayoom
[edit]FC Djursholm
[edit]Starmergeddon
[edit]Tropical Depression Crising (2021)
[edit]Natoinal Kick a Ginger Day
[edit]Far-right riots
[edit]- Far-right riots → 2024 United Kingdom riots (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Wayyyy too vague for a redirect. There have been many far-right riots in history, such as the one in Charlottesville in 2017. Delete. -1ctinus📝🗨 20:06, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete or retarget I cannot seem to find any page or section specifically about far-right rioting, the closest being the page on rioting. There is also Right-wing terrorism (which some of the UK riots has been described as by some people) and List of ethnic riots, but not all far-right rioting might be described as such. Xeroctic (talk) 20:29, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate if there are indeed more topics that cover far-right riots. CNC (talk) 20:57, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget - I think a few good sources to avoid WP:SYNTH would justify a paragraph/couple sentences at Riot#Classification as a type of 'political riot'. Tule-hog (talk) 23:48, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- It seems the 'index' of riots is largely subsumed in the index found at Protest. Tule-hog (talk) 23:50, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig or retarget. I don't know what the best target for this highly plausible search term is, but it isn't one specific riot or set of riots so the current target is wrong. Thryduulf (talk) 19:19, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- How about Far-right terrorism as a redirect? -1ctinus📝🗨 13:45, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Far-right terrorism redirects to Right-wing terrorism so it's a good {{R from subtopic}}, however I don't see the connection to this discussion about Far-right riots? Most riots are not terrorism and most terrorism's only connection to rioting is tangential. Thryduulf (talk) 16:22, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- How about Far-right terrorism as a redirect? -1ctinus📝🗨 13:45, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Opinion is divided between Delete, Disambiguate and Retarget but there is no agreed upon new target article.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 08:12, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. The reader probably wants to go to the current target but (a) we can't send them there because as an encyclopaedia these riots aren't the clear primary topic in terms of historical far-right riots, and (b) in 5 years' time this redirect, if not maintained, will look rather silly. This is outside the remit of a disambiguation page: search results are the most helpful, in lieu of a potential list. J947 ‡ edits 03:45, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
Ǎs
[edit]Event Pokemon
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 29#Event Pokemon
San Francisco Bay Intl
[edit]Case insensitiv
[edit]Unimproved
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 28#Unimproved
Anthony Walsh (weed)
[edit]Street Gangs
[edit]Smooth variety
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 29#Smooth variety
Darklighter
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 1#Darklighter
Natoinal kick a ginger day
[edit]Phronima atlantica
[edit]Second Person Shooter Zato
[edit]OB(oligonucleotide/oligosaccharide binding)-fold
[edit]Brave, the Movie
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 29#Brave, the Movie
Aero blue
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 29#Aero blue
NURALIZA oSMAN
[edit]Template:Cita
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 29#Template:Cita
Template:Test0
[edit]- Template:Test0 → Template:Uw-vandalism1 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Template:Test1 → Template:Uw-test1 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Template:Test2 → Template:Uw-test2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
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- Template:Test5 → Template:Uw-block (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Template:Test6 → Template:Uw-vblock (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Template:Test7 → Template:Uw-voablock (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Template:Test1a → Template:Uw-delete1 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Template:Test2a → Template:Uw-delete2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Template:Test3a → Template:Uw-delete3 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Template:Test4a → Template:Uw-vandalism4 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Template:Test-n → Template:Uw-test1 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
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This "set" of templates redirects to 6 different user warning templates. These should all redirect to the same set, or be deleted. Current setup is unhelpful. Gonnym (talk) 08:05, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- The "test1a", "test2a" series of warnings was made to customize a message to people who tested in article space by randomly deleting portions of text rather than inserting random words so having the redirect to a separate set of uw-templates was a deliberate choice. While widely used then, I believe the newer templates have become firmly entrenched by the RecentChanges patrol.
I have no problem with deprecating or deleting these if they have fallen into disuse. Sjakkalle (Check!) 09:04, 20 September 2024 (UTC)- Keep per Fieari even if deprecated. There is no way of knowing how many still use them by subst-ing and deleting the templates would disrupt those warning messages for little discernible benefit. Redirecting the previously extensively used templates to their successors is a cheap service. Sjakkalle (Check!) 16:09, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - I'm fine with depreciating them, that's whatever, but they should NOT be deleted or retargeted, as they are in use on many many user pages, and should be kept intact for historical reasons if nothing else. Don't break things for tidyness sake, and don't make more work for ourselves for no necessary reason. Fieari (talk) 00:03, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- Shouldn't all usertalk templates be substituted anyway? jlwoodwa (talk) 19:31, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- "Should be" and "actually are" are two different things. Fieari (talk) 05:07, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Shouldn't all usertalk templates be substituted anyway? jlwoodwa (talk) 19:31, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
List of Grand Theft Auto Advance characters
[edit]- List of Grand Theft Auto Advance characters → Grand Theft Auto Advance#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- List of charaters in grand theft auto advance → Grand Theft Auto Advance#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- List of charaters in Grand Theft Auto Advance → Grand Theft Auto Advance#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- List of characters in Grand Theft Auto Advance → Grand Theft Auto Advance#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No such list or section at target. However, Grand Theft Auto Advance#Setting and characters does exist, but it does not contain a list of characters. (List of Grand Theft Auto Advance characters is a {{R with history}}.) Steel1943 (talk) 22:10, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Restore redirected article [30] until and unless a valid AFD of the article is done (rather than a unilateral undiscussed and unproposed redirect). Softlavender (talk) 02:06, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- Restore without prejudice per Softlavender and WP:BLAR. Thryduulf (talk) 11:33, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- Pinging Czar since they WP:BLARed List of Grand Theft Auto Advance characters in 2015 [31]. Steel1943 (talk) 12:06, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retain. Grand Theft Auto Advance#Setting and characters is a perfectly valid target and alternative to deletion for character lists that are clearly without sourcing for independent notability. The plot section covers everything the reader needs to know about these characters. Sending this unsourced "list" to AfD is needless process unless you think deletion is a better outcome than redirection here. If the "list" title is the issue, then rename as "Characters of Grand Theft Auto Advance" but you'd still have the old title pointing to that redirect. czar 13:51, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'll add that many, many "Lists of GameTitle characters" articles redirect to their parent articles' Plot sections same as this does. It's a common redirection because these character lists are just as commonly created, almost always without regard to sourcing. czar 16:01, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Restore article? Or simply refine to the "Settings and characters" section of the current target?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 06:02, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete There is no way that the original LoC would survive AFD, and the game itself is only 10ish hours, so even a (new) character section as redirect target seems overkill. – sgeureka t•c 09:07, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retain per Czar. Softlavender and Thryduulf suggest restoring and sending to AFD for procedural reasons. as Sgeureka recognizes, this will surely fail to be retained at AFD, which as Czar correctly points out, will likely lead to a redirect. I see no reason to go through that process. Thryduulf points to WP:BLAR, but I see nothing there requiring us to restore it or go through AFD, since no one appears to be arguing for the article to restored.
I'm confused by Steel1943 and Sgeureka's insistence that the redirect target be an actual list. Grand Theft Auto Advance#Setting and characters is a fine target without any modifications. We can and routinely do redirect list titles to articles which discuss the list subject but aren't lists. Daask (talk) 14:02, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Runswick Bay Lifeboat Station
[edit]Cow neck
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 27#Cow neck
Oc county
[edit]Predictions of the end of Facebook
[edit]- Predictions of the end of Facebook → Facebook (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Predictions of the end of Twitter → Twitter (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
If a reader typing predictions of t into the search bar (after seeing such an article for Google or Wikipedia) stumbles upon a page like Predictions of the end of X which redirects to X social media platform, they may be given the potentially false impression that the article on X may contain information about such predictions and may end up wasting their time scrolling through the article only to potentially conclude that no such information may be present. Sure, they were "merged" into their respective articles, but their poor usefulness is still a problem. – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 17:38, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep End of Facebook and refine to Facebook#Userbase, the last paragraph of which has content on predictions of the end of Facebook. Weirdly enough I can't actually find anything like that for Twitter, despite the widespread doomposting after Musk bought it, but I would expect it would be worth a sentence or two at least in Twitter under Elon Musk or Acquisition of Twitter by Elon Musk. Rusalkii (talk) 19:01, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep of Facebook one: mentioned but I don't think it's that plausible a search term, nor something it makes sense to link to from other articles, but it does no harm. Delete Twitter one unless mentioned somewhere, in which case (weakly) keep or retarget as appropriate. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 21:09, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Refine the Facebook one per Rusalkii, above. Delete twitter one, it can be recreated if/once information about the many news articles speculating about the end of twitter under Elon is added to an article. Fieari (talk) 01:34, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Just tagged Predictions of the end of Twitter as {{R from merge}}. Note that Predictions of Facebook's end would also need to be retargeted if the nominated one is. Jay 💬 09:37, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Utopes (talk / cont) 04:28, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Refine the Facebook one per Rusalkii. Delete twitter one per Fieari. No prejudice against recreation if a suitable target exists. Daask (talk) 15:20, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Weekend Trip
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 28#Weekend Trip
Halloween Cup
[edit]Ragg tuning fork
[edit]2024 Untitled Kendrick Lamar song
[edit]2024 Untitled Kendrick Song
[edit]Untitled Kendrick Lamar song (2024)
[edit]SLSB
[edit]Burin en-bec-de-flute
[edit]- Burin en-bec-de-flute → Burin (lithic flake) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention of "en-bec-de-flute" at the target article. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:59, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Well, it is evidently a standard term and should be added. Johnbod (talk) 02:36, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Now added. You could have done this yourself. Johnbod (talk) 02:58, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Johnbod En-bec-de-flute is not bec-de-flute. Should this be moved to Burin bec-de-flute then? I've brought it here purposefully because I prefer it deleted (and still do as long as there's no mention of "en-bec-de-flute"), especially not inserting it to a page using only a Google search result as a reference URL, as it has been done so. But at least there is added content to warrant a Bec-de-flute target, so I'll thank you for improving the pedia. Utopes (talk / cont) 03:40, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- If you look at google the term is used in different formations. Yes, a different redirect should probably set up, or a few. Johnbod (talk) 13:39, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- That Google search is not a proper reference. Here is one that looks promising, but I need to get to other things and can't pursue this further at the moment.
- Johnbod En-bec-de-flute is not bec-de-flute. Should this be moved to Burin bec-de-flute then? I've brought it here purposefully because I prefer it deleted (and still do as long as there's no mention of "en-bec-de-flute"), especially not inserting it to a page using only a Google search result as a reference URL, as it has been done so. But at least there is added content to warrant a Bec-de-flute target, so I'll thank you for improving the pedia. Utopes (talk / cont) 03:40, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Heizer, Robert F., and Harper Kelley. “Burins and Bladelets in the Cessac Collection from Santa Cruz Island, California.” Proceedings of the American Philosophical Society, vol. 106, no. 2, 1962, pp. 94–105. JSTOR, http://www.jstor.org/stable/985375. Accessed 20 Sept. 2024.
LadyofShalott 13:09, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- It is a proper reference, but by all means add another. I'm not sure there isn't a difference between Old and New World defnitions. Johnbod (talk) 13:39, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Bruce Weber (reporter)
[edit]Box-Office Entertainment Awards
[edit]Boussh
[edit]No mention of "Bous", "ssh" much less "Boussh" at the target article. Apparently this is a piece of Star Wars trivia. I can't tell whether this is supposed to be an alter ego name? At least, the contents of the article make no implication that this is supposed to be the case. This redirect otherwise leaves people guessing what this means or who this is, or if it's a lightsaber sound effect. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:46, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Princess Leia was wearing Boussh's outfit when she infiltrated Jabba's palace at the beginning of Return of the Jedi. It could be added to the article and the redirect kept, or it could be deleted as the detail is too trivial, and the name "Boussh" is not stated in the film. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:23, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as a {{r from misspelling}} of Boushh, which was mentioned in the target article until it was removed in June. I just reinserted the mention. - Eureka Lott 20:05, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not fully convinced that the mention is enough for Boushh to be a suitable redirect, but in any case per that redirect this should be refined to Princess Leia#Return of the Jedi where the mention is found. A7V2 (talk) 07:11, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
Boston's best variety
[edit]No mention of "best" at the target article. The only mention of "Variety" is in the references, as a link to variety.com. The slogan for this radio is never implied, and not helpful as a search term bringing articles to a location where the slogan is never mentioned or discussed. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:44, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Utopes: "Boston's best variety" is, in fact, the radio station's actual slogan. It's even mentioned on the official website: https://www.audacy.com/mix1041 . Duckmather (talk) 23:48, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Readers who type this in will not know this from the article contents. Material should be added to the page, or the redirect should be removed, because as it stands its confusing and misleading due to a lack of context at the target. There might be an infobox parameter which could make the former option easier, unsure. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:52, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Utopes The reason it's not in the article is because Infobox radio station no longer has a slogan parameter, in keeping with removals in other infoboxes. Discussion: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Radio Stations/Archive 2021#Removing slogan parameter from Infobox radio station and Infobox television station. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 03:36, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Readers who type this in will not know this from the article contents. Material should be added to the page, or the redirect should be removed, because as it stands its confusing and misleading due to a lack of context at the target. There might be an infobox parameter which could make the former option easier, unsure. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:52, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - the logo in the infobox on WWBX includes this slogan. That alone is probably not enough, however. A7V2 (talk) 07:14, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
Bosch Institute
[edit]- Bosch Institute → Sydney Medical School (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention of "Bosch", and only one mention of "institute" at the target article, this mention being a general usage. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:42, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Jay 💬 15:46, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
Bo’oh’o’wa’er
[edit]BlockParty (game portal)
[edit]No mention of a feature called "blockparty" at the target article. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:39, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Bundle Blockparty.com with this. Jay 💬 15:49, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
Decco Bishop
[edit]- Decco Bishop → List of Fair City characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No entry at the target page, only appears within a reference. Nothing really encyclopedic about this person. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:36, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Incorrect that the character appears only within a reference. Decco is mentioned as Samantha Bishop's father, and some relation with Xavier Bishop. However, a better target would be Fair City#Social realism, related to life in prison. Jay 💬 16:00, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
Charlotte Bishop
[edit]- Charlotte Bishop → List of Fair City characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No entry at the target page, just appears in a reference. Nothing really encyclopedic about this person. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:36, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Incorrect that the character appears only within a reference. She is mentioned as Paddy Bishop's daughter. However, this is a minor mention, hence delete to favour search results. Jay 💬 16:26, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
Billy Rowan
[edit]- Billy Rowan → List of The Bill characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at the target list of characters. I suppose they aren't "the Bill"... Utopes (talk / cont) 23:35, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Just tagged this as {{R with history}}. The article was deleted at AfD and restored two years later per a request so as to use as reference while adding it to a list. Probably create an anchor at Episodes 47–48 of The Bill series 23, and retarget. Jay 💬 16:48, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
Cranberry Station
[edit]- Cranberry Station → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Does not seem like we have any content on the GTA meaning of this, but there are Terra_Alta,_West_Virginia#History and Ilwaco_Railway_and_Navigation_Company#Cranberry_Station on other uses. 1234qwer1234qwer4 03:25, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:33, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
DcVD
[edit]- DcVD → Dreamcast#Technical specifications (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
"DcVD" or "Dreamcast Video Disc" not mentioned at the target article. Mika1h (talk) 08:44, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on the page history?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:33, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Restore without prejudice. This was blarred for "no sources", despite there being two sources in the article (although nothing inline). Two minutes on google finds multiple sources that might be reliable, and considering the era of the technology (~1998-2001) it's very likely that most sources are not online, so this needs proper evaluation. There are other uses of this acronym but none of them are mentioned on en.wp so disambiguation is not a relevant option. Thryduulf (talk) 00:54, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Restore article per Thryduulf. A7V2 (talk) 07:18, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- delete (at least for now) as unmentioned, vague, and unlikely to refer specifically to the dreamcast. one of the sources there was seemingly primary, and the other, while seemingly usable for a short mention, might have to go through some analysis at wp:vgsources first. no opinion on recreating it afterward cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:26, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- should also mention that the dreamcast junkyard article isn't entirely sure the dcvd format is actually real cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:29, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- In other words you are saying that the sources need evaluating in detail before it can be determined how reliable they are and what notability they do or do not confer. That sounds exactly like what happens at AfD and not at all what happens at RfD. Thryduulf (talk) 22:02, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- if article and blar content (such as sources) wasn't or wasn't to be evaluated here, i find it really unlikely that anyone would ever vote based on edit histories, but that's a common occurrence (see... uh... this relisting)
- this process can be done right now if you're in the mood. i should probably correct myself and say that vgsources isn't the only option for it, but an example that i would consider to be the best for this situation (yes, better than afd and rfd). but if you want it done here and now, it can likely be done
- as is, though, i have to admit that i'm "kind of not a fan" of you stating that you found sources and leaving it at that, so if you can, please show some of that saucy sauce cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 00:11, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- oh right also uh, source, not sources. the other doesn't seem usable period, since it appears to be about a completely different thing that's only tangentially related to the dreamcast. really, i have no idea what it's doing there cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 00:46, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- In other words you are saying that the sources need evaluating in detail before it can be determined how reliable they are and what notability they do or do not confer. That sounds exactly like what happens at AfD and not at all what happens at RfD. Thryduulf (talk) 22:02, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- should also mention that the dreamcast junkyard article isn't entirely sure the dcvd format is actually real cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:29, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
Bill Kilday
[edit]Subfebrile
[edit]Big Yud
[edit]Big Blag
[edit]R with history. No mention of a "Blag" at the target article. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:26, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Just redirect it to Battletoads_(1991_video_game), the article of the first video game. It's expected that the article on the franchise doesn't mention Blag. --uKER (talk) 13:56, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Big Bear (malt liquor)
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 29#Big Bear (malt liquor)
Barnsley Chop
[edit]- Barnsley Chop → Meat chop (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Barnsley chop → Meat chop (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention of "Barnsley" at the target article, unclear relationship to the target besides that they are both a form of "chop". Utopes (talk / cont) 23:23, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Note I've added the lowercase redirect to this discussion. Thryduulf (talk) 01:02, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Add content I'm very surprised we don't have much content about this (there is a mention in a footnote at Culture of England), and there is absolutely no shortage of sources about it (I'm not convinced the nominator has done any sort of BEFORE here). The only thing I'm uncertain of is where the mention is best, hopefully someone more familiar with editing food articles will know better than me. Thryduulf (talk) 01:02, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Lamb and mutton#Cuts per Johnbod below. Thryduulf (talk) 11:46, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and change the current target: Added to Lamb_and_mutton#Cuts, where it belongs. Totally notable if anyone wanted to do an article. Johnbod (talk) 03:10, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and change per Johnbod. I agree that in its current form as proposed it is useless, and I see that if changed as proposed it would be useful, probably also delicious. DBaK (talk) 08:50, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. I would point out that when I created the lowercase redirect, there was a description of a Barnsley chop at Meat chop! It appears to have been removed. But yes, Johnbod's suggestion sounds like the best one. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:07, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
Banapassport
[edit]- Banapassport → Bandai Namco Entertainment (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention of a "passport" at the target article. No mention of "bana", implied to be short for "bandai namco", nor is there an implication of a "banapassport". Utopes (talk / cont) 23:22, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Smart card#Video games although unsourced. Jay 💬 16:53, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
Banana Guard
[edit]- Banana Guard → List of Adventure Time characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Banana Guard appears as a unique fighter in MultiVersus. However, Banana Guard is not mentioned at the target article, and therefore misleads readers who navigate to this redirect. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:21, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Bundle Banana Guard (Adventure Time) which redirects to Root Beer Guy. Jay 💬 16:58, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
Baduizm World Tour
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 27#Baduizm World Tour
Baba Saheb Dr. Bhim Rao Ambedkar College of Agricultural Engineering and Technology
[edit]All my life, it's like I'm always just about to fall off the edge of the world's tallest building. I stopped falling the second I saw you.
[edit]East Hill, Wisconsin
[edit]- East Hill, Wisconsin → Wausau, Wisconsin (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Franklin Hill, Wisconsin → Wausau, Wisconsin (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
These do not appear at the target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:14, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
Misha Gromov
[edit]- Misha Gromov → Mikhail Gromov (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Yes, "Misha" is a standard shortening of Mikhail in Russian, but I can't find any source referring to the aviator with this shortening, so this seems to unambiguously refer to Mikhael Gromov (mathematician). (If this were to be kept though, then Michael Gromov should be retargeted to the disambig as well since it is only more likely to be ambiguous.) 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:06, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
Dendrolaelaps
[edit]JSTC
[edit]Four Fs (evolution
[edit]Now Dance 89 - 20 Smash Dance Hits (The 12" Mixes
[edit]Picton Airport (New Zealand
[edit]The Devastator (film
[edit]Yippie-yi-o, yippie-yi-yay, ghost riders in the sky
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 26#Yippie-yi-o, yippie-yi-yay, ghost riders in the sky
And I think to myself: 'What a wonderful world.'
[edit]Everybody in the whole cell block was dancing to the Jailhouse Rock
[edit]Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone
[edit]All the young dudes carry the news, boogaloo dudes carry the news
[edit]I don't care what people say: rock 'n' roll is here to stay
[edit]I've been locked inside your heart-shaped box for weeks
[edit]I've been through the desert on a horse with no name, it felt good to be out of the rain
[edit]I wrote it on the Starter cap
[edit]'Cause ain't no such things as halfway crooks
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 26#'Cause ain't no such things as halfway crooks
Wu-Tang is for the children
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 27#Wu-Tang is for the children
Two to the one from the one to the three
[edit]Don't you wanna grow up to be just like me
[edit]Check baby check baby one two three four
[edit]Ass so fat that you could see it from the front
[edit]I take seven kids from Columbine, stand 'em all in line, add an AK-47, a revolver, a nine
[edit]I'm Slim Shady, yes I'm the real Shady, all you other Slim Shadies are just imitating
[edit]Dr. Dre's dead, he's locked in my basement
[edit]Guess who's back, back again
[edit]Template:Lang1
[edit]- Template:Lang1 → Template:Uw-engvar (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Template:Lang2 → Template:Uw-disruptive2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Template:Lang3 → Template:Uw-disruptive3 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Template:Lang4 → Template:Uw-vandalism4 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Template:Lang0 → Template:Uw-engvar (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Template:Lang0-n → Template:Uw-engvar (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
These should all belong to one set, or none at all. There is also Template:Lang which is completely unrelated to these. I think deletion would be a good option as I can't see any real reason to prefer one warning template over the others. Gonnym (talk) 17:33, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. I've left a note about this discussion at Wikipedia talk:Template index/User talk namespace where all the talk pages redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 18:01, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. Lang1, Lang2 and Lang3 were redirected following separate discussions at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2017 June 11, Lang4 was was redirected following Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2017 June 6#Lang 4. Pinging participants in those discussions: @Jc86035, Srleffler, Frietjes, TheDragonFire, and Plastikspork:. Thryduulf (talk) 18:07, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all - the naming implies that these are four levels of a single set, but in fact engvar is a single-level warning template; the others are members of two different sets of multi-level warnings. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:57, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I've added two more. --Gonnym (talk) 07:57, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete if these are no longer in use. The previous redirects spoiled their function as a series of escalating warnings; there is no point keeping the redirects now.--Srleffler (talk) 16:26, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
I said a hip, hop, the hippie the hippie to the hip hop, and you don't stop
[edit]Hey girls, hey boys, superstar DJs, here we go!
[edit]The roof, the roof, the roof is on fire, we don't need no water, let the motherfucker burn! Burn, motherfucker, burn!
[edit]The Mac Dad'll make you jump, jump, Daddy Mac'll make you jump jump
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Death Row's in tha muthaphukkin house
[edit]Wikipedia:Meditation
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Thibault Perissat
[edit]- Thibault Perissat → Peter Park (poker player)#Outright (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not a likely needed redirect BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 17:33, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - Looks like the article it's pointing to is about to get deleted for non-notability, and this name within that article is even less notable than that, so... Fieari (talk) 05:21, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep If the main target (within the redirect) gets merged into another article there should be a, more logical, redirect to that instead. PsychoticIncall (talk) 15:39, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Just thought I'd mention that the target article, Peter Park (poker player), is at AFD right now. Liz Read! Talk! 18:28, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep without prejudice pending the outcome of the AfD. If the article is deleted this will be eligible for G8 speedy deletion, if it isn't then keep, redirect (and where to) or merge (and what is merged to where) will each have different implications for what the best thing to do with this redirect is so there's no point in discussing it until we know. Thryduulf (talk) 00:35, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: The AfD closed as redirect to 2024 World Series of Poker. C F A 💬 20:18, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete(?): he's mentioned on 2024 World Series of Poker, but that doesn't look useful enough for a redirect to me. Better to just let people find that one via the search engine? -- asilvering (talk) 03:18, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
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EYS
[edit]The great edit war
[edit]FuBl 2
[edit]- FuBl 2 → Instrument landing system (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. Is this referring to the differently capitalised "FuBL 2" at Luftwaffe_radio_equipment_of_World_War_II#Navigation_and_direction_finding? 1234qwer1234qwer4 02:15, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Move to FuBL 2 or Delete. Jay 💬 11:57, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
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Verenigd Koninkrijk
[edit]Ḙ
[edit]- Ḙ → Circumflex (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Ṷ → Circumflex (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
These were nominated in 2010 as part of a WP:TRAINWRECKy nomination already, but they are not mentioned at the target, which barely talks about a circumflex below (note that this is currently a red link) at all. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:32, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retain The solution surely is to add content about 'circumflex below' to the circumflex article. This is a credible redirect, though I haven't found a citation for it. I came across a suggestion that 'circumflex below' is used in IPA, perhaps Nardog can advise? --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 22:13, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Not that I know of, currently or historically. The inverted breve below and the caron below are used, but not the circumflex below. Nardog (talk) 01:05, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Nardog:, the Unicode character index (for the combining diacritic) reads
U+032D ◌̭ COMBINING CIRCUMFLEX ACCENT BELOW • Americanist: fronted articulation
. Perhaps that was the concept? (I'm 50 fathoms out of my depth here, so apologies in advance if this is a stupid question.) --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 18:24, 24 August 2024 (UTC)- There is some information on the usage at fr:Accent circonflexe souscrit. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:06, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- The Uralic Phonetic Alphabet is not the same as Americanist phonetic notation. Nardog (talk) 01:44, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- That usage is mentioned in Americanist phonetic notation#Common alternate symbols. Nardog (talk) 01:43, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- There is some information on the usage at fr:Accent circonflexe souscrit. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:06, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Nardog:, the Unicode character index (for the combining diacritic) reads
- Not that I know of, currently or historically. The inverted breve below and the caron below are used, but not the circumflex below. Nardog (talk) 01:05, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Unless Ḙ is strongly associated with one language, I recommend giving it the same fate as "Circumflex below" (currently a red link). Assuming this is the case, where should "Circumflex below" redirect? Most likely to one of the following: Circumflex#Unicode, Circumflex#Circumflex_below (a new, more specific section), or Combining character (a more general article). Jruderman (talk) 01:10, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Definitely Circumflex#Circumflex below, as per Dot (diacritic) (which has #Overdot, #Underdot and #Sidedot). The principle is clear, the practical issue is the need for someone who knows the first thing about the topic (rules me out) to write a couple of sentences. The article should have that section. It is certainly mentioned at Uralic Phonetic Alphabet#Modifiers, so would it be enough to say that
The circumflex below is a notation used by the Uralic Phonetic Alphabet to indicate a raised variant of a vowel
? - I don't see it anywhere at Americanist phonetic notation but specifically not at Americanist phonetic notation#Common alternate symbols. Is it a Unicode Consortium error? [see https://www.unicode.org/charts/nameslist/n_0300.html ]). 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 16:53, 25 August 2024 (UTC) revised 17:03, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Definitely Circumflex#Circumflex below, as per Dot (diacritic) (which has #Overdot, #Underdot and #Sidedot). The principle is clear, the practical issue is the need for someone who knows the first thing about the topic (rules me out) to write a couple of sentences. The article should have that section. It is certainly mentioned at Uralic Phonetic Alphabet#Modifiers, so would it be enough to say that
- We should add Ṱ · Ḽ · Ḓ · Ṋ to the RfD, right? Jruderman (talk) 01:17, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Wrong. These are mentioned at Circumflex#Diacritic_on_consonants, and the nomination does not apply to them. 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:42, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Link to previous RfD (2010) — Jruderman (talk) 01:21, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
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Sufferin' succotash
[edit]- Sufferin' succotash → Sylvester the Cat (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Suffering succotash → Sylvester the Cat (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
A catchphrase not mentioned at the target article. People interested in reading about this character would be more likely to search for the character. There is no content about this phrase here, and Wikipedia is not a search engine for "who said this line". Utopes (talk / cont) 17:59, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
Keep[Changed to retarget below]: What's the problem and what's your suggestion? I don't see a problem here, and "who said this line" is a helpful service. — BarrelProof (talk) 18:06, 8 August 2024 (UTC)- The problem is as described above (i.e. catchphrases not mentioned at target articles are problematic and misleading due to inherent lack of context and confusion caused for readers). My suggestion is to delete, aligning with past precedents that: "phrase, lyric, and quote redirects that point to articles where they are not mentioned are misleading and cause confusion for readers"; such was the result for a sizeable set of RfDs nominated early this year: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 12#It's not personal. It's strictly business. In this situation, there is currently no mention of any "suffering" being undergone by anyone, much less the variation of "sufferin'" used as a search term dropping the "g". "Succotash" is also not mentioned nor alluded to in the article at this time. Utopes (talk / cont) 18:58, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- I guess your italics indicate a quote from somewhere, and there must've been some prior discussion of this issue that I'm not familiar with. I thought the threshold for a redirect was lower than it would be for a DAB (i.e., WP:DABMENTION). In my personal experience, people sometimes remember a catchphrase but can't remember the name of the person who said it or what show it was in, and just need a little reminder. "To the Moon, Alice!" — BarrelProof (talk) 19:18, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Apologies for the confusion; the italics was a retelling of my nomination statement, which in turn summarizes some past discussions about unmentioned "r from catchphrases" and "r from lyrics".
- I fully agree that a tool for searching a catchphrase in order to find the source is a great function, but it more suitable for open-ended search engines such as Google or Youtube which aggregate differently. Doing so on Wikipedia would only work for an exact title match of existing content, and nothing will appear in the built-in search engine for those without mentions in the article. To the Moon, Alice! is an example of a suitable r from catchphrase, as it's a phrase that receives a mention in the plot section as well as allusions in the legacy section (that is if this quote is a version of "bang zoom straight to the moon", which is the aspect discussed and referred to here). Utopes (talk / cont) 19:33, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- To push back on that a little, just because Google (or the Youtube site it operates) might usually do a better job of finding a subject doesn't mean a search string is not worth trying to have at all. Wikipedia is less spammy (among other considerations), and its search box sometimes leads to what you're looking for if no one deletes the redirect at (or similar to) the string you type. "Sufferin' succotash" is an extremely famous phrase for this character, and is only two words, so it wouldn't have a lot of variation in what people would type to look for it. — BarrelProof (talk) 20:16, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- I guess your italics indicate a quote from somewhere, and there must've been some prior discussion of this issue that I'm not familiar with. I thought the threshold for a redirect was lower than it would be for a DAB (i.e., WP:DABMENTION). In my personal experience, people sometimes remember a catchphrase but can't remember the name of the person who said it or what show it was in, and just need a little reminder. "To the Moon, Alice!" — BarrelProof (talk) 19:18, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- The problem is as described above (i.e. catchphrases not mentioned at target articles are problematic and misleading due to inherent lack of context and confusion caused for readers). My suggestion is to delete, aligning with past precedents that: "phrase, lyric, and quote redirects that point to articles where they are not mentioned are misleading and cause confusion for readers"; such was the result for a sizeable set of RfDs nominated early this year: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 12#It's not personal. It's strictly business. In this situation, there is currently no mention of any "suffering" being undergone by anyone, much less the variation of "sufferin'" used as a search term dropping the "g". "Succotash" is also not mentioned nor alluded to in the article at this time. Utopes (talk / cont) 18:58, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Questions: Would this nomination include Suffering succotash? Would a soft redirect of both to wikt:suffering succotash work? — AjaxSmack 20:41, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Indeed that's basically the same. I had forgotten that Daffy Duck also says it. Wiktionary seems to explain it pretty well, although I've never encountered the "suffering savior" assertion before. — BarrelProof (talk) 20:49, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Broadcast Standards and Practices#Press Your Luck, which does a good job of explaining this phrase and who said it, and discusses a notable episode in its history. (This assumes that content is correct and will stay there – the discussion there is unsourced and not clearly relevant to Broadcast Standards and Practices.) BTW, the phrase is also mentioned in Yankee Dood It. The redirect shouldn't be deleted. — BarrelProof (talk) 21:14, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Indeed that's basically the same. I had forgotten that Daffy Duck also says it. Wiktionary seems to explain it pretty well, although I've never encountered the "suffering savior" assertion before. — BarrelProof (talk) 20:49, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete to favour search results. Its mention as an example in a game show would not be an appropriate target. Note that Succotash#In popular culture also could have been a target. In fact, the redirect was created in 2013 to target that page. Also I'm bundling suffering succotash per AjaxSmack. Jay 💬 09:40, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
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Chrysolith
[edit]Not mentioned at target in this specific spelling; is this as ambiguous as Chrysolite? 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:55, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Googling for "Chrysolith" brings up the Olivine article, which states
Translucent olivine is sometimes used as a gemstone called peridot (péridot, the French word for olivine). It is also called chrysolite (or chrysolithe, from the Greek words for gold and stone), though this name is now rarely used in the English language.
. Mindat.org gives it asGerman synonym of: Chrysolite"
, it's entry for the latter isPredominantly used as a synonym for gem-quality olivine (see also peridot) but has also been used for prehnite and other green gem materials.
Our Chrysolite article is a disambig linking to Olivine and other "green or yellow-green-coloured gemstones". My first thought was the completely unrelated chrysalis, searching for "Chrysolith" butterfly does bring up a few people making the same mistake, but not as many or as prominently as I expected. Thryduulf (talk) 00:39, 11 September 2024 (UTC)- Based on Thryduulf's research I would lean "keep", since it seems largely helpful (spelling chrysolite/chrysolithe/chrysolithos). Cremastra (talk) 20:01, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. 1234qwer1234qwer4, may I ask why you created this section? Did you notice a instance of this, or someone searching for this somewhere, or is this merely a hypothesis that someone might? Checking Google Trends, I see no Google searches for this term for the last five years. We shouldn't create redirects for typos we hypothesize as plausible searches (WP:RSWIKIOPINION?) if nobody actually ever searches for them. Mathglot (talk) 22:07, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Mathglot I don't understand your comment - 1234qwer1234qwer4 didn't create the redirect, that was El Cazangero in 2015 (they were blocked for copyvios a year later, not relevant to the creation of a redriect) who targetted it to Olivine. It was retargetted in 2020 to it's present target by Opera hat. All 1234... has done is nominate it for discussion. As for utility, the redirect got 80 hits between 1 January and 9 September this year and 64 last year, which is significantly more than nobody (it's also worth noting that your Google Trends search is limited to the United States). Thryduulf (talk) 01:45, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
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Jisan
[edit]- Jisan → Forgotten Realms#Religion (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target, but there are Jisan station, Jisan Valley Rock Festival, Numbers_(South_Korean_TV_series)#Jisan_Bank and potentially others. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:27, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Al-Qadim. BOZ (talk) 17:29, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Al-Qadim#Important concepts, where she appears now. Daranios (talk) 06:55, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Should there at least be a hatnote or something for the potential alternative meanings? 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:09, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not quite sure what's best in this case. Like for Shaar, I don't believe the fictional deity is more relevant than the real-world appearances of the name, but from the listed examples it is the only instance where the name appears alone without further qualifier or something. So creating a Jisan (disambiguation) could be a solution, but on purely esthecial grounds I am not too keen on adding a hatnote to an article/section which refers "only" to one term within the paragraph. So I would also be fine with making Jisan a disambiguation page and shifting the current one to Jisan (Al-Qadim). Daranios (talk) 19:05, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'm fine with moving the edit history as suggested with a retarget and then creating a disambiguation page if necessary. BOZ (talk) 19:53, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not quite sure what's best in this case. Like for Shaar, I don't believe the fictional deity is more relevant than the real-world appearances of the name, but from the listed examples it is the only instance where the name appears alone without further qualifier or something. So creating a Jisan (disambiguation) could be a solution, but on purely esthecial grounds I am not too keen on adding a hatnote to an article/section which refers "only" to one term within the paragraph. So I would also be fine with making Jisan a disambiguation page and shifting the current one to Jisan (Al-Qadim). Daranios (talk) 19:05, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Should there at least be a hatnote or something for the potential alternative meanings? 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:09, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate per the values given -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 04:26, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
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- I think with no modifiers, the D&D use probably does count as the WP:PTOPIC here, but I would support a hatnote to point to a disambiguation page with all the other uses. Fieari (talk) 23:07, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think the D&D topic is anywhere near primary. It is not prominent in a basic Google search [32], only appearing once. Jisan Station and Jisan Forest appear more times. -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 03:56, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment: To hopefully make this smooher and achieve consensus, I moved the page history to Jisan (Al-Qadim) and retargeted it to Al-Qadim#Important concepts, and suggest that the remaining Jisan be turned into a disambiguation page. BOZ (talk) 16:01, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Drafted a dab at the redirect. Jay 💬 12:01, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
Palestine Israel
[edit]- Palestine Israel → Israeli–Palestinian conflict (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Israel Palestine → Israeli–Palestinian conflict (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Classic WP:XY. Delete. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 04:18, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - I don't know that WP:XY fits here. Someone typing both Israel and Palestine into the search box, in whichever order, is almost certainly looking for information on the conflict. I'm willing to be convinced otherwise, but this seems like the appropriate target to me. Fieari (talk) 06:51, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Idk what it even means? Do we have any actual data on how many people use that as a search term? And then, if they do, where they go afterwards? Selfstudier (talk) 09:54, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Both were created too recently to have truly reliable usage figures, but they got 10 and 17 hits between creation on 22nd August and yesterday, which suggests that they are plausible search terms (but note that almost all redirects get above typical views in the first circa 2-4 days after creation (I guess due to new page patrolers and similar) and significantly more than typical views during and just after being listed at RfD). Everybody who views a redirect goes to the redirect target, I don't think that where they go after that is tracked and all such data that does exist is only released for large volumes of people and (iirc) aggregated by complete calendar month (all for privacy reasons) so wouldn't be useful here. Thryduulf (talk) 11:32, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Do the same as with #Palestine and Israel. I can't see any reason why people would be expecting different things with or without the "and". Thryduulf (talk) 11:32, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- I disagree with that; the inclusion/exclusion of "and" makes all the difference. Steel1943 (talk) 18:26, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- For reference, the linked discussion is at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 3#Palestine and Israel and was closed as "disambiguate". Thryduulf (talk) 23:34, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep (disclaimer: creator of both); same reasoning as Fieari and backed by data from Thryduulf; plus WP:XY does state that in some cases redirects should
point to a location in which both topics are discussed
. This is the closest to a perfect target we can get anyways. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 15:06, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep both. Highly plausible search terms. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:22, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete this is an example on WP:XY, search results would be better here as who knows what specific page they would be looking for. Traumnovelle (talk) 07:50, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- XY is not a reason to delete when we have content that deals with both X and Y (the combination, interaction or intersection), which we do in this case. When it's not clear which of multiple possible articles someone is looking for we use disambiguation and set indexes. Thryduulf (talk) 10:31, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:XY. Israel is not Palestine, and Palestine is not Israel. The lack of any conjunctions separating the two words make these confusing redirects at best, harmful redirecting anywhere at worst. Steel1943 (talk) 18:26, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete with or without the "and", I would assume that this topic refers to "Israel/Palestine", that is the entire land "between the river and the sea" sometimes called Israel, sometimes called Palestine, and sometimes called partly Israel and partly Palestine. The conflict is not an adequate redirect because it is merely one event that has taken place in this territory quite recently. (t · c) buidhe 01:23, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- That feels like an argument to redirect to Land of Israel or Palestine (region), and thus an argument to disambiguate. I can't see how you get to delete? Thryduulf (talk) 08:11, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Israel and Palestine, as we have a page for both. Utopes (talk / cont) 22:24, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Israel and Palestine per Thryduulf and Utopes. Seems a plausible enough search term. A7V2 (talk) 07:33, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, Retarget to disambiguation page Israel and Palestine. – Fayenatic London 15:10, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
Barney and Brothers
[edit]Evil Dead 4
[edit]Iweh Pascal Odinaka(Poco Lee)
[edit]Chima big brother
[edit]Post (X)
[edit]Amu TV
[edit]Japanese opera
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God of the New Testament
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 26#God of the New Testament
God of the Old Testament
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Santa Maria Beach
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Back O' Beyond
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List of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas characters
[edit]Jizzy B.
[edit]Ran Fa Li
[edit]Jimmy Hernandez
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Zero (Grand Theft Auto)
[edit]B-Dup
[edit]Lance Wilson
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Johnny Sindacco
[edit]- Johnny Sindacco → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. Only mention on the English Wikipedia appears to be Casey_Siemaszko#Video_games, which does not provide any in-universe information. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:46, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
Keep for now pending the outcome of Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 12#List of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas characters. If the list is restored, redirect there. Otherwise re-nominate, preferably all of these characters in a single nomination. --Un assiolo (talk) 11:21, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
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.. all of these characters ..
? Jay 💬 13:50, 29 September 2024 (UTC)- A large number of characters from the game were nominated separately. I believe they should have been nominated together. I suggested re-nominating them together if this got closed as keep. Anyway, now that it has been decided to not restore the list, delete. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:54, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- The other RfD closed and the list was not restored. @Un assiolo: Why did you want this re-nominated? What did you mean by
Didier Sachs
[edit]- Didier Sachs → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Does not appear anywhere on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:46, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
Keep for now pending the outcome of Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 12#List of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas characters. If the list is restored, redirect there. Otherwise re-nominate, preferably all of these characters in a single nomination. --Un assiolo (talk) 11:22, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. Didier Sachs is an in-universe clothing brand, not a character, so the other RfD should have no impact on this one. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 22:41, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:50, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
Melvin "Big Smoke" Harris
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 25#Melvin "Big Smoke" Harris
T Bone Mendez
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Colleges Against Cancer
[edit]- Colleges Against Cancer → American Cancer Society (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target, but occurs in the lead of American Cancer Society Cancer Action Network (from where it is also linked though). 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:59, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:21, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- It was mentioned in the lead of the affiliate, but not in the article body. I moved it down to a section. May be retargeted, and unlinked there. Jay 💬 12:05, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Seems sensible to me. 1234qwer1234qwer4 16:31, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
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2031 NCAA Division I women's basketball tournament
[edit]F. Fitzgerald
[edit]Strawman (literal)
[edit]🆥
[edit]I have no idea what this Unicode character is supposed to mean or how it's supposed to be related to the concept of data. Apparently this is U+1F1A5, which per https://www.compart.com/en/unicode/U+1F1A5 is a "Squared Latin Small Letter D". Possible other targets for this redirect include D, wikt:🆥, and Enclosed Alphanumeric Supplement (the Unicode block the character is in). Duckmather (talk) 21:04, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete – most of the hits I get are about Vitamin D, which suggests it is highly ambiguous at best. Cremastra (talk) 21:20, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Enclosed Alphanumeric Supplement links to this PDF which originally proposed the encoding of these TV-related characters. I doubt it has anything to do with Vitamin D as suggested above, but the document does not make the exact meaning of this symbol clear either. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:27, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- I expect it is more that it is sometimes, for whatever, reason, used as a cool-looking symbol for Vitamin D rather than "officially" being connected. Cremastra (talk) 02:13, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Gorobay: Have you been editing these days? I recall you were the editor I asked questions to about such subject matter. If so, you have any thoughts on this? Steel1943 (talk) 18:05, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- This character is part of a range of symbols in Unicode derived from ARIB STD-B62 related to TV broadcasting technologies. According to this translation, it represents data broadcasting, which would be a more pertinent target than the current target Data. It might also be okay to redirect it to its Unicode block’s page, though I don’t think that is as helpful. Vitamin D is a red herring and not relevant to this discussion: searching for the character on Google brings up results about vitamin D only because Google normalizes “🆥” to “d”, and searching for “d” also brings up results about vitamin D. Gorobay (talk) 17:50, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Implausible search term. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:56, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Enclosed Alphanumeric Supplement, where it will provide information on what the f this character is. At that location, I suggest the meaning of "data broadcasting" be explained, and we can link to that article there, in order to serve the admittedly unlikely possibility of someone already knowing the meaning of the symbol and wanting to get to that article. Far more likely, anyone searching for this stumbled across it in the unicode character map or stumbled across someone using it randomly, and wondering what it is. The unicode block page will provide the information said searcher is looking for. Fieari (talk) 05:43, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per Fieari. Thryduulf (talk) 10:27, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Data broadcasting or, failing that, Enclosed Alphanumeric Supplement. Enix150 (talk) 01:22, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
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Punk rock opera
[edit]- Punk rock opera → Rock opera (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Punk opera → Rock opera (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Brief mention in relation to a particular work, but the genre itself is not described within the article. Any thoughts or better target suggestions? — Godsy (TALKCONT) 00:52, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- I googled it, and all the results are for punk rock opera, and not punk opera for some reason. See this: https://www.treblezine.com/24712-10-essential-punk-rock-operas/
- Perhaps we change the name to punk rock opera? Moline1 (talk) 02:22, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- A move without redirect to punk rock opera would certainly be possible on the technical side; however, that title has existed since 2007 (just looked). However, that (sub)genre does not seem to be covered explicitly at the current target either. At the end of the day, an important question remains: Are we directing readers to a place that sufficiently covers what they are looking for? If either 'punk opera' or 'punk rock opera' are synonymous enough with 'rock opera', that may not be a problem. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 20:42, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Closer/Relister - Please relist and merge Punk rock opera into this discussion. Thanks, — Godsy (TALKCONT) 20:42, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
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- @Moline1: What name would you like to change to punk rock opera? @Godsy: Which page would you like to move without redirect to punk rock opera? Jay 💬 17:55, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Jay:
A move without redirect to punk rock opera would certainly be possible on the technical side; however, that title has existed since 2007 (just looked).
I have no suggestions at this time. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 18:35, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Jay:
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Keimu
[edit]List of bards
[edit]- List of bards → List of oral repositories (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Seems like an inaccurate redirect? Not all bards are oral repositories as defined by that article, nor does it seem likely to me that all oral repositories can be described as "bards". asilvering (talk) 09:38, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Asilvering I can see where you’re coming from, however this is part of a wider issue with the title. There’s no general term in common use to describe the roles of bards, griots, imusnawen etc. I had to scrape the bottom of the barrel to find sources describing them generally as oral repositories. In some cases bard or troubadour is used as a definition for these terms, see here [33] [34] [35] [36]. The page could be moved to List of bards however I think that’d be inappropriate since you’d expect that list to contain a list of individuals who were historically bard, and the bard article does not take into account the broad usage of the term. I think a redirect makes the most sense, since people are very unlikely to Google list of oral repositories, but they might Google list of bards when looking for this, and also like you said there are roles here that are too specific to be termed bard. Kowal2701 (talk) 10:17, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- On the point of lots of those listed aren’t necessarily bards, if you were going to make a List of musicians, and found there was insufficient material or the divisions were hard to draw because some musicians play multiple instruments, you’d have List of cellists and List of pianists as redirects. For this reason I think List of oral poets should also be a redirect, and possibly List of oral historians Kowal2701 (talk) 13:31, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete because we just do not seem to have such a comprehensive list. WP:REDYES may apply. Steel1943 (talk) 22:18, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Kowal2701. --Un assiolo (talk) 11:54, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
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- See articles such as Ashik, Bhāts, Charan, or Makar which use bard as a general term Kowal2701 (talk) 12:28, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
Great Fray
[edit]Reports of black cougars in the United States
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Disflation
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Murloc
[edit]- Murloc → Thrall (Warcraft)#Warcraft III (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not discussed at target with sufficient substance to warrant a redirect - the target section makes one passing mention with no context, leaving anyone who isn't a Warcraft fan more confused than they were before. * Pppery * it has begun... 05:07, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment would The Murlocs be a viable target? Also, you might want to consider adding Murlocs in this RfD. --Lenticel (talk) 06:36, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- It's fine for Murlocs, and I've boldly retargeted it there rather than adding it to this discussion. I think it's too far off for the singular Murloc to be plausible, but definitely a better target than the current one. * Pppery * it has begun... 14:44, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to List of piscine and amphibian humanoids#Games. The fictional creature was already listed there, but I went ahead and added a reference. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 03:58, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Do nothing until the AfD concludes. Until we know the outcome of the AfD it's not worth spending any effort evaluating whether we should point this redirect there or not. Thryduulf (talk) 18:29, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
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Self-torque
[edit]weird case, this one. "self-torque" seems to refer to 3 different things (one being a band), none inherently related to light, though one can be a property of it... but also of seemingly any wave. the term isn't mentioned in the target either. "self aligning torque" seems to be the term this was referring to, but it's also not inherently related to light (if at all). does anyone know what could be done here? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:57, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Never heard of this in the context of light. Constant314 (talk) 18:09, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- The redirect is not used in any article. Probably should be deleted. Constant314 (talk) 18:11, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - I'm not familiar with the concept of self-torque enough to be able to help point to the correct target, but I would like to remind Constant314 that catching links from within articles on Wikipedia is not the primary purpose of redirects, and a redirect having NO links to it on wikipedia is not a valid reason to delete that redirect. The primary purpose of a redirect is to assist users to find what they are looking for, such as when they type it into the search bar... which they would do if they saw the term in a textbook or similar source and wanted to know more about what it is. This is almost certainly a valid thing to search for, the question is simply where it should point in order to help provide that information. Fieari (talk) 00:26, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- A paper "Self-torque and angular momentum balance for a spinning charged sphere" published in the American Journal of Physics, is used as a reference in Newton's laws of motion. However, there is no information about this term on enwiki. Delete in the absence of anyone providing any info on what this is. The redirect creator was community banned and cannot return until 2025, hence no prejudice against recreation if we have useful content later. Jay 💬 17:30, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
Mike Oxbig
[edit]2005-Cracker Barrell
[edit]The Marshall Mathers LP 3
[edit]F-duction
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 25#F-duction
Buccal organ
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International Wrestling Hall of Fame
[edit]- International Wrestling Hall of Fame → National Wrestling Hall of Fame and Museum (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
While it is true that the International and U.S. Hall of Fames for amateur wrestling are in the same area, there is nothing more than a passing mention in the U.S. Hall of Fame's article. If possible, restore the original redirect at United World Wrestling. Sekundenlang (talk) 15:55, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Support and refine to United World Wrestling#Hall of Fame. Do the same for the FILA International Wrestling Hall of Fame redirect. Jay 💬 15:49, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
Stage 1 Pokémon
[edit]- Stage 1 Pokémon → Gameplay of Pokémon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Stage 1 Pokemon → Gameplay of Pokémon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Stage 2 Pokémon → Gameplay of Pokémon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Stage 2 Pokemon → Gameplay of Pokémon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
refers to evolutionary stages. as an example, popplio is stage 1, brionne is stage 2, and primarina is... why is there no stage 3 redirect? the terminology is sort of mentioned in the target (under breeding), but not in a way that would help those redirects cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:17, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Weak retarget to Pokémon Trading Card Game#Card types as the only Pokémon-based subject where I believe this terminology is used. Steel1943 (talk) 17:08, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Changing my stance to "weak" after locating (and remembering) the discussion I found below. Steel1943 (talk) 18:01, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- "used" it is. relatively commonly, for that matter. it's just in that weird limbo of not being properly mentioned outside of the tcg, and not well-covered enough to warrant being mentioned in depth. a lot of pokémon-related stuff falls in that limbo, it's painful cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 23:13, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: The discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 December 3#List of Pokemon by Stage, a discussion I found while researching why these nominated redirects existed, may be relevant ... which, ironically, is a discussion I opened in 2019 that I completely forgot about until now. Steel1943 (talk) 17:56, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete all. Wherever we point these on wikipedia, they won't help anyone much. They'd be better off at Bulbapedia. We may as well remove them -- asilvering (talk) 03:16, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
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Rome City
[edit]Meth King
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 25#Meth King
New Hampster
[edit]Becton dickenson
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 25#Becton dickenson
Subcarpathian Polish Athletic Association
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 25#Subcarpathian Polish Athletic Association
U.S. Mahayana
[edit]Bulbagarden
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Squeezel
[edit]created as the "vietnamese word for porcupine". if wiktionary is to be trusted, it's not cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:22, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Cogsan: Please don't forget to notify the creator of the redirect. I've done that now. CycloneYoris talk! 19:04, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- oh, they're still active. neat. thanks cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:35, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- My first thought was this.
- It appears to be from something from Anthony Bourdain: No Reservations [37][38]. So that at least explains it, and I don't see it sreferring to anything else. There is a mention (with a different spelling) at Anthony Bourdain: No Reservations#Vietnam, so I would suggest retargetting there; since it links to the correct species (the Malayan porcupine). Cremastra (talk) 23:37, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Sounds good to me. -Kaz (talk) 00:58, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Move to squeasel and retarget to the program. We don't know if it's a term at all, as the episode summaries are all unsourced. deviantart says
Squeasel, [is] a hybrid of a squirrel and a weasel
. Jay 💬 15:54, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
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The greatest star cast ever assembled– the greatest story ever told
[edit]- The greatest star cast ever assembled– the greatest story ever told → Sholay (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Seems both too long and incredibly specific to the point where I can't see it being used. Zippybonzo | talk | contribs (they/them) 12:08, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Sholay is likely the most popular Indian film ever, and everything from its marketing taglines to dialogues to even the names of minor characters are familiar with everyday people (the FA is pretty indepth about this). It includes this as well. Gotitbro (talk) 12:39, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Gotitbro. voorts (talk/contributions) 18:55, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment While I would tend to agree with the nom, it's too new to tell. If it's useful, it will be used. Time will tell and the stats will reflect whether it's useful or not. ButlerBlog (talk) 21:10, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Ambiguous with The Greatest Story Ever Told, and therefore misleading. CycloneYoris talk! 00:59, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- @CycloneYoris: My understanding is this was a tagline used, but I don't see the greatest star cast ever being ambiguous with The Greatest Story Ever Told. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:39, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Regardless, it needs to be deleted due to the spacing error before the hyphen (as per Jay below), and I would support keeping if someone moves it to the correctly spaced title. CycloneYoris talk! 08:52, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Also note the redirects created by the same creator on the same day. But the nominated one does have a problem with no space before the hyphen.
- The greatest star cast ever assembled
- The Greatest Star Cast Ever Assembled
- Greatest Star Cast Ever Assembled
- The Greatest Story Ever Told (Sholay)
- Greatest Story Ever Told (Sholay)
- The Greatest Star Cast Ever Assembled The Greatest Story Ever Told
- Greatest Star Cast Ever Assembled The Greatest Story Ever Told
- Greatest Star Cast Ever Assembled Greatest Story Ever Told
- Jay 💬 06:45, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
But the nominated one does have a problem with no space before the hyphen.
- That is how it is exactly quoted in the article though. Gotitbro (talk) 18:07, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- No, it's not. Delete because of the mistake. There are several other redirects that may be used in the place of this one. Jay 💬 15:21, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- does this count as blatantly and overly promotional? this is the only example i could find of a tagline being a redirect (where's a superhero movie with a mind of its own for megamind?). if it counts, then delete all per that. if it doesn't, then delete all as vague instead, since results for both of those sentences mostly gave me top whatever many "greatest x" lists cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:46, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Megamind is/was never a cultural zeitgeist/milestone for American cinema or popular culture, unlike Sholay for Indian cinema. You only need search a bit and see what you have:
- Who you gonna call?
- With great power comes great responsibility
- You'll believe a man can fly
- Why So Serious
- This Time It's Personal
- Just When You Thought It Was Safe to Go Back in the Water
- Houston, we have a problem
- His whole life was a million to one shot
- Be Afraid - Be Very Afraid
- In space, no-one can hear you scream
- A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away
- The Fairest of Them All
- Sister, sister, oh so fair, why is there blood all over your hair?
- The horror the horror
- Whoever wins we lose
- Live. Die. Repeat.
- Welcome to the suck
- One ring to rule them all
- There's no place like home!
- Keep the change, ya filthy animal
- Size does matter
- When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth
- Pray for Rosemary's Baby
- I Changed My Sex
- She Who Must Be Obeyed
- Life is a Cabaret
- How far does a girl have to go to untangle her tingle?
- Where were you in '62?
- The night he came home
- They're here
- They're here, already! You're next! You're next!
- Leisure Rules
- There can be only one
- Die Harder
- Life is like a box of chocolates
- And I don't see how this redirect is any different from any of these, to specifically consider a CfD only here. Neither do I see the point of it being vague (especially for the construction CfD'd here) when the nom's rationale itself is "too long and incredibly specific". Gotitbro (talk) 17:22, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Cogsan: This absolutely does not count as blatant/overly promotional because of the context and relevance. You're welcome to vote how you like, but as Gotitbro mentions, these types of tag lines being created is not unusual. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:41, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Megamind is/was never a cultural zeitgeist/milestone for American cinema or popular culture, unlike Sholay for Indian cinema. You only need search a bit and see what you have:
- Delete: Per nom, also delete all the redirects mentioned by Jay. M S Hassan 📬✍🏻 13:29, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- on second thought,
deleteas just plain ol' malformed cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:57, 13 September 2024 (UTC) (striking duplicate vote Liz Read! Talk! 21:48, 24 September 2024 (UTC))- the vote isn't technically duplicate, it's over a different reason. see the missing space cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:07, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep per Gotitbro. Cremastra (talk) 00:10, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. There are enough correctly-formatted redirects for the target article to be found, without the need for this one with an error in it. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:16, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Shhhnotsoloud. Utopes (talk / cont) 14:50, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
"Children's games", "Children's Games" & friends
[edit]Formicapunk
[edit]Well, excuse me!
[edit]List of Strogg in Quake II
[edit]- List of Strogg in Quake II → Quake II (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
not present in the target cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:31, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Revert without prejudice to AfD or merge per WP:BLAR. The only discussion I've found is from 2006 where one editor suggested a merge and a second editor disagreed. That's very obviously not consensus. Thryduulf (talk) 14:45, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per my comments at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 13#List of Strogg in Quake 4. -- Tavix (talk) 18:22, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. The article was redirected in 2007 and then again in 2009. If the subject is not mentioned anywhere, then this thing should be deleted, considering the existence of an article about the subject of this redirect is a clear WP:NOTGUIDE violation. Steel1943 (talk) 18:31, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- One person redirected it both times, without discussion. The only discussion (if you can call exactly two comments a discussion) that has been had (as far as I've found) came to no consensus. That's not close to consensus to delete - especially as the suggested action was merging not deletion. Lists of elements from notable works are frequently notable and don't violate NOTGUIDE. Whether this list is notable is a question for AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 02:16, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Back then, Wikipedia was flooded with WP:NOTGUIDE and WP:NOTFANDOM violations related to video games. Since then, Wikipedia has evolved to not include or encourage the creation of articles that are against such policies. Restoring this article for any reason would be regression. Steel1943 (talk) 13:33, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- on top of what steel said, i haven't found anything specifying that this has to be done in afd, as opposed to here. buuuut chances are i haven't looked hard enough, so eh. the point still stands that doing this would only result in something being discussed and found worthy of deletion twice in a row, and go against previously established consensus that those kinds of redirects are usually deleted right away cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:46, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- By definition, any redirect (which this is) can be deleted at RfD. Thryduulf's understanding is incorrect. -- Tavix (talk) 22:56, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- That would allow anybody to delete an article by unilaterally redirecting it to a random target and then nominating it here, which is why disputed BLARs are reverted and sent to AfD for discussion. This is a disputed BLAR. Thryduulf (talk) 13:44, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- ...and every time someone unilaterally redirects something to a random target and subsequently nominates it here, they get reverted. That's not the case here, this page has long been stable as a redirect. -- Tavix (talk) 13:55, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- There is no recency requirement for any of this. We don't speedy delete article content just because it's old, if someone thinks it should be deleted it gets discussed at AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 14:07, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- For pages that are redirects, if someone thinks it should be deleted it gets discussed at RfD. If you want this to be discussed at AfD, you should make a compelling argument that the content may be notable. -- Tavix (talk) 14:11, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- again, where did the "speedy" part come from? if i wanted speedy deletion because i thought it applied to one or more of the criteria, i would have tagged it as such, as opposed to taking it to rfd cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:20, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- The only justifications for deleting article content at a venue other than AfD are if it meets a speedy deletion criterion or if it has previously been discussed with a consensus that it shouldn't be an article. Deleting at RfD is equivalent to reversing the redirect and then speedy deleting the article - which would obviously be out of process. Doing it in single step is just as out of process. Thryduulf (talk) 18:23, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- i hate to disagree with an admin, but from reading wp:rdel and wp:del, i don't believe that's how any of this works. if a redirect refers to something that isn't mentioned in the target, and it's found that there's no reliable coverage of it, i think it falls within reason 2 to delete as stated in rdel, as it would leave readers to wonder where the list of strogg or info on quackifier are. if every blar'd redirect had to be reverted to an undercooked, effectively unsourced article and taken to afd to be discussed for the same reason as if it were still a redirect, a lot of rfd nominations would have been done out of process for ages now, with no admins happening to pick up on it
- and also rfd isn't solely for speedy deletion i guess cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 21:00, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Those are reasons to delete a redirect, yes, but they aren't reasons to delete articles. Every undiscussed BLAR that doesn't meet the speedy deletion criteria should be reverted to the article (and optionally taken to AfD) if there is no appropriate target for the redirect (including the current target) and no consensus for new content (e.g. a dab page) at the title. That not every such redirect is spotted is not a reason to harm the encyclopaedia (which every out of process deletion does) when it is spotted. Thryduulf (talk) 23:58, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- i really must be missing something, because i haven't found the policy that states that undiscussed blars should be reverted and taken to afd, even despite pre-existing consensus that they'd get deleted for not being notable at all. do you happen to know where it is? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:20, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Cogsan: WP:NOTBURO may be relevant here. Steel1943 (talk) 22:26, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- all things considered, i think notburo would only serve as more of a reason to ignore any potential policy about restoring undiscussed blars to delete them anyway, and just... delete them. this must be unreadable on mobile devices by now cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 00:09, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Cogsan: That's one way of interpreting what I was trying to get at! In addition, regarding questioning administrators who participate in discussions: When administrators participate in discussions, they do so in their capacity as editors; their comments hold no stronger weight than any regular editor. They also cannot abuse their tools in retaliation since they would lose their administrative privileges. (I know there's a policy or essay page out there stating this, but I cannot find it at the moment.) In other words, feel free to challenge any editor in any discussion if you do not agree with their stance. Steel1943 (talk) 15:43, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- all things considered, i think notburo would only serve as more of a reason to ignore any potential policy about restoring undiscussed blars to delete them anyway, and just... delete them. this must be unreadable on mobile devices by now cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 00:09, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Cogsan: WP:NOTBURO may be relevant here. Steel1943 (talk) 22:26, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- i really must be missing something, because i haven't found the policy that states that undiscussed blars should be reverted and taken to afd, even despite pre-existing consensus that they'd get deleted for not being notable at all. do you happen to know where it is? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:20, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Those are reasons to delete a redirect, yes, but they aren't reasons to delete articles. Every undiscussed BLAR that doesn't meet the speedy deletion criteria should be reverted to the article (and optionally taken to AfD) if there is no appropriate target for the redirect (including the current target) and no consensus for new content (e.g. a dab page) at the title. That not every such redirect is spotted is not a reason to harm the encyclopaedia (which every out of process deletion does) when it is spotted. Thryduulf (talk) 23:58, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- The only justifications for deleting article content at a venue other than AfD are if it meets a speedy deletion criterion or if it has previously been discussed with a consensus that it shouldn't be an article. Deleting at RfD is equivalent to reversing the redirect and then speedy deleting the article - which would obviously be out of process. Doing it in single step is just as out of process. Thryduulf (talk) 18:23, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- There is no recency requirement for any of this. We don't speedy delete article content just because it's old, if someone thinks it should be deleted it gets discussed at AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 14:07, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- ...and every time someone unilaterally redirects something to a random target and subsequently nominates it here, they get reverted. That's not the case here, this page has long been stable as a redirect. -- Tavix (talk) 13:55, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- That would allow anybody to delete an article by unilaterally redirecting it to a random target and then nominating it here, which is why disputed BLARs are reverted and sent to AfD for discussion. This is a disputed BLAR. Thryduulf (talk) 13:44, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- By definition, any redirect (which this is) can be deleted at RfD. Thryduulf's understanding is incorrect. -- Tavix (talk) 22:56, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- One person redirected it both times, without discussion. The only discussion (if you can call exactly two comments a discussion) that has been had (as far as I've found) came to no consensus. That's not close to consensus to delete - especially as the suggested action was merging not deletion. Lists of elements from notable works are frequently notable and don't violate NOTGUIDE. Whether this list is notable is a question for AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 02:16, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Restore or Delete right away?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 22:10, 27 August 2024 (UTC)- while we're here, what about quackifier? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:17, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as not seen in the parent article and WP:NOTGAMEGUIDE. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 00:27, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, game-guide content cannot be restored, violating what Wikipedia is not. Unmentioned on Wikipedia (correctly so, I'd add). Utopes (talk / cont) 15:17, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- WP:NOT is explicitly not a speedy deletion criterion. Thryduulf (talk) 12:36, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Good thing this isn't WP:CSD! -- Tavix (talk) 14:22, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- why do you keep using "this isn't a criterion for speedy deletion" here of all places? rfd isn't exclusively for speedy deletions, and you're the only person in this discussion who brought up speedy deletion in any context besides telling you that this venue isn't necessarily for or about speedy deletion, and neither is this discussion (seeing as it's gone on for over a month and all) cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:21, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- WP:NOT is explicitly not a speedy deletion criterion. Thryduulf (talk) 12:36, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: WP:INVOLVED relist to prevent WP:PEIS issues due to old log day still being present as a transclusion on Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion. Reminder that per WP:RELIST, this discussion can be closed at any time.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943 (talk) 20:46, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
Restore article per Thryduulf.RfD is not the appropriate venue to discuss the deletion of an article. A7V2 (talk) 08:19, 21 September 2024 (UTC) (struck, see below A7V2 (talk) 00:06, 25 September 2024 (UTC))
- But we're not discussing the deletion of an article, we're discussing the deletion of a redirect. RfD is absolutely the correct venue for this discussion. Do you have any evidence that the former article content may be notable? -- Tavix (talk) 22:56, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- You're welcome to disagree, but I don't agree that BLARing should be allowed to be used as a backdoor to deletion of articles. This case is even more problematic as there is evidence that some users disagreed with the BLARing (reverting it twice) but no deletion discussion took place. A7V2 (talk) 00:30, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- it had no sources, one of the reversions was per otherthings, the other had no reason given, and it was pure fancruft written in an almost entirely in-universe style. it had no place here then, and it has no place here now. thryduulf was the first person to present any form of actual argument about it, and even then, their arguments relied on rules that don't exist and/or contradict the ones that do cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:02, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- In what way do arguments that article content should be discussed at AfD before deletion contradict any rules? There are exactly two scenarios where it is acceptable to delete article content at RfD: Where previous discussion about the content has resulted in a consensus to delete and where the content would meet a speedy deletion criterion if restored. Neither apply here. Indeed what has happened here is equivalent to PROD being contested twice previously and then contested by multiple people here at RfD. No reason is required to contest a prod, yet here we have multiple and people are still arguing that AfD isn't required because they personally would vote delete there. Thryduulf (talk) 19:21, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- you
- cited wp:blar as a reason to restore despite that section being completely unrelated to deletion or merging discussions
- seemingly mistook rfd for a speedy deletion venue four times in this discussion (still no idea what that's about)
- handwaved to the existence of a "process" that, in restoring content contrary to how wikipedia works, would contradict long-standing precedent of deleting those blar'd lists (see the discussion for the list of strogg in quake 4 for a recent-ish example) and the guidelines detailed in wp:rfd (in this case, the main one is #2, as the list is still not present) and wp:notgameguide (as without notability or a single source, this list's presence would be unwarranted), but never detailed what the process actually is
- seemingly came up with a new guideline that states that blars' content absolutely needs to be taken to afd, seemingly ignoring the flimsy or nonexistent reasoning for the reversions here, and the aforementioned arguments against the content having already been made
- handwaved to this somehow violating wp:prod (or being equivalent to it? what does that even mean?), despite the fact that reverting edits that were considered unambiguously unconstructive even over 10 years ago is not considered very controversial, dealing with a redirect (unless this would count as an article the first time), the only argument against merging being "i worked hard on this", and it not even being a prod
- and yes, if the "process" somehow dictates that this should be taken to afd, my vote there would still be to delete as an unambiguous violation of wp:notgameguide
- every policy i could find states that this should be a pretty clear-cut case of "delete and call it a day". if you know what the policies that state otherwise are, please let me know. and maybe tavix too i guess cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 21:01, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Well, I can specify why WP:CSD isn't relevant here: the first sentence states (my emphasis added) that CSD is
the only cases in which administrators have broad consensus to bypass deletion discussion, at their discretion, and immediately delete Wikipedia pages or media
. RfD is a deletion discussion venue, so a criterion for speedy deletion is not necessary for deletion. I can also specify the purpose of WP:RFD per its first sentence:Redirects for discussion (RfD) is the place where potentially problematic redirects are discussed.
This is a potentially problematic redirect, so this is, by definition, where it should be discussed. -- Tavix (talk) 21:11, 23 September 2024 (UTC) - I don't understand why you (Cogsan) keep thinking I'm calling RFD a speedy deletion venue? I'm very explicitly not doing that. What I am saying is that: If BLARed content were restored, and that content would meet a speedy deletion criterion (e.g. it was a copyright violation or patent nonsense), then its OK to delete the former article content at RfD.
- When content is BLARed, and there are objections to that BLAR, then it is explicitly noted at WP:BLAR that the correct venue for discussion is AfD. There have been at least four independent objections to the BLAR here.
- That there isn't content at the target of the redirect is not really relevant because nobody is arguing to keep the redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 22:59, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- What is explicitly noted at WP:BLAR is that
other methods of dispute resolution should be used
. AfD is then listed as one of the options, evidenced by thesuch as
clause that follows. RfD is a dispute resolution venue, thus there is no issue with adjudicating BLAR issues here. -- Tavix (talk) 23:48, 23 September 2024 (UTC) - i disagree with the first point. from a thorough read, you made no effort to make your arguments related to speedy deletion seem like anything besides randomly bringing it up as if you thought that rfd was solely for speedy deletion (or worse, that afd was the only venue for non-speedy deletion) until this exact comment, which i still disagree with per wp:xfd. as tavix noted, every single policy anyone here could find either actively supports blars being taken to rfd as if they were redirects, or just suggests finding a venue for it (with afd provided as an example)
- and for the however manieth time, this whole discussion also actively ignores precedent that wikipedia doesn't house gamefaqs or fandom-style lists of things, unless they're notable (like pokémon), that those kinds of redirects just get deleted here regardless of blar status, and that no one seems interested in changing consensus in this area
- so to make things short, i believe every single one of your arguments here either heavily misunderstands how rfd works, or seems to be inventing some policy that has coincidentally never been followed yet, even by admins like tavix, hey man im josh, explicit, and... i was going to say you, but you mostly seem to deal with g6 and g7 speedy deletion, so give or take
- is this part also unreadable on mobile yet? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:44, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- What is explicitly noted at WP:BLAR is that
- Well, I can specify why WP:CSD isn't relevant here: the first sentence states (my emphasis added) that CSD is
- you
- In what way do arguments that article content should be discussed at AfD before deletion contradict any rules? There are exactly two scenarios where it is acceptable to delete article content at RfD: Where previous discussion about the content has resulted in a consensus to delete and where the content would meet a speedy deletion criterion if restored. Neither apply here. Indeed what has happened here is equivalent to PROD being contested twice previously and then contested by multiple people here at RfD. No reason is required to contest a prod, yet here we have multiple and people are still arguing that AfD isn't required because they personally would vote delete there. Thryduulf (talk) 19:21, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- @A7V2: Where's the backdoor? It looks like the front door is wide open during this discussion. As for
no deletion discussion took place
, there is one ongoing right now! I agree that disputed BLAR's should be restored should a case for notability be made, but so far no one has made a non-jurisdictional case for restoration. -- Tavix (talk) 21:20, 23 September 2024 (UTC)- @Tavix RfD and AfD attract different users looking at different things. Users who normally participate in deletion discussions but not at RfD would not necessarily know that this discussion is taking place. Has any WP:BEFORE been performed for this former article, or others like it at RfD? Also, there is no requirement that notability be established for someone to oppose a BLAR. That's why there is the suggestion that it be discussed at AfD. A7V2 (talk) 23:58, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- @A7V2: Do the five editors who have reviewed the article content and agreed that it was a violation of WP:NOTGAMEGUIDE mean nothing to you? What more would you want from an AfD discussion? RfDs are advertised in the article alert section of the relevant WikiProject(s), in this case WP:VG. One could alert the project with a talk page message if you are looking for something in particular? You could also WP:DELSORT the discussion. To demonstrate, I have added this discussion at Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Video games#Redirects. Have you performed a WP:BEFORE? If so, what did you find? Yes, because you are advocating for restoration the WP:BURDEN is on you to demonstrate that the content is verifiable
to a reliable source that directly supports the contribution
. -- Tavix (talk) 00:21, 24 September 2024 (UTC)- @Tavix we can go around in circles for as long as you'd like to. As I said before you are free to agree or disagree that this is the appropriate venue to discuss the deletion of article content. Why would I perform a WP:BEFORE when I am interested in discussing the former article but the redirect? I'm not going to respond to a strawman argument such as you've made with regard to WP:BURDEN except to say that if someone was to blank an unsourced article, it would be perfectly acceptable to restore that article and suggest that it be taken to AfD or PRODed, and I don't think that that is any different for a redirect. A final point I'll make is that often with these kinds of RfD nominations it is often more a matter of who notices them that affects the results rather than a clear and concrete policy, so I would be open to a wider discussion about this, but as it stands we have a clear ambiguity (after all we have very longstanding editors and administrators such as yourself and Thryduulf who disagree on this) and so all I can do is give my opinion, and whether that places me with consensus or against it for this case is up to the closer. A7V2 (talk) 01:57, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- @A7V2: When there is article content under the redirect, there is some determination that must be made about the content. For example, at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 18#2005-Cracker Barrell, you were able to analyze the article content, do some research on the topic, and come to the conclusion that it can be safely deleted, citing that it's unreferenced. That looks like a WP:BEFORE-like analysis to me. What's different about this redirect? Do you see something that you think may be notable? If not, what's the point of taking it to AfD—so we can wait a week and have it deleted then? What I'm trying to do is protect AfD from being a dumping ground of RfD's trash and prevent RfD from having a reputation that we are unable to handle this. This discussion is actually good evidence of RfD being able to handle it when you strip away the meta-arguments: five(!) editors have reviewed the content and determined that it fails WP:NOTGAMEGUIDE, which has been more attended than your average AfD. Finally, as for whether it would be acceptable to restore an unreferenced article, the policy answer is no—not unless you're adding citations. WP:BURDEN makes very clear (with my emphasis) that
any material lacking an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the material may be removed and should not be restored without an inline citation to a reliable source.
-- Tavix (talk) 02:34, 24 September 2024 (UTC)- I looked at the history and saw that the BLAR had previously been disputed. That in line with my usual standard of whether the article passes WP:SNOW was enough for me to feel that this shouldn't be deleted here. I will admit I did not read all of the above discussions as carefully as I perhaps should have, but when much of it is pointless badgering when it is very clear what Thryduulf means with regards to whether the former article satisfied any CSD, I am less inclined to read it carefully or pay it much attention. I disagree with your interpretation of policy with regards to unreferenced articles being blanked rather than taken to AfD or PRODed (of which there are still many lurking around not being blanked, I suppose someone could blank them all if they liked but to me that would seem disruptive) but note that in this case the BLARer did not express any concerns around verifiablilty, and much of the content can be trivially cited to the game's manual (eg [39], pages 29-32). A7V2 (talk) 04:09, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- i'll say that yes, i also disagree with this having been blar'd. i think it should have been taken to afd back then so that this discussion wouldn't have been happening now
- but i'll also disagree with using the manual as a source (trivially or not, as it likely wouldn't warrant a list on its own) before finding something secondary, since one could also make the exact same argument for chasm: the rift or earthbound cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:08, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- The manual of course can't be used to establish notability but could be used to satisfy verifiability (but what I was getting at was that this question about verifiability is just an excuse to get around the proper processes). Given what has been discussed above it does seem unlikely that this would be kept if taken to AfD so I'll withdraw my !vote but this was certainly handled poorly in the first place as you say. A7V2 (talk) 00:06, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- I looked at the history and saw that the BLAR had previously been disputed. That in line with my usual standard of whether the article passes WP:SNOW was enough for me to feel that this shouldn't be deleted here. I will admit I did not read all of the above discussions as carefully as I perhaps should have, but when much of it is pointless badgering when it is very clear what Thryduulf means with regards to whether the former article satisfied any CSD, I am less inclined to read it carefully or pay it much attention. I disagree with your interpretation of policy with regards to unreferenced articles being blanked rather than taken to AfD or PRODed (of which there are still many lurking around not being blanked, I suppose someone could blank them all if they liked but to me that would seem disruptive) but note that in this case the BLARer did not express any concerns around verifiablilty, and much of the content can be trivially cited to the game's manual (eg [39], pages 29-32). A7V2 (talk) 04:09, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- @A7V2: When there is article content under the redirect, there is some determination that must be made about the content. For example, at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 18#2005-Cracker Barrell, you were able to analyze the article content, do some research on the topic, and come to the conclusion that it can be safely deleted, citing that it's unreferenced. That looks like a WP:BEFORE-like analysis to me. What's different about this redirect? Do you see something that you think may be notable? If not, what's the point of taking it to AfD—so we can wait a week and have it deleted then? What I'm trying to do is protect AfD from being a dumping ground of RfD's trash and prevent RfD from having a reputation that we are unable to handle this. This discussion is actually good evidence of RfD being able to handle it when you strip away the meta-arguments: five(!) editors have reviewed the content and determined that it fails WP:NOTGAMEGUIDE, which has been more attended than your average AfD. Finally, as for whether it would be acceptable to restore an unreferenced article, the policy answer is no—not unless you're adding citations. WP:BURDEN makes very clear (with my emphasis) that
- @Tavix we can go around in circles for as long as you'd like to. As I said before you are free to agree or disagree that this is the appropriate venue to discuss the deletion of article content. Why would I perform a WP:BEFORE when I am interested in discussing the former article but the redirect? I'm not going to respond to a strawman argument such as you've made with regard to WP:BURDEN except to say that if someone was to blank an unsourced article, it would be perfectly acceptable to restore that article and suggest that it be taken to AfD or PRODed, and I don't think that that is any different for a redirect. A final point I'll make is that often with these kinds of RfD nominations it is often more a matter of who notices them that affects the results rather than a clear and concrete policy, so I would be open to a wider discussion about this, but as it stands we have a clear ambiguity (after all we have very longstanding editors and administrators such as yourself and Thryduulf who disagree on this) and so all I can do is give my opinion, and whether that places me with consensus or against it for this case is up to the closer. A7V2 (talk) 01:57, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- @A7V2: Do the five editors who have reviewed the article content and agreed that it was a violation of WP:NOTGAMEGUIDE mean nothing to you? What more would you want from an AfD discussion? RfDs are advertised in the article alert section of the relevant WikiProject(s), in this case WP:VG. One could alert the project with a talk page message if you are looking for something in particular? You could also WP:DELSORT the discussion. To demonstrate, I have added this discussion at Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Video games#Redirects. Have you performed a WP:BEFORE? If so, what did you find? Yes, because you are advocating for restoration the WP:BURDEN is on you to demonstrate that the content is verifiable
- @Tavix RfD and AfD attract different users looking at different things. Users who normally participate in deletion discussions but not at RfD would not necessarily know that this discussion is taking place. Has any WP:BEFORE been performed for this former article, or others like it at RfD? Also, there is no requirement that notability be established for someone to oppose a BLAR. That's why there is the suggestion that it be discussed at AfD. A7V2 (talk) 23:58, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- it had no sources, one of the reversions was per otherthings, the other had no reason given, and it was pure fancruft written in an almost entirely in-universe style. it had no place here then, and it has no place here now. thryduulf was the first person to present any form of actual argument about it, and even then, their arguments relied on rules that don't exist and/or contradict the ones that do cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:02, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- You're welcome to disagree, but I don't agree that BLARing should be allowed to be used as a backdoor to deletion of articles. This case is even more problematic as there is evidence that some users disagreed with the BLARing (reverting it twice) but no deletion discussion took place. A7V2 (talk) 00:30, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- But we're not discussing the deletion of an article, we're discussing the deletion of a redirect. RfD is absolutely the correct venue for this discussion. Do you have any evidence that the former article content may be notable? -- Tavix (talk) 22:56, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
Wrestle with jimmy
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 24#Wrestle with jimmy
Heather Liscano
[edit]Shoilan Government Primary School
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 24#Shoilan Government Primary School
Dupchanchia Model Government Primary School
[edit]Chicago Gators
[edit]March 31, 2023
[edit]- March 31, 2023 → Tornado outbreak of March 31 – April 1, 2023 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- May 20, 2013 → 2013 Moore tornado (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- April 4, 1974 → 1974 Super Outbreak (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Unlikely alternative titles. We don't have redirects for April 27, 2011 or April 3, 1974 which are more important than either and they've received next to no traffic recently. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 15:59, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
As for the April 4, 1974 redirect I just appended to this RfD; I nominated it here because I accidentally created the redirect with the wrong date. Hurricane Clyde 🌀my talk page! 19:05, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
Delete No reason for these.Noah, BSBATalk 16:09, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per below. Noah, BSBATalk 17:19, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
Keep. Tornadoes do not officially receive names so they can be tricky to search. An easy way to distinguish from other tornado outbreaks (especially when multiple outbreaks occur in the same area and/or around the same time) is by using the date. A little bit of poking around shows the tornadoes would be the primary topic for these dates. I would also be in favor of creating redirects for the other two dates mentioned in the nomination. -- Tavix (talk) 16:18, 17 September 2024 (UTC)- The problem here is a simple date is too ambiguous. It could be any event that happened on a specific day. I don't see how it's plausible to redirect days of a year to a tornado outbreak. The fact that these aren't getting traffic shows they arent needed to begin with. Noah, BSBATalk 16:30, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Plenty of primary topics are ambiguous—that's not a problem. Can you make the case for either of these dates that another event could plausibly be significant enough to rival the tornadoes? -- Tavix (talk) 16:44, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- An event being the most important of any particular day doesn't mean it's the only thing that happened that day. There are very few dates that I would consider worthy enough to be redirected, such as 4 July 1776 for the Signing of the United States Declaration of Independence and 14 August 1945 for the Surrender of Japan, or more recently 7 October 2023 for the 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel and 24 February 2022 for the Russian invasion of Ukraine. These are major events that have had significant cultural effects and the dates of which are unlikely to be forgotten in the public eye and which are the clear primary topics for those days. Most people worldwide today don't know that March 31, 2023 had a tornado outbreak, especially a year after the fact, and the same goes for May 20, 2013. They don't have the primary topic advantage my previous examples had, and either way, are receiving little traffic. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 17:04, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Nowhere did I say this was the only thing that happened that day, but I do have a solution to the pushback that I'm getting: -- Tavix (talk) 17:16, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Tavix, @Hurricane Noah, @GeorgeMemulous; I need to inform all of you that I just appended a third redirect onto this request. Thank you. Hurricane Clyde 🌀my talk page! 19:09, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Nowhere did I say this was the only thing that happened that day, but I do have a solution to the pushback that I'm getting: -- Tavix (talk) 17:16, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- An event being the most important of any particular day doesn't mean it's the only thing that happened that day. There are very few dates that I would consider worthy enough to be redirected, such as 4 July 1776 for the Signing of the United States Declaration of Independence and 14 August 1945 for the Surrender of Japan, or more recently 7 October 2023 for the 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel and 24 February 2022 for the Russian invasion of Ukraine. These are major events that have had significant cultural effects and the dates of which are unlikely to be forgotten in the public eye and which are the clear primary topics for those days. Most people worldwide today don't know that March 31, 2023 had a tornado outbreak, especially a year after the fact, and the same goes for May 20, 2013. They don't have the primary topic advantage my previous examples had, and either way, are receiving little traffic. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 17:04, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Plenty of primary topics are ambiguous—that's not a problem. Can you make the case for either of these dates that another event could plausibly be significant enough to rival the tornadoes? -- Tavix (talk) 16:44, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- The problem here is a simple date is too ambiguous. It could be any event that happened on a specific day. I don't see how it's plausible to redirect days of a year to a tornado outbreak. The fact that these aren't getting traffic shows they arent needed to begin with. Noah, BSBATalk 16:30, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Portal:Current events/2023 March 31 and Portal:Current events/2013 May 20 respectively. Any event that happened on that day notable enough to be covered in a mainspace Wikipedia article should be listed there. -- Tavix (talk) 17:16, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep 2013 and 2023 redirects – I have to disagree with GeorgeMemulous and some of the others on this one. I was about to create and tag the 2013 redirect (with an R from date template) when I discovered it was under discussion. I think it and other tornado date redirects can be of use at least for us here at WP:Weather.
- Now that said, if there was something else really notable that occurred on those two dates, then it would be a different story and I’d probably be in favor of deleting or retargeting. But barring that, they’re useful to me, and probably to some of the others on WP:Weather, so I think they should be kept, even if there is a relatively small amount of traffic. Hurricane Clyde 🌀my talk page! 18:58, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- As for the 1974 redirect that I appended onto this discussion; as the nominator of that redirect, I favor deleting it. Hurricane Clyde 🌀my talk page! 19:15, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- And FYI @GeorgeMemulous, we actually do have a redirect to both of those dates you listed in your nomination. Hurricane Clyde 🌀my talk page! 18:59, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Although I am going to append another date redirect to your nomination that I do favor deleting, one I just created and realized that I got the date wrong. Hurricane Clyde 🌀my talk page! 19:01, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I see that there is no clear policy when it comes to dates and redirects; redirection to Current Events is a WP:Cross-namespace redirect but either way they're the primary topic for those days. I might take this to the village pump to get some policy to be set in stone with date redirects. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 19:18, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep March 31, 2023 – When I Google
"March 31, 2023"
, majority of the results are the tornado outbreak (i.e. the redirect location). NOAA's webpage on the tornado outbreak (2nd result on Google) is titled "The Tornado Outbreak of March 31, 2023". First result is the outbreak's Wikipedia article. CNN's article for what happened on March 31, 2023 has the top thing being the Trump indictment (obviously not going to be known/associated with that date as a redirect), and the 2nd thing is the tornado outbreak..."A severe weather outbreak could impact nearly 70 million people today from the Mississippi Valley to the Ohio and Tennessee Valleys, meteorologists say.
" Here is a couple of other RS sources that use the date in association with the outbreak: [40][41][42][43][44][45][46][47][48][49][50][51][52][53]. In short, I do not think any other event is going to be known or associated well enough with that event for a redirect ("deletion") to Portal:Current events/2023 March 31 over the tornado outbreak. Unless someone can provide clear counter evidence as to why the outbreak is not the main topic associated with that date, I will remain keep for that redirect. As a fun P.S., the Trump indictment mentioned by CNN as the top story on March 31, 2023, is not even mentioned on Wikipedia's portal of current events for March 31, 2023. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 19:54, 17 September 2024 (UTC)- Because the Trump indictment was on March 30th. Hurricane Clyde 🌀my talk page! 20:52, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
List of Kingdom Hearts franchice characters
[edit]List of Kingdom Hearts origanal game characters
[edit]Enigmatic Man
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Blonde Haired Kid
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Certificat Superieur de Francais
[edit]- Certificat Superieur de Francais → Language education (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Certificat Supérieur de Français → Language education (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. Only seems to occur in a passing mention on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:20, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Note I've merged the version with the diacritic in with this nomination as was likely intended. It was nominated with no rationale. Thryduulf (talk) 17:25, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. This seems to be the full name of the "B2" level mentioned at Telc#French and possibly warrants a mention, but a mention at Français langue étrangère#Diplomas, certifications and examinations may also be due. Thryduulf (talk) 17:32, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
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Deer cannon
[edit]Template:R from patronymic
[edit]- Template:R from patronymic → Template:R from surname (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Patronymics are not surnames, and I don't think the use-cases here are even remotely similar. I'm not sure if there are any naming conventions that would refer to a person by their patronymic only, so the only redirects from patronymics I could imagine would lead to articles about the corresponding names (not people). 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:09, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- One usecase will be redirects from patronymics that are misinterpreted as surnames, which is something that is, for example, done by many people from Britain and the US with respect to Icelandic names. Thryduulf (talk) 22:40, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- For those, I would suggest they point at the relevant given name articles as well. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:51, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- They would still be redirects from patronymics, I interpreted your nomination to be arguing for the deletion of the redirect for having no valid usecases?
- I can think of five possible targets for a redirect from a patronymic
- A single article (when it is unambiguous)
- A surname page (where a single name is used as both a surname and a patronymic by different people)
- A given name page (where a single name is used as both a given name and a patronymic by different people)
- A a combination given name and surname page (when some people use it as a given name and others a surname)
- A patronymic page (when it is used as a patronymic by multiple notable people, but not as any other sort of name)
- So I guess either retargetting to {{R from short name}} or making it it's own template would be best. Thryduulf (talk) 04:17, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yes. The current target is not appropriate in my opinion. 1234qwer1234qwer4 16:04, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- For those, I would suggest they point at the relevant given name articles as well. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:51, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep in multiple cultures e.g. Icelandic names, they use patronymics instead of surnames. Thus, every "R from surname" for Icelandic name is actually a "R from patronymic". Joseph2302 (talk) 06:45, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Then they aren't "R from surname"s and shouldn't be tagged as such (which is the current result of applying this redirect tag). 1234qwer1234qwer4 16:04, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
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Kingdom hearts kari
[edit]Naga (Warcraft)
[edit]- Naga (Warcraft) → Gameplay of World of Warcraft (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. Mentioned once in passing at Warcraft#Azeroth but not really with enough substance to warrant a redirect. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:08, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to List of piscine and amphibian humanoids#Games, where it is mentioned. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 04:46, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Honestly that article itself should probably be sent to AfD. It's a pile of poorly-sourced trivia with no real focus, and if it were cleaned up properly it would probably no longer mention the naga. * Pppery * it has begun... 05:52, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne which seems to be the most detailed appearance on Wikipedia I have seen, including a bit of commentary from a secondary sources. (And seems to be the first appearance in the game series.) Daranios (talk) 14:07, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- That is a better suggestion than mine. Prefer a refined target of #Settings and characters though. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 04:54, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Godsy: Usually I am in favor of such a refinement, but in this case the preceding section #Gameplay already has relevant information on the naga - which might be overlooked by an interested reader if we point them further down - and so do sections further down. So here I would prefer to just link to the article. Daranios (talk) 10:38, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Daranios: I still prefer the refined target because it defines a 'naga' as opposed to describing their introduction into the specific game at hand. Keep in mind that the (Warcraft) disambiguator may designate the Warcraft universe, not merely the origin series of games. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 16:19, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Godsy: Let me bracket that with, I think that's a minor point and I would have no problem with either solution. And I see your point, the brief definition you are referring to being "the Naga are mutated former Night Elves" I assume. But I still prefer not to link to #Settings and characters, because #Gameplay also has a very brief definition: The sentence "Two new Factions, the Naga and Draenei, have also been added [in Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne]." contains the information "the Naga are a Faction in the Warcraft franchise". That may be even more basic, but that does not have to be a drawback. And the definition in #Setting is an in-universe one - and I would be the last person to say that this is not valid and valuable to the reader - while the one in #Gameplay is real-world related. So both have their worth and I do not think we should point the reader to the one further down with the risk of overlooking the one further up. Daranios (talk) 06:56, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Daranios: I still prefer the refined target because it defines a 'naga' as opposed to describing their introduction into the specific game at hand. Keep in mind that the (Warcraft) disambiguator may designate the Warcraft universe, not merely the origin series of games. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 16:19, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Godsy: Usually I am in favor of such a refinement, but in this case the preceding section #Gameplay already has relevant information on the naga - which might be overlooked by an interested reader if we point them further down - and so do sections further down. So here I would prefer to just link to the article. Daranios (talk) 10:38, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- That is a better suggestion than mine. Prefer a refined target of #Settings and characters though. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 04:54, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
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Photosite
[edit]mentioned exactly once in the article, in the lead, in passing, inside parentheses (can't guarantee citation 3 doesn't mention it because it's paywalled), really doesn't make it clear if a pixel is supposed to be a part of a photosite or vice-versa, though it seems to be the latter, which might make this the equivalent of redirecting "body hair" to beard. what do? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:33, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- My first thought was an image hosting website, but googling shows that actually it refers to (as wikt:photosite puts it) "An individual light-sensitive element in a digital image sensor." and pixel is an alternative term for this. This suggests that image sensor is the correct target for the redirect - however the term is not mentioned there. Where it is mentioned is articles about specific sensors or sensor technologies, which are all too specific a target. A specific image hosting site ("PhotoSite") is mentioned at Homestead Technologies#History but that doesn't appear to be notable (and seems to have been discontinued circa 2006). I'm not completely sure what the best course of action is here, but the status quo definitely isn't it. Perhaps soft redirecting to Wiktionary if the term isn't added at Image sensor? If we do soft redirect we should remove the link to Wikipedia from that page to avoid a circular link. Thryduulf (talk) 10:03, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
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- wikt:photosite per Thryduulf, and remove the circular wikipedia link there. Jay 💬 16:11, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
Unio personalis
[edit]Za'ura
[edit]The current target was created today. Until then it targetted Zoora, which has a footnote stating that Za'ura is an alternative romanisation. It's not immediately clear to me whether one topic is primary (in which case there should be a hatnote to the other) or whether a disambig should be primary. I've not immediately found any other possible targets but my searching hasn't been as extensive as I'd like (I'm running low on time).
Courtesy ping to those who've commented at ANI: @Supreme Deliciousness, Primefac, and Selfstudier:. Thryduulf (talk) 21:40, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- If the alternate romanisation is correct, then I would advocate for reversing the retargeting and restore the Zoora link; that subject is well-sourced and likely more notable than a nonexistent historical village in Syria. Primefac (talk) 23:20, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Dab. For the saint, see here. Srnec (talk) 03:00, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Move Za'ura, Syria → Za'ura, as there does not seem to be a need to disambiguate (are there other locations in the world with that same name?). Use WP:hatnotes in the two articles, Za'ura and Zoora. The two articles have similar pronounciations, but not the same. Hence, there is no need for a disambiguation page. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 20:55, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Pronunciation is irrelevant. Both articles could be titled "Za'ura" so disambiguation of some sort is required. The question is whether that should be a hatnote from the primary topic or a primary disambiguation page. To answer that question we need to know whether one or the other is the primary topic for people searching "Za'ura" and from my searches there doesn't appear to be, although Google refusing to distinguish between "Za'ura" and "za ura" is not helpful. Thryduulf (talk) 11:09, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- I created Za'ura, Syria. Dont really have an opinion. There is very little info about the village. Maybe the redirect should go to Zoora. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 22:01, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Move Za'ura, Syria to Za'ura and put a hatnote there for disambiguation
{{for|the Syrian monk|Zoora}}
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Monsoon Revolution
[edit]- Monsoon Revolution → Non-cooperation movement (2024) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Non-cooperation movement (2024) is not known as "Monsoon Revolution". There is no source verify that. In that way, this redirect is WP:OR. Also Monsoon Revolution is the name of a book "Monsoon Revolution: Republicans, Sultans, and Empires in Oman, 1965-1976". Redirect this to the subject creates confusion. It needs to be deleted. Mehedi Abedin 04:49, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep I found at least one source that is calling it "Monsoon Revolution". [54] Za-ari-masen (talk) 05:38, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The above source had been removed from the article. I also found the one I had originally heard this term used in [55] (just after the 4 minute mark in the audio) and added a note about the alternative name back to the intro of Non-cooperation movement (2024). Given that it has also been used for the Dhofar War (which is what the book is apparently about), perhaps this should be made into a disambiguation page between those two? -- Beland (talk) 06:47, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate: There are only three hits for the name that pertain to the NCM in Bangladesh. The name is used for other events as well as mentioned above. PadFoot (talk) 07:01, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate: In that case disambiguation is the better idea considering what Beland and PadFoot2008 said. Mehedi Abedin 07:16, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose: It doesn't seem like this is the name that sticks. I did notice that an article was made entitled July 36 where it is said that that is what Bangladeshis calling the date of Sheikh Hasina's removal. I think we're seeing a scenario akin to the Revolution of Dignity in Ukraine. Image2012 (talk) 11:06, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
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- I’m going to say the latter. We don’t seem to have enough evidence for the term’s usage to refer to either the Non-cooperation movement or the Dhofar War. Image2012 (talk) 09:14, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'd agree this is not the most common name for either of those events, but we've found sources for both those meanings as less common names. If a reader comes across the phrase "Monsoon Revolution" in the future, they should be able to find the article on Wikipedia that explains the particular meaning that source was using, assuming we have one. A disambiguation page would help them figure out which one, if any, apply from context. -- Beland (talk) 17:51, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- I’m going to say the latter. We don’t seem to have enough evidence for the term’s usage to refer to either the Non-cooperation movement or the Dhofar War. Image2012 (talk) 09:14, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Image2012: What are you opposing? Deletion per the original nomination, or the disambiguation suggestion per the nom's later choice? Do you want the redirect to be kept as is? Jay 💬 06:59, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
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The Glades (Arrow)
[edit]Try Stress Management
[edit]Liberry
[edit]Resident Evil RE:Verse
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Major All Stars
[edit]Muhajir Province
[edit]- Muhajir Province → Karachi Division (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Muhajir Province (Movement) → Karachi Division (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention in target page. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 07:08, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: This redirect points to its current target due to its former target, Muhajir Province (Movement) (title match but with a disambiguator, thus a WP:PRECISE violation), being subject to a total WP:BLAR which occurred a few months ago. Steel1943 (talk) 00:15, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete as no such province exists in Pakistan. Wikibear47 (talk) 19:08, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Also bundle Muhajir Province Movement, Muhajir Province (Linguist Movement), Muhajir Province (Linguistic Movement), and Muhajir Sooba. Retarget all to Mohajir Qaumi Movement Pakistan. Jay 💬 17:45, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed Wikibear47 (talk) 13:46, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
Pokemon Directory
[edit]The Greatest Of All Time (Upcoming film)
[edit]- The Greatest Of All Time (Upcoming film) → The Greatest of All Time (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The film has released, and this doesn't link to any mainspace article. Kailash29792 (talk) 08:44, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep only released a few days ago and therefore very unsurprisingly it's still getting a lot of hits. Even the hardliners shouldn't have to do their usual mental gymnastics to avoid seeing the usefulness of this one. Thryduulf (talk) 10:58, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete due to the multiple capitalization errors, including 'Of' and 'Upcoming. -- Tavix (talk) 12:45, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- I was wrong, you are doing mental gymnastics to justify harming the encyclopaedia by deleting an unambiguous, well-used redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 13:18, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- That's what The Greatest of All Time (upcoming film) is for! -- Tavix (talk) 13:21, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Regardless of what you think people should use, they are actually using this one more. Our goal is to enable people to find the content they are looking for in the way they are looking for it , we do not and should not require people to know our arbitrary titling conventions beforehand. Thryduulf (talk) 13:43, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, if we're discussing which redirects people should use, they shouldn't use either one. This film is no longer upcoming—they are now obsolete. (This is arbitrary?! No way!) -- Tavix (talk) 15:33, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- We do not get to decide which redirects people should use, we only get to choose whether they are allowed to keep using the ones they do use or whether we will go out of our way to cause harm by making them jump through arbitrary hoops for absolutely no benefit to ourselves. I know which is the only option there is any justification for choosing, but perhaps some people enjoy being nasty? Thryduulf (talk) 16:34, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- If this redirect did not exist, anyone who would have used this redirect would still be able to find the article just as easily. On the other hand, keeping an obsolete and misleading redirect is harmful for those who think the redirect implies that it may still be upcoming. Deletion resolves any potential lingering confusion there. -- Tavix (talk) 17:03, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Some people will still be able to find the target, but given that people will have to navigate search results (that may or may not include the target) and that these might be several clicks/taps away (depending on multiple factors) it is objectively incorrect to say
anyone who would have used this redirect would still be able to find the article just as easily.
- Redirects that are incorrect but lead to an article that is correct are not in and of themselves harmful or confusing, otherwise we would have no redirects from misspellings, mishearings (cf your argument to keep at #Liberry) typos, misnomers, former names and other titles that are equally obsolete or incorrect, but we have thousands of them because we recognise that deleting them would be harmful to our readers. Thryduulf (talk) 19:31, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Search results will definitely include the target, the title is an exact match for the first five words. Common misspellings, etc. are useful enough to overcome the inherent risk, but redirects with disambiguation errors are not natural search terms. -- Tavix (talk) 19:47, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Some people will still be able to find the target, but given that people will have to navigate search results (that may or may not include the target) and that these might be several clicks/taps away (depending on multiple factors) it is objectively incorrect to say
- If this redirect did not exist, anyone who would have used this redirect would still be able to find the article just as easily. On the other hand, keeping an obsolete and misleading redirect is harmful for those who think the redirect implies that it may still be upcoming. Deletion resolves any potential lingering confusion there. -- Tavix (talk) 17:03, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- We do not get to decide which redirects people should use, we only get to choose whether they are allowed to keep using the ones they do use or whether we will go out of our way to cause harm by making them jump through arbitrary hoops for absolutely no benefit to ourselves. I know which is the only option there is any justification for choosing, but perhaps some people enjoy being nasty? Thryduulf (talk) 16:34, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, if we're discussing which redirects people should use, they shouldn't use either one. This film is no longer upcoming—they are now obsolete. (This is arbitrary?! No way!) -- Tavix (talk) 15:33, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Regardless of what you think people should use, they are actually using this one more. Our goal is to enable people to find the content they are looking for in the way they are looking for it , we do not and should not require people to know our arbitrary titling conventions beforehand. Thryduulf (talk) 13:43, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- That's what The Greatest of All Time (upcoming film) is for! -- Tavix (talk) 13:21, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- I was wrong, you are doing mental gymnastics to justify harming the encyclopaedia by deleting an unambiguous, well-used redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 13:18, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Delete. Regardless if this currently qualifies for WP:UFILM at present, the capitalized "Of" and "Upcoming" make this redirect WP:COSTLY when combined with WP:UFILM deletion potential. Also, this redirect was created due to fixing the capitalization in December 2023, which was well before the target subject was released. Best get rid of this troublesome redirect now, especially considering we currently have the correctly capitalized The Greatest of All Time (upcoming film). Steel1943 (talk) 13:26, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- No redirect that is unambiguously taking people to the content they are looking for can, by definition, be costly. This redirect is unambiguously taking people to the content they are looking for. Regardless of why it exists, or whether you think it should exist, it does exist and deleting it would be harmful while keeping it benefits readers. Thryduulf (talk) 13:44, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) In actuality, there is no way to prove your "
This redirect is unambiguously taking people to the content they are looking for.
" claim. What if a reader is looking for a different film of this title that is actually "upcoming"/"not yet released"? That's not what the target is anymore. (Getting into WP:UFILM territory here ... holding off on that until the discussion for the other redirect, The Greatest of All Time (upcoming film), occurs.) Steel1943 (talk) 16:08, 17 September 2024 (UTC)- In this case, as far as I've been able to determine, there is no other film with this title that is actually upcoming - indeed I've not found any evidence of any other film with this title. So, yes, when we bother to look at the evidence rather than theory or ideology it is unambiguous. Thryduulf (talk) 16:40, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Right, there could be unrelated WP:OR / WP:MADEUP / WP:HOAX upcoming film topics someone may have seen on some Fandom-like website. In such a case, a reader who does not know the difference between such topics and an actual encyclopedic topic arrives at the current target when searching "upcoming film" as a disambiguator, though the target article is about a subject they are not looking (since the subject they are looking for is unencyclopedic and shouldn't belong on Wikipedia anyways), the reader may not understand or know the difference between the subjects, and then assume the target subject is the subject they are looking for. That right there is ... a textbook case of WP:RHARMFUL (specifically WP:RDEL reasons #1 and/or #2). Steel1943 (talk) 19:02, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- That could theoretically apply to every article and redirect on Wikipedia, and it's no more a reason why they are harmful than it is a reason this is harmful - especially when there is no evidence such OR/MADEUP/HOAX films exist for this title but there is for others. Have you run out of straws to clutch at yet? Thryduulf (talk) 19:33, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Point is in some cases, such redirects with disambiguators that hint to a WP:CRYSTAL subject, an erroneous disambiguator causes more harm than good to readers not knowing or caring how Wikipedia works (WP:HAC#Readers). Steel1943 (talk) 19:41, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- From WP:HAC#Readers:
Most readers are on Wikipedia with the mission to find what they are looking for, usually in the quickest manner possible, so they can get back on with the rest of their day.
In this case we have evidence that readers are using this redirect to find something, evidence that it plausibly could be the current target, and absolutely no evidence whatsoever that it is anything else. We therefore best serve readers by keeping this redirect pointing to its current location and allow them to find what they are looking for without navigating (up to several hoops before arriving at) search results that may or may not (prominently) feature the target article. Thryduulf (talk) 12:56, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- From WP:HAC#Readers:
- Point is in some cases, such redirects with disambiguators that hint to a WP:CRYSTAL subject, an erroneous disambiguator causes more harm than good to readers not knowing or caring how Wikipedia works (WP:HAC#Readers). Steel1943 (talk) 19:41, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- That could theoretically apply to every article and redirect on Wikipedia, and it's no more a reason why they are harmful than it is a reason this is harmful - especially when there is no evidence such OR/MADEUP/HOAX films exist for this title but there is for others. Have you run out of straws to clutch at yet? Thryduulf (talk) 19:33, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Right, there could be unrelated WP:OR / WP:MADEUP / WP:HOAX upcoming film topics someone may have seen on some Fandom-like website. In such a case, a reader who does not know the difference between such topics and an actual encyclopedic topic arrives at the current target when searching "upcoming film" as a disambiguator, though the target article is about a subject they are not looking (since the subject they are looking for is unencyclopedic and shouldn't belong on Wikipedia anyways), the reader may not understand or know the difference between the subjects, and then assume the target subject is the subject they are looking for. That right there is ... a textbook case of WP:RHARMFUL (specifically WP:RDEL reasons #1 and/or #2). Steel1943 (talk) 19:02, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- In this case, as far as I've been able to determine, there is no other film with this title that is actually upcoming - indeed I've not found any evidence of any other film with this title. So, yes, when we bother to look at the evidence rather than theory or ideology it is unambiguous. Thryduulf (talk) 16:40, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) In actuality, there is no way to prove your "
- No redirect that is unambiguously taking people to the content they are looking for can, by definition, be costly. This redirect is unambiguously taking people to the content they are looking for. Regardless of why it exists, or whether you think it should exist, it does exist and deleting it would be harmful while keeping it benefits readers. Thryduulf (talk) 13:44, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- This redirect is getting next to no hits, with zero in the last 10 days. The film was released 2 weeks ago, which I wouldn't consider a "few days ago". In a perfect world, ~2 weeks is plenty of time to allow views to taper off imo, but we've generously extended it to 30 to give ample leeway to lost readers. That said, the capitalization differences here are plausible as they are with most any title, so that's not a reason to delete this one. The film came out at the start of September, which it's now mid-September, so this does come as a bit of a rush. Feel free to renominate alongside The Greatest of All Time (upcoming film) once ample time has passed. Keep for now. Utopes (talk / cont) 16:06, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
This redirect is getting next to no hits, with zero in the last 10 days
where are you seeing that? The stats link shows it got 28 hits in the three days before this nomination. How long do you think is "ample time"? Personally, I think it's when people have actually stopped using the redirect (because I don't know how a redirect that's unambiguously helping people find the content they are looking for can be declared anything other than useful), occasionally that happens almost instantly, occasionally it's over a year, most often it's somewhere in the 2-10 week range, but each one is different. Thryduulf (talk) 16:38, 17 September 2024 (UTC)- The stats link shows that it received 28 hits between September 5th, 6th, and 7th, which aligns with the film's worldwide release on September 5th. The redirect then received zero hits in the last 10 days between September 8th through September 17th, at the moment I was originally writing.
- The length of "ample time" is enough to allow the pageviews to trend down. If enough days have passed where the pageviews indicate that the hits are generally going towards zero. If, for some reason, the pageviews AREN'T going down, that indicates a problem that should be fixed before deletion, such as existing wikilinks in need of repair. Dropping from 10,000 to 10 across the course of a month, is plenty of evidence of decline in use, a classic projection that has occurred similarly to any declining search term in existence. As such, its a fine spot, indicating we've done everything right in regards to cleanup, and are ready to switch over to the exclusively accurate title.
- Beyond ~30 days, nobody actually thinks this movie is upcoming in the general public. 30 days, coincidentally, is about the length of most theatrical runs, so if the movie isn't even playing in theatres anymore, there's no longer an argument of release-date ignorance, as the run is over over. As it so happens, the movie IS still in theatres, as it released 2 weeks ago. So I'm keep !voting. Utopes (talk / cont) 15:43, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- There's a lot of WP:CRYSTAL in that. We care what actually happens, and what people are actually doing not what we think they might do in the future if current trends continue, nor what we think they should do. This is why we wait until page views actually have stopped, we don't delete when we think they should have done. Continued views are not "problems" and don't need fixing. Incorrect links from current revisions of en.wp articles might be the source of traffic, but more likely its links from external webpages or searches based on offline or unlinked mentions. Finally, remember that release dates and theatrical runs are not always the same everywhere - e.g. a film may have been released last month in the US but still be upcoming elsewhere. For example one of my earlier internet memories is chatting with an American and a Swiss person about Independence Day (1996 film) in circa mid-August of that year having just been to see it at the cinema (probably in its 2nd or 3rd week); the theatrical release in the US was over having been released on 4 July but it was not due for release until September in Switzerland. For an American searching it as "upcoming" would have been very unlikely, for a Brit a bit behind the times but not implausible, but it would be accurate for a Swiss searcher. Thryduulf (talk) 00:28, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- If there's a Switzerland release for September that gets mentioned in the article, I'd say wait about 30 days after that to give it time to go down, letting the redirect exist well into October. Nobody in Switzerland thinks it's upcoming in October. And absolutely not October of the subsequent year. If there's a staggered release mentioned in the article, then wait until it can no longer be considered "upcoming" by any stretch of logic, and then delete. I don't think that the USA is the world by any means. I was just speaking for a general magic example where a global release was at big number, and shrank to small number, 10 or so, about the size of a lunchroom table worth of people and otherwise inconsequential views from my own POV.
- I had more written in my previous response (re: the 10k to 10, & the "inconsequentiality" factor), but I deleted some of the context (about 50% of the text) because I thought "well we're both !voting keep". My main reason for responding was the pageviews thing; this one dropped to zero and stuck for 10 days. We don't wait for things to go to zero, and then wait for them to raise back up from zero. If it was zero, it was zero, and holding that for what probably would've been ~14 days/2 weeks total without an RfD, is plenty of time at zero to indicate stopped usage (had it been 30+ days after release). HOWEVER, because the movie did just release this month (globally), and also The Greatest of All Time (upcoming film) exists, I agree with you these titles should be treated equally, as there's nothing implicitly wrong with the current capitalization of this title. Utopes (talk / cont) 01:06, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- There's a lot of WP:CRYSTAL in that. We care what actually happens, and what people are actually doing not what we think they might do in the future if current trends continue, nor what we think they should do. This is why we wait until page views actually have stopped, we don't delete when we think they should have done. Continued views are not "problems" and don't need fixing. Incorrect links from current revisions of en.wp articles might be the source of traffic, but more likely its links from external webpages or searches based on offline or unlinked mentions. Finally, remember that release dates and theatrical runs are not always the same everywhere - e.g. a film may have been released last month in the US but still be upcoming elsewhere. For example one of my earlier internet memories is chatting with an American and a Swiss person about Independence Day (1996 film) in circa mid-August of that year having just been to see it at the cinema (probably in its 2nd or 3rd week); the theatrical release in the US was over having been released on 4 July but it was not due for release until September in Switzerland. For an American searching it as "upcoming" would have been very unlikely, for a Brit a bit behind the times but not implausible, but it would be accurate for a Swiss searcher. Thryduulf (talk) 00:28, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete because it contains 2 errors and the error-free version exists. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:05, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
Tri-tert-butoxyaluminum hydride
[edit]- Tri-tert-butoxyaluminum hydride → Lithium aluminium hydride (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This item is redirected to Lithium aluminium hydride, which is a different conpound, that even does not contain tert-butyl groups; tri-tert-butoxyaluminum hydride does not contain lithium.--M97uzivatel (talk) 04:44, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment The full compound name is lithium tri-tert-butoxyaluminum hydride, which doesn't exist and is red at the current target. It is discussed at the target, but I agree that in general we should avoid redirects for compounds to articles about specific, different compounds. Mdewman6 (talk) 22:55, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom and Mdewman6, and unlink at Grob fragmentation so it doesn't remain a redlink. Jay 💬 17:38, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
"Loss"
[edit]thank chernobog those aren't apostrophes. on a less important note, is this unnatural enough to warrant deletion, and if it's not, should it be retargeted to loss? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:50, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep normally I'd support deleting these per WP:PANDORA but the article suggests that the term with quotes is common so seems sensible enough to keep on its own merits. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:33, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- REtarget to loss (disambiguation) -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 03:44, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- "Keep" or Retarget to loss (disambiguation) as my less preferred option. "Loss", specifically in quotes, does seem to have a primary target of this comic, and while the disambiguation page can get you there, it's far down the list and easily missable, particularly and especially if someone is searching this because they don't know what someone online is talking about when they put loss in quotes like this, which I would imagine is a major use case. If someone was not looking for this comic, I imagine they would remove the quotes and search again. Fieari (talk) 05:26, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
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- "Keep": seems common, and WP:SMALLDIFFERENCES makes it the primary target. Tag with {{r from stylization}}, I guess? Cremastra (talk) 11:51, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Though you could use the search box that way, by enclosing search terms in quotes; It would normally bring you straight to the non-quote-enclosed pagename -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 04:13, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per all. Jay 💬 09:54, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
Hard Cast
[edit]Hands-On Museum
[edit]Kingdom Hearts DS
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 24#Kingdom Hearts DS
Etelis coruscans
[edit]Brazilian and Portuguese varieties
[edit]Quadrachromic pencil
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 24#Quadrachromic pencil
Snowball clause
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 24#Snowball clause
Häxans förbannelser
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 23#Häxans förbannelser
Lithotomic
[edit]A!
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Template:MBTI Instrument
[edit]- Template:MBTI Instrument → Myers–Briggs Type Indicator (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Template:MBTI Archetypes → Myers–Briggs Type Indicator (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Template:MBTI Cognitive Functions → Myers–Briggs Type Indicator (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Template:Mtbi instrument → Myers–Briggs Type Indicator (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Three more template space redirects pointing to Myers–Briggs Type Indicator (added 12:40, 29 August 2024 (UTC))
- Template:MBTI Archetypes, was merged to Myers–Briggs Type Indicator
- Template:MBTI Cognitive Functions, was merged to ISTJ
- Template:Mtbi instrument, alias of Template:MBTI Instrument
A few years ago, this template became unused, and was redirected to the main MBTI article. Isn't the normal procedure for unused templates to be deleted? I don't see why one would do a redirect from template space to an article. 🤷 Paradoctor (talk) 01:45, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Do these need to be kept for attribution? --Un assiolo (talk) 15:35, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Restore and TfD? Jay 💬 11:24, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
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Black box (fiction)
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 27#Black box (fiction)
Multiplicity of a restricted root
[edit]- Multiplicity of a restricted root → Multiplicity (mathematics) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
"restricted root" is not mentioned at the target (and is only used a few times in the entire English Wikipedia's mainspace). 1234qwer1234qwer4 12:48, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Not into mathematics, but searching gave me Plancherel theorem for spherical functions#Harish-Chandra's Plancherel theorem that has "α is called a restricted root and is called its multiplicity." Jay 💬 13:01, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- That does seem like an appropriate target, it looks like I've overlooked it. 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:27, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- It's not really an appropriate target. A restricted root is an element of a root system of a semisimple Lie algebra, and its multiplicity is the dimension of the associated eigenspace. This has little to do with Harish-Chandra's theorem. I think Semisimple Lie algebra would be more appropriate. Tito Omburo (talk) 11:49, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- That does seem like an appropriate target, it looks like I've overlooked it. 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:27, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Semisimple Lie algebra as suggested by Tito Omburo. XOR'easter (talk) 23:22, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Go with Tito / XOR considering their edits are more mathematically inclined. Jay 💬 12:29, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
Hypeicane
[edit]Saint Boy
[edit]- Saint Boy → Modern pentathlon at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Women's (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention in the target article. Pelmeen10 (talk) 18:42, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Appears to be the name of a horse used by both Annika Schleu and Gulnaz Gubaydullina. It's mentioned at both of their articles, but I think search results are best as neither article has more info than the other. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 20:45, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and add that information to the article. If neither has more info than the other, then the appropriate place to link is the event page where both competitors are listed. --Habst (talk) 13:14, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- How can you vote "keep" if such info is not added? Info should come before redirect. Pelmeen10 (talk) 17:50, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Pelmeen10, redirect discussions are not votes; see WP:NOTAVOTE. I didn't just vote to keep, I am recommending to both keep and add the info to the article, not one without the other. I don't mind in which order it's done. --Habst (talk) 23:35, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- How can you vote "keep" if such info is not added? Info should come before redirect. Pelmeen10 (talk) 17:50, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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Delete per Presidentman, unless useful content is made available at the current target.Jay 💬 15:09, 13 August 2024 (UTC)- Struck, and added a section at the target. Jay 💬 16:12, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Annika Schleu#2020 Tokyo Olympics, which is where the horse is mentioned. According to the content there, that particular horse's performance and athlete Schleu's treatment of it were the catalyst for the decision to officially drop equestrian from the modern pentathlon. [56][57] The decision to drop equestrian from the sport is mentioned in the article Modern pentathlon, but not the horse itself. The horse will likely continue being mentioned in Annika Schleu because that is when/where/how the incident with the horse happened. If later the horse gets mentioned in Modern pentathlon, then the redirect can be changed. Until then, it should point to Annika Schleu#2020 Tokyo Olympics. The current target (Modern pentathlon at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Women's) is not the appropriate place. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 16:47, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Better yet, add {{Anchor|Saint Boy}} just under § 2020 Tokyo Olympics, and redirect to Annika Schleu#Saint Boy. That is how I would do it. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 16:51, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Why should it redirect to Annika Schleu and not Gulnaz Gubaydullina? Jay 💬 11:20, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Apparently, Schleu beat the horse, and her trainer punched it. Gubaydullina, who also rode that horse, had not abused it. The abuses led to questioning whether horses should even be part of pentathlons, ultimately leading to the decision to drop horse riding from the sport. This information is covered in the Annika Schleu article, not Gulnaz Gubaydullina. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 21:41, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks. It was not very clear when I read the Annika Schleu article. After your explanation, when I read it again, it became clear. I see there are some details in the trainer Kim Raisner's article which are not present in Annika Schleu. Jay 💬 07:52, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Apparently, Schleu beat the horse, and her trainer punched it. Gubaydullina, who also rode that horse, had not abused it. The abuses led to questioning whether horses should even be part of pentathlons, ultimately leading to the decision to drop horse riding from the sport. This information is covered in the Annika Schleu article, not Gulnaz Gubaydullina. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 21:41, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment: Seriously? It didn't need to be relisted. Can I just change it to point to Annika Schleu#2020 Tokyo Olympics? ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 02:34, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- That's not the current consensus. The ambiguity of the redirect seems to also leave deletion and retargeting to other locations as options. Thus, the relist ... need clearer consensus. Steel1943 (talk) 12:57, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- The best solution would be to have a summary of the incidents at the current target rather than just arbitrarily targeting one of the biographies where the horse is mentioned (Annika Schleu, Kim Raisner, Gulnaz Gubaydullina). -- Tavix (talk) 13:06, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Surely you mean Modern pentathlon § Replacement of riding with obstacle course racing and not the current target of Modern pentathlon at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Women's which has zero content about the horse, the riders or the incident! However, the details of Annika Schleu's involvement, including the mention of the horse's name, is irrelevant to the broader subject of removing riding from the pentathlon. So its location within article Annika Schleu is appropriate since that is the horse Schleu was sanctioned for abusing. The horse itself is not notable. I'm sure there's a redirect solely for when someone wants to search... "I remember something about a horse named Saint Boy in the pentathlon. What was that?" ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 16:01, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- No, I meant exactly what I said. The incidents regarding Saint Boy occurred during Modern pentathlon at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Women's, so there should be a write up at that page of what happened. I am aware that has not yet been added. -- Tavix (talk) 16:01, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep (or refine) now that the section has been written. Thanks Jay! -- Tavix (talk) 01:30, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Surely you mean Modern pentathlon § Replacement of riding with obstacle course racing and not the current target of Modern pentathlon at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Women's which has zero content about the horse, the riders or the incident! However, the details of Annika Schleu's involvement, including the mention of the horse's name, is irrelevant to the broader subject of removing riding from the pentathlon. So its location within article Annika Schleu is appropriate since that is the horse Schleu was sanctioned for abusing. The horse itself is not notable. I'm sure there's a redirect solely for when someone wants to search... "I remember something about a horse named Saint Boy in the pentathlon. What was that?" ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 16:01, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
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Retarget to Annika Schleu#2020 Tokyo Olympics or an anchor as suggested above by Grorp. If and when a section is added to Modern pentathlon at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Women's, which I agree probably should be done, then it can be retargeted there. I don't see any real ambiguity issues here as the incidents around Annika Schleu's treatment of Saint Boy are almost certainly why someone would be searching for him.A7V2 (talk) 11:11, 21 September 2024 (UTC)- Refine to the newly added Modern pentathlon at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Women's#Criticism of the Riding discipline, thanks to Jay. A7V2 (talk) 00:50, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Combined content from four articles and added section Modern pentathlon at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Women's#Criticism of the Riding discipline. Jay 💬 16:12, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I agree that the newly written section is a good target for this redirect. Former vote was also 'redirect', but to a different target; this one is better. Although I recommend using the "Saint Boy" anchor I put there to avoid future problems when someone changes that section heading. → Modern pentathlon at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Women's#Saint Boy ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 02:41, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
Minister for Cities
[edit]- Minister for Cities → Minister for Infrastructure, Transport, Regional Development and Local Government#List of ministers for cities (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Minister for cities → Cabinet Office#Ministers and Civil Servants (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not sure if this is the best target as Minister for Cities (Australia) exists - also not sure if that is the best title for that article either. I'm not familiar with the recent political cabinet reshuffling so there might be content forking between the current target and Minister for Cities (Australia). Fork99 (talk) 02:29, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Minister for Cities (Australia) since that article is no longer a redirect in and of itself. Aydoh8 (talk | contribs) 02:35, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- When I created the redirect (Minister for Cities), I wasn't aware that the Minister for Cities (Australia) page existed already. In that case, I am happy for the redirect to be deleted straight up or redirect to Minister for Cities (Australia). Marcnut1996 (talk) 03:32, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- I disagree – if that's the primary topic, it should be moved to the title "Minister for Cities", and if it's not the primary topic then "Minister for Cities" shouldn't redirect there. jlwoodwa (talk) 22:38, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Note I've added the lowercase Minister for cities redirect to this discussion as they should both lead to the same place. The target section of that redirect no longer mentions a minister for cities though. Thryduulf (talk) 09:07, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Set index this and similar titles seem to be created regularly in different parts of the world with none obviously primary. In a few minutes searching I found all the following:
- City Minister,
- Regional minister#Developments since 2010
- Minister for Planning (New South Wales)#Cities
- Minister for Cities (Australia)
- Minister for the Environment and Water (Australia)#List of ministers for cities and the built environment
- Angus Taylor (politician)#Assistant Minister for Cities and Digital Transformation
- Minister for Cities and Rural Areas (mentioned at Frederiksen II Cabinet#List of ministers)
- Minister for Cities, Urban Infrastructure and Population (mentioned at First Morrison ministry#Outer ministry
- Minister for cities and urban development (Cote D'Ivoire, mentioned at François Amichia)
- State Secretary for Cities (mentioned at Borne government#State Secretaries)
- Cabinet Secretary for Health, Wellbeing and Cities Strategy and a "Minister for cities" (mentioned at Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care (Scotland)
- (some might be duplicates, I've run out of time to sort and sanitise). Thryduulf (talk) 09:21, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate. The UK had a Minister from Cities from 2011-15, before the post was merged into other ministries, see Regional_minister#Developments_since_2010. The UK also has the similarly named City Minister (2008-present), which is actually responsible for the City of London financial district not cities, but could easily be confused. Thryduulf has found several other similarly named positions in other countries. So while the Australian post might be the extant position that most closely matches the exact redirect phrasing, it would be better if both capitalisations led to a Minister for Cities (disambiguation) page. Modest Genius talk 10:33, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- I suggest moving Minister for Cities (Australia) → Minister for Cities and moving Minister for Cities → Minister for Cities (disambiguation). The Australian portfolio (being extant) is the primary topic. --DilatoryRevolution (talk) 08:17, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate/set indexify per Thryduulf and Modest Genius. Term is too generic for a primary topic redirect to a specific position. C F A 💬 21:56, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Note: A requested move was made regarding these redirects and procedurally closed + no consensus because this discussion is ongoing; permalink: Special:Permalink/1240763459. Fork99 (talk) 10:16, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate. There is also a Ministry of Cities in Brazil. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:08, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Opinions seems split between creating a disambiguation page at the base title, or claiming Minister for Cities (Australia) is the primary topic. (Either way, seems a disambiguation page needs to be created somewhere ... but is that "somewhere" the base title or a title ending with "(disambiguation)"?)
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- Comment: Per CFA, I also think that the title is too ambiguous and generic to have a primary topic - the Australian one might be "extant" per DilatoryRevolution as of right now, but this could change in the future as political portfolios get shuffled around fairly often. Fork99 (talk) 07:34, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Disambiguate/setindexify at minister for cities; as WP:DIFFCAPS it should not redirect to the Australian topic in any case. A generic term and multiple non-Aussie uses; the lower case form would be appropriate for grouping in "secretary" etc. -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 21:18, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
Bīn
[edit]What the! Should redirect to Bin instead, surely. Remsense ‥ 诉 15:10, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- that's apparently a hanyu pinyin reading for... a bunch of old(?) chinese lemmas. i got nothing. delete cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:24, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- I imagine the Been rendering corresponds to another orthography, but it's simply not the best redirect I don't think. Remsense ‥ 诉 15:25, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- i think "been" would rely too much on one accent of one language in certain conditions, so i don't think that one would work either cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:31, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- I imagine the Been rendering corresponds to another orthography, but it's simply not the best redirect I don't think. Remsense ‥ 诉 15:25, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete or soft redirect. This is a transcription of multiple different Chinese characters that have meanings including "visitor, guest", "in a hurry", "today", "elegant, refined", "place", "sprinting, quick" and pronunciations including "wǎng", "bin", "bin", "ban", "pîn", "kǔn", "kwan" (both a far from complete lists). I'm not seeing any obvious primary topic in English. Thryduulf (talk) 16:05, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
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- This used to be a disambig page with entries of Pungi and Veena, and Shhhnotsoloud redirected it to the current target with
Redirect to other disambiguation page that contains all the entries
. Pungi does have this term in its lead. Jay 💬 11:27, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
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- REtarget to bin (disambiguation), and add any entries that are needed, such as pointed out by Jay -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 21:14, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
April 8, 2024 (Monday)
[edit]Casey Simpson
[edit]A?
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The five sauces
[edit]Living Marxism (US)
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Weaner
[edit]Dr. Paisley
[edit]Histionotophorus
[edit]Second attempted assassination of Donald Trump
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Donald Trump shooting
[edit]- Donald Trump shooting → Attempted assassination of Donald Trump (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Retarget to Security incidents involving Donald Trump as there have been multiple gun incidents concerning Donald Trump listed; which are listed in this suggested target article. There's the Pennsylvanian incident at Attempted assassination of Donald Trump (July) and the one from today in Florida Trump International Golf Club shooting (September) amongst other incidents -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 05:03, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep The Pennsylvania one is the clear primary topic. None of the other ones caused any injuries, and the golf one is the only other one that could even be called a shooting. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:28, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- I maintain that the Pennsylvania one is the primary topic for "Donald Trump shooting" since the Florida one was not a shooting. QuicoleJR (talk) 00:14, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as primary topic. C F A 💬 13:45, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as primary topic Ecpiandy (talk) 17:28, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep no others that are "shootings". Natg 19 (talk) 23:25, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Housekeeping note: I don't know how to do all of the paperwork for it, but there are a few other redirects that should probably be bundled into this discussion, namely Trump shooting and Shooting of Donald Trump. Left guide (talk) 01:01, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Left guide: You can use
{{subst:rfd2|multi=yes|redirect=RedirectName2|target=TargetArticle2}}
to add additional entries to this section. On the redirects, you need to use{{subst:rfd|1=< section header >|days=N|content= < redirect contents go here > }}
to place the RFD banner on those pages. The "N" parameter is how many days prior to today is the nomination located at. -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 22:40, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Left guide: You can use
- Revert to this version. I think suggesting common parlance is that the link goes to Attempted assassination of Donald Trump only two months after that incident is stretching what common parlance means. alternatively, would be fine with retargeting to Security incidents involving Donald Trump, especially if move discussion decides to merge the new article in. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 03:23, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Convert to a disambiguation page or retarget – as there have been multiple incidents with Donald Trump involving guns. Hurricane Clyde 🌀my talk page! 19:34, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- NOTE the original target was renamed. It is now at Attempted assassination of Donald Trump in Pennsylvania, showing editors there think their title was ambiguous. Attempted assassination of Donald Trump has itself become a disambiguation page. -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 22:26, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment To all people registering an opinion: @QuicoleJR, CFA, Ecpiandy, and Natg 19: To those who expressed that there is a primary topic in Pennsylvania, is that still the case with Pennsylvania no longer being the primary topic of "attempted assassination" ? @Bluethricecreamman and Hurricane Clyde: To those who expressed thoughts about disambiguation, should a separate disambiguation page be created? In my case, I still think that the new disambiguation page and this pagename should just redirect to the "security incidents" page -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 22:40, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- The current move closure is clearly going to be overturned because the closer voted in the discussion. I still believe that the July attempt is obviously the primary topic, but if a wider RM consensus determines there is no primary topic then I suppose this and all the other associated redirects should be redirected to the broad-concept article, Security incidents involving Donald Trump. C F A 💬 02:34, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- The closure was overturned as relist; so the article on the July Pennsylvania event returned to Attempted assassination of Donald Trump, though that can still change again, as it is an open move request. -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 02:00, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment To all people registering an opinion: @QuicoleJR, CFA, Ecpiandy, and Natg 19: To those who expressed that there is a primary topic in Pennsylvania, is that still the case with Pennsylvania no longer being the primary topic of "attempted assassination" ? @Bluethricecreamman and Hurricane Clyde: To those who expressed thoughts about disambiguation, should a separate disambiguation page be created? In my case, I still think that the new disambiguation page and this pagename should just redirect to the "security incidents" page -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 22:40, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Attempted assassination of Donald Trump (September 2024). The accused didn't do any shooting so the current title is misleading. And both of these incidents should be dismbiguated based on the date, not the location. --ZimZalaBim talk 02:54, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- The target at the time this "shooting" redirect discussion started was the July Pennsylvania incident, where Trump was shot in the ear, not the September Florida incident. The discussion above this one, about the "second attempted" redirect pointed to the September Florida incident. -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 03:03, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as primary topic per all above, regardless of the target retitling discussion. Jay 💬 18:10, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
Over by over
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